(11-28-2018 06:17 PM)otown Wrote:  For the love of GOD, the 4 losses must have made them (Texas AM) invisible to my CFP glance. Gotta love all these BS propped up 3 and 4 loss teams to make all the top 10 P5 teams appear to be powerhouses with all those ranked wins. Rinse and repeat this futile cycle.

Well, it's not just the CFP that has Texas A&M ranked. The AP has them ranked, the Coaches poll has them ranked, and the MC computers have them ranked.

Basically, the whole world has them in the top 25.

(11-28-2018 06:47 PM)TampaTom Wrote:  When a committee controls the rankings, citing number of ranked teams beaten is silly. UCF ought to have two ranked teams on their schedule...Cincinnati and Temple.

Except ... it's not just the CFP that doesn't have Cincy and Temple ranked, nobody I know of does. The AP doesn't, the Coaches don't, the computers don't.

Zippo.

(11-28-2018 06:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 06:17 PM)otown Wrote:  For the love of GOD, the 4 losses must have made them (Texas AM) invisible to my CFP glance. Gotta love all these BS propped up 3 and 4 loss teams to make all the top 10 P5 teams appear to be powerhouses with all those ranked wins. Rinse and repeat this futile cycle.

Well, it's not just the CFP that has Texas A&M ranked. The AP has them ranked, the Coaches poll has them ranked, and the MC computers have them ranked.

Basically, the whole world has them in the top 25.

Ok, I'll bite. Syracuse? Explain that one to me. What have they done to deserve to be ranked? Play Clemson close? Is that all it takes to be ranked with 3 losses?

Also, who did A&M play and beat outside of a 3 loss LSU and 3 loss Kentucky? Is that win enough to make up for 4 losses....some of them very bad?.

Also, point me in a direction where I can find SOS that only uses wins and bias of quality losses. I mean, shouldnt it only matter for the teams you actually beat?

(11-28-2018 06:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 06:47 PM)TampaTom Wrote:  When a committee controls the rankings, citing number of ranked teams beaten is silly. UCF ought to have two ranked teams on their schedule...Cincinnati and Temple.

Except ... it's not just the CFP that doesn't have Cincy and Temple ranked, nobody I know of does. The AP doesn't, the Coaches don't, the computers don't.

Zippo.

Committee fatigue? Naturally, the 4-loss teams being ranked over the 2/3 loss teams are steeped in their minds thanks to the CFP.

I cannot fathom Cincinnati being left out of the rankings. Temple is an argument, I cannot dispute that.

You do understand there are only 31 teams in all of FBS that have 3 losses. Of those 31, 5 are G5 teams with 3 losses. Probably aren't going to be ranked.

Also you say 3 loss LSU like that's bad. There are only right now 16 teams with fewer than 3 losses. So that's pretty damn good....

A&M also did beat Kentucky who is in the top 15. 2 top 15 wins isn't bad.

(11-28-2018 07:04 PM)TampaTom Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 06:51 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 06:47 PM)TampaTom Wrote:  When a committee controls the rankings, citing number of ranked teams beaten is silly. UCF ought to have two ranked teams on their schedule...Cincinnati and Temple.

Except ... it's not just the CFP that doesn't have Cincy and Temple ranked, nobody I know of does. The AP doesn't, the Coaches don't, the computers don't.

Zippo.

Committee fatigue? Naturally, the 4-loss teams being ranked over the 2/3 loss teams are steeped in their minds thanks to the CFP.

I cannot fathom Cincinnati being left out of the rankings. Temple is an argument, I cannot dispute that.

Problem with 'committee fatigue' is that the AP and Coaches come out before the CFP rankings do, so the former are far more likely to influence the latter than vice-versa. We saw that with Cincinnati - they were ranked first in the polls, then in the CFP.

And the computers don't get fatigued, they just spin away crunching numbers.

Cincy is close to being ranked. Maybe if some teams this week lose they will squeak back in the final Top 25.

Temple? They aren't in anyone's ballpark to be ranked.

(11-28-2018 06:58 PM)otown Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 06:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 06:17 PM)otown Wrote:  For the love of GOD, the 4 losses must have made them (Texas AM) invisible to my CFP glance. Gotta love all these BS propped up 3 and 4 loss teams to make all the top 10 P5 teams appear to be powerhouses with all those ranked wins. Rinse and repeat this futile cycle.

Well, it's not just the CFP that has Texas A&M ranked. The AP has them ranked, the Coaches poll has them ranked, and the MC computers have them ranked.

Basically, the whole world has them in the top 25.

Ok, I'll bite. Syracuse? Explain that one to me. What have they done to deserve to be ranked? Play Clemson close? Is that all it takes to be ranked with 3 losses?

Also, who did A&M play and beat outside of a 3 loss LSU and 3 loss Kentucky? Is that win enough to make up for 4 losses.

I didn't ask you anything about Syracuse, but i just checked and they are ranked by everyone - AP, Coaches, computers. Now yes, they do appear to be over-ranked by the humans. The computers have them at 23, not 18 like AP and coaches. But the consensus is they deserve to be ranked.

As for TAMU, as SteveR says, the have two wins over top 15 teams. That's very impressive, probably only a handful of teams can boast the same. As for their losses, we know two of them are to Alabama and Clemson - what are you going to do? If Alabama had played the LA Rams, NE Patriots, and Chicago Bears, they'd have three losses on their resume.

Look, nobody has TAMU very highly ranked. The committee has them at #19. You'd have a case if people were saying they belonged in the Top 10.

(11-28-2018 07:22 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 06:58 PM)otown Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 06:48 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 06:17 PM)otown Wrote:  For the love of GOD, the 4 losses must have made them (Texas AM) invisible to my CFP glance. Gotta love all these BS propped up 3 and 4 loss teams to make all the top 10 P5 teams appear to be powerhouses with all those ranked wins. Rinse and repeat this futile cycle.

Well, it's not just the CFP that has Texas A&M ranked. The AP has them ranked, the Coaches poll has them ranked, and the MC computers have them ranked.

Basically, the whole world has them in the top 25.

Ok, I'll bite. Syracuse? Explain that one to me. What have they done to deserve to be ranked? Play Clemson close? Is that all it takes to be ranked with 3 losses?

Also, who did A&M play and beat outside of a 3 loss LSU and 3 loss Kentucky? Is that win enough to make up for 4 losses.

I didn't ask you anything about Syracuse, but i just checked and they are ranked by everyone - AP, Coaches, computers. Now yes, they do appear to be over-ranked by the humans. The computers have them at 23, not 18 like AP and coaches. But the consensus is they deserve to be ranked.

As for TAMU, as SteveR says, the have two wins over top 15 teams. That's very impressive, probably only a handful of teams can boast the same. As for their losses, we know two of them are to Alabama and Clemson - what are you going to do? If Alabama had played the LA Rams, NE Patriots, and Chicago Bears, they'd have three losses on their resume.

Look, nobody has TAMU very highly ranked. The committee has them at #19. You'd have a case if people were saying they belonged in the Top 10.

Then help me with the SOS.....which dictates resumes...... all that the comittee talks about when making excuses to keep teams down and prop teams up. Where can I find the SOS based off of only teams you beat? I dont care about random computers using a crap load other datapoints. Simply let's take the bias out of SOS.....where can I find it? Can it be calculated?

(11-28-2018 06:04 PM)otown Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 05:51 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 02:09 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 01:50 PM)otown Wrote:  https://soft7sports.com/2018/11/27/blind-resume-season/

Cannot argue too much with this:

The Media is picking the big name schools based on solely their name alone, but if we closely decipher teams, I bet your top 4 isn’t who you think it is. In this, I will post the top 5 teams based on resume alone. Some fall into place, some are not expected.

Team 6: This team is 11-1 and has scored a total of 520 points and has allowed 310 points. They have played 2 ranked teams all season. They also rank 49th in strength of schedule. They have the nation’s 2nd best offense, averaging 543.9 yards per game. They have the nation’s 67th defense, allowing 398.8 yards per game and 25.8 points per game.

Team 5: This team is 12-0 and has scored a total of 405 points and allowed 207 points. They have played played 4 teams that are currently ranked. They also rank 61st in strength of schedule. They have the nation’s 27th best offense, averaging 456.1 yards per game. They have the nation’s 22nd defense, allowing 331.5 yards per game and 17.2 points per game.

Team 4: This team is 11-1 and has scored a total of 604 points and has allowed 391 points. They have played 3 ranked teams all season. They also rank 71st in strength of schedule. They have the nation’s top offense, averaging 583.8 yards per game. They have the nation’s 111th defense, allowing 449 yards per game and 32.8 points per game.

Team 3: This team is 12-0 and has scored a total of 547 points and allowed 277 points. They have played 1 team that is currently ranked (won by 31) and two teams that were previously ranked. They also rank 95th in strength of schedule. They have the nation’s 5th best offense, averaging 531.5 yards per game. They have the nation’s 77th best defense, allowing 409.1 yards per game and 21.4 points per game.

Team 2: This team is 12-0 and has scored a total 548 points and has allowed 168 points. They have played 1 ranked team all season. They also rank 79th in strength of schedule. They have the nation’s 3rd best offense, averaging 539.1 yards per game. They have the nation’s 7th best defense, allowing 283.2 yards per game and 14.6 points per game.

Team 1: This team is 12-0 and has scored a total of 644 points and has allowed only 165 points. They have played 4 current ranked teams. They also rank 35th in strength of schedule. They have the nation’s 4th best offense, averaging 538 yards per game. They have the nation’s 6th best defense, allowing 282.2 yards per game and an average of 13.5 points per game.

If you ask me, the Rankings should be (starting at #1):

1: Team 1 belongs here. They are undefeated and have scored the most points in the nation while allowing 2nd fewest points per game. Although they only have the 35th best SOS, they just seem to fit here. They also blow out every team they play.

2: Team 2. I almost put Team 3 here, but their defense being 77th worried me. Team 2 is a natural. They have allowed the 4th fewest points per game while scoring over 53 on average. They have both an unreal offense and defense, but their SOS is 79th so they fall to third.

3: Team 3. Team 3 is one of the most explosive teams out there. They have the 5th best offense which levels out their defense being 77th. They have only had two close games all year and are currently 12-0 with one more game to play. They are the third best team in the nation by their record and their skillset.

4: Team 4. Now, Team 5 seems to have a better résumé, but team 4 is a better team. They’re 11-1 but their one loss they can avenge next weekend. They have the nation’s best offense and most explosive. They would be a lot more fun to watch and they have played better competition than team 5.

5: Team 6. Team 6 has played one of the tougher schedules but I don’t have them in due to their defense and they had a bad, and I do mean horrible, loss. Their offense is fun to watch but their defense is quite horrible.

6: Team 5. Simple, they have played nobody and they are not fun to watch.

Team 1 = Alabama, Team 2= Clemson, Team 3= UCF, Team 4 = Oklahoma, Team 5= Notre Dame, Team 6= OSU

So Notre Dame, who has played more ranked opponents, has a higher strength of schedule and is also undefeated, should be swapped for a UCF, who has played only one ranked opponent and has a lower strength of schedule, because ND hasn't played anybody?

You're absolutely correct, you cannot argue this; it lacks any comprehension, understanding or logic.

Which of UCF's opponents this year is ranked?

By my count, the following teams with zero or one loss will, if they win this week, have wins over ranked teams as follows:

Alabama 5
Georgia 4
Notre Dame 3
Oklahoma 3
Ohio State 3
Clemson 2
UCF 0

The article was debunked. However, your bias ain't much better. You running UCF under different standards as the others? Why dont you list the current ranked teams that those teams beat. Spare me the ranked wins who end up with 4 or 5 losses at the end of the year. I dont have time to search all of them right now, but just looking at Clemson, their ranked win is against a 3 loss Syracuse. Who is the other team?

I'm sorry that you can't take the time to look them up. It took me about five minutes. For the record, it would have taken you all of one minute to see that Clemson's other win was against Texas A&M before shooting your mouth off about bias.

Ohio State's would be Michigan, Penn State and Northwestern. Oklahoma's are Texas, Iowa State and West Virginia. Shall I go on? I'm using the same standard for UCF as I am for everybody else. I didn't make up the rankings.

Two things can both be true

1- UCF’s schedule is lighter than any of the P5 contenders and it isn’t some conspiracy.

2- Unbeaten G5’s deserve a shot

(11-28-2018 06:47 PM)TampaTom Wrote:  When a committee controls the rankings, citing number of ranked teams beaten is silly. UCF ought to have two ranked teams on their schedule...Cincinnati and Temple.

Who the heck have they beaten? I knew Cincinnati was overrated, and proved it when they played UCF. The 2 teams they played with a pulse they lost both of them.

I would have a better argument for Temple if they didn’t have 4 losses, including 1 to a FCS team. Temple definitely has 2 better wins than Cincinnati does.

(11-28-2018 09:47 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Two things can both be true

1- UCF’s schedule is lighter than any of the P5 contenders and it isn’t some conspiracy.

2- Unbeaten G5’s deserve a shot

Why?

(11-28-2018 09:41 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 06:04 PM)otown Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 05:51 PM)ken d Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 02:09 PM)GoldenWarrior11 Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 01:50 PM)otown Wrote:  https://soft7sports.com/2018/11/27/blind-resume-season/

Cannot argue too much with this:

The Media is picking the big name schools based on solely their name alone, but if we closely decipher teams, I bet your top 4 isn’t who you think it is. In this, I will post the top 5 teams based on resume alone. Some fall into place, some are not expected.

Team 6: This team is 11-1 and has scored a total of 520 points and has allowed 310 points. They have played 2 ranked teams all season. They also rank 49th in strength of schedule. They have the nation’s 2nd best offense, averaging 543.9 yards per game. They have the nation’s 67th defense, allowing 398.8 yards per game and 25.8 points per game.

Team 5: This team is 12-0 and has scored a total of 405 points and allowed 207 points. They have played played 4 teams that are currently ranked. They also rank 61st in strength of schedule. They have the nation’s 27th best offense, averaging 456.1 yards per game. They have the nation’s 22nd defense, allowing 331.5 yards per game and 17.2 points per game.

Team 4: This team is 11-1 and has scored a total of 604 points and has allowed 391 points. They have played 3 ranked teams all season. They also rank 71st in strength of schedule. They have the nation’s top offense, averaging 583.8 yards per game. They have the nation’s 111th defense, allowing 449 yards per game and 32.8 points per game.

Team 3: This team is 12-0 and has scored a total of 547 points and allowed 277 points. They have played 1 team that is currently ranked (won by 31) and two teams that were previously ranked. They also rank 95th in strength of schedule. They have the nation’s 5th best offense, averaging 531.5 yards per game. They have the nation’s 77th best defense, allowing 409.1 yards per game and 21.4 points per game.

Team 2: This team is 12-0 and has scored a total 548 points and has allowed 168 points. They have played 1 ranked team all season. They also rank 79th in strength of schedule. They have the nation’s 3rd best offense, averaging 539.1 yards per game. They have the nation’s 7th best defense, allowing 283.2 yards per game and 14.6 points per game.

Team 1: This team is 12-0 and has scored a total of 644 points and has allowed only 165 points. They have played 4 current ranked teams. They also rank 35th in strength of schedule. They have the nation’s 4th best offense, averaging 538 yards per game. They have the nation’s 6th best defense, allowing 282.2 yards per game and an average of 13.5 points per game.

If you ask me, the Rankings should be (starting at #1):

1: Team 1 belongs here. They are undefeated and have scored the most points in the nation while allowing 2nd fewest points per game. Although they only have the 35th best SOS, they just seem to fit here. They also blow out every team they play.

2: Team 2. I almost put Team 3 here, but their defense being 77th worried me. Team 2 is a natural. They have allowed the 4th fewest points per game while scoring over 53 on average. They have both an unreal offense and defense, but their SOS is 79th so they fall to third.

3: Team 3. Team 3 is one of the most explosive teams out there. They have the 5th best offense which levels out their defense being 77th. They have only had two close games all year and are currently 12-0 with one more game to play. They are the third best team in the nation by their record and their skillset.

4: Team 4. Now, Team 5 seems to have a better résumé, but team 4 is a better team. They’re 11-1 but their one loss they can avenge next weekend. They have the nation’s best offense and most explosive. They would be a lot more fun to watch and they have played better competition than team 5.

5: Team 6. Team 6 has played one of the tougher schedules but I don’t have them in due to their defense and they had a bad, and I do mean horrible, loss. Their offense is fun to watch but their defense is quite horrible.

6: Team 5. Simple, they have played nobody and they are not fun to watch.

Team 1 = Alabama, Team 2= Clemson, Team 3= UCF, Team 4 = Oklahoma, Team 5= Notre Dame, Team 6= OSU

So Notre Dame, who has played more ranked opponents, has a higher strength of schedule and is also undefeated, should be swapped for a UCF, who has played only one ranked opponent and has a lower strength of schedule, because ND hasn't played anybody?

You're absolutely correct, you cannot argue this; it lacks any comprehension, understanding or logic.

Which of UCF's opponents this year is ranked?

By my count, the following teams with zero or one loss will, if they win this week, have wins over ranked teams as follows:

Alabama 5
Georgia 4
Notre Dame 3
Oklahoma 3
Ohio State 3
Clemson 2
UCF 0

The article was debunked. However, your bias ain't much better. You running UCF under different standards as the others? Why dont you list the current ranked teams that those teams beat. Spare me the ranked wins who end up with 4 or 5 losses at the end of the year. I dont have time to search all of them right now, but just looking at Clemson, their ranked win is against a 3 loss Syracuse. Who is the other team?

I'm sorry that you can't take the time to look them up. It took me about five minutes. For the record, it would have taken you all of one minute to see that Clemson's other win was against Texas A&M before shooting your mouth off about bias.

Ohio State's would be Michigan, Penn State and Northwestern. Oklahoma's are Texas, Iowa State and West Virginia. Shall I go on? I'm using the same standard for UCF as I am for everybody else. I didn't make up the rankings.

Well, honestly, I have no real problem with any of those current teams in front of UCF being there outside of Michigan. I do have a problem when you start taking multiple multiple loss teams and placing them in front of unbeaten teams.
The committee also is leaving 2 loss cincy out of the rankings. Tell me, since you seem to value every P5 team over the G5........ what have the 2 loss ranked MWC teams accomplished that have them ranked instead of cincy? Look at their wins individually. Seems to me that Cincy gets ignored so UCF has no real marquee win.
Lastly, since you seem to be such a bright lad that has no problems doing searches in 5 min, why dont you explain to me why SOS is used so much when it's a flawed system. Would you not agree that calculating SOS at the end of the season based off of the teams you actually beat instead of including ones you lost to would be a better data point to be used when one decides to go down the rabbit hole of ignoring losses and awarding quality losses?

(11-28-2018 10:36 PM)leofrog Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 06:47 PM)TampaTom Wrote:  When a committee controls the rankings, citing number of ranked teams beaten is silly. UCF ought to have two ranked teams on their schedule...Cincinnati and Temple.

Who the heck have they beaten? I knew Cincinnati was overrated, and proved it when they played UCF. The 2 teams they played with a pulse they lost both of them.

I would have a better argument for Temple if they didn’t have 4 losses, including 1 to a FCS team. Temple definitely has 2 better wins than Cincinnati does.

Fine. Compare apples to apples. Utah state being ranked last week. BSU and Fresno this week. What separates their record and teams they beat to cincy?

(11-28-2018 10:37 PM)leofrog Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 09:47 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Two things can both be true

1- UCF’s schedule is lighter than any of the P5 contenders and it isn’t some conspiracy.

2- Unbeaten G5’s deserve a shot

Why?

If you beat everyone you played you deserve a shot.

People want to “settle it on the field?” Then don’t exclude teams that completely handled their business on the field.

In college football scheduling is set by conference affiliation which teams can rarely control and noncon slates which are set years in advance. Punishing an unbeaten team for two things that are mostly out of its control is foolish.

(11-28-2018 10:50 PM)otown Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 10:36 PM)leofrog Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 06:47 PM)TampaTom Wrote:  When a committee controls the rankings, citing number of ranked teams beaten is silly. UCF ought to have two ranked teams on their schedule...Cincinnati and Temple.

Who the heck have they beaten? I knew Cincinnati was overrated, and proved it when they played UCF. The 2 teams they played with a pulse they lost both of them.

I would have a better argument for Temple if they didn’t have 4 losses, including 1 to a FCS team. Temple definitely has 2 better wins than Cincinnati does.

Fine. Compare apples to apples. Utah state being ranked last week. BSU and Fresno this week. What separates their record and teams they beat to cincy?

Boise St definitely has a better resume than Cincinnati. While their losses are to teams with worse records, they have the better wins. With the same record as Cincinnati, I would say Boise should be higher.

Fresno is much closer to Cincinnati, and I think it’s splitting hairs. I think on some days I could say Cincy is better, and some days Fresno is better.

(11-28-2018 10:37 PM)leofrog Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 09:47 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Two things can both be true

1- UCF’s schedule is lighter than any of the P5 contenders and it isn’t some conspiracy.

2- Unbeaten G5’s deserve a shot

Why?

Because until/unless they split the FBS into two different classes, then all of the teams should at least be able to control their own destinies. The Power 5 conferences already have the advantages baked in - they get the vast majority of the revenues, the automatic bowl bids and a guaranteed 8 games against the top-drawing teams in the country and when they deign to play a lowly G5 team, it's typically on the P5 teams terms. So with the deck already stacked, it's pretty fu(king pathetic that they insist undefeated G5 teams don't deserve a chance to compete since they systematically prevented them from proving they did deserve a chance.

USFFan

(11-28-2018 10:59 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 10:37 PM)leofrog Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 09:47 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Two things can both be true

1- UCF’s schedule is lighter than any of the P5 contenders and it isn’t some conspiracy.

2- Unbeaten G5’s deserve a shot

Why?

If you beat everyone you played you deserve a shot.

In a vacuum, I agree. However, the non-power conferences agreed to this process and I can’t honestly believe they didn’t know what they were agreeing to. Fans like ourselves can scream that’s its unfair but the conferences sold their souls.

(11-28-2018 10:59 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 10:37 PM)leofrog Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 09:47 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Two things can both be true

1- UCF’s schedule is lighter than any of the P5 contenders and it isn’t some conspiracy.

2- Unbeaten G5’s deserve a shot

Why?

If you beat everyone you played you deserve a shot.

That’s a stupid rule that I hope never gets implemented. Just because you beat everyone doesn’t make you 1 of the best. With a schedule of 12-13 games, that’s a small sample size to say an undefeated team definitely should be in the CFP.

(11-28-2018 11:03 PM)leofrog Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 10:59 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 10:37 PM)leofrog Wrote:  

(11-28-2018 09:47 PM)1845 Bear Wrote:  Two things can both be true

1- UCF’s schedule is lighter than any of the P5 contenders and it isn’t some conspiracy.

2- Unbeaten G5’s deserve a shot

Why?

If you beat everyone you played you deserve a shot.

That’s a stupid rule that I hope never gets implemented. Just because you beat everyone doesn’t make you 1 of the best. With a schedule of 12-13 games, that’s a small sample size to say an undefeated team definitely should be in the CFP.

You responded before my edit took effect where I elaborated on why.

1- They maybe don’t say they definitely should be in but they also provide the fewest reasons to say they shouldn’t- they didn’t lose.

2- You want it settled on the field so let the teams who handled business every week have a shot to prove it.

You want the best. So teams that have not given any reason to rule them out need a shot. You can’t hold a schedule they have little control over against them. League affiliation isn’t always up to them and noncon schedules are set years in advance. Four years ago UCLA won their division and they were crap this season. Washington State used to be horrible and is good now.

You want the best? Let the teams who prove it play. Expand the playoff and give them a shot