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(11-07-2018 09:37 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:01 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  Lol you guys can be ridiculous. Look at every basketball team that left the big east. Louisville, Syracuse, Notre Dame in ACC trash. UConn in this conference trash. Cronin’s kept us alive in a middling conference. First game of a young team with our best player out the whole first half. Relax. UC doesn’t have a penny hardaway waiting at the door who’s going to bring in 5 stars. And the one and done is going away soon anyways. Trash his offense all you want because it gets old but he is a very respectable coach.

Our best player wasn't hurt. He was out because our coach chose to sit him.

So stupid. That has to change He did it last year and it almost then the coo tournament. A three foul auto bench is ok but no way with two with this roster.

Honestly i hate the idea of fouling out that i wish they went six fouls for the game. Maybe balance that with a three foul first half dq.

(11-07-2018 09:43 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:38 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:37 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:01 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  Lol you guys can be ridiculous. Look at every basketball team that left the big east. Louisville, Syracuse, Notre Dame in ACC trash. UConn in this conference trash. Cronin’s kept us alive in a middling conference. First game of a young team with our best player out the whole first half. Relax. UC doesn’t have a penny hardaway waiting at the door who’s going to bring in 5 stars. And the one and done is going away soon anyways. Trash his offense all you want because it gets old but he is a very respectable coach.

Our best player wasn't hurt. He was out because our coach chose to sit him.

Didn’t say he was hurt he got 2 quick fouls.

He can play with two fouls. He played the entire second half with two fouls.

If Mick had the luxury to bench Cumberland then I would be fine with the 2 foul rule. But when he is the only scoring option you suck it up and play him.

(11-07-2018 09:46 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:43 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:38 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:37 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:01 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  Lol you guys can be ridiculous. Look at every basketball team that left the big east. Louisville, Syracuse, Notre Dame in ACC trash. UConn in this conference trash. Cronin’s kept us alive in a middling conference. First game of a young team with our best player out the whole first half. Relax. UC doesn’t have a penny hardaway waiting at the door who’s going to bring in 5 stars. And the one and done is going away soon anyways. Trash his offense all you want because it gets old but he is a very respectable coach.

Our best player wasn't hurt. He was out because our coach chose to sit him.

Didn’t say he was hurt he got 2 quick fouls.

He can play with two fouls. He played the entire second half with two fouls.

If Mick had the luxury to bench Cumberland then I would be fine with the 2 foul rule. But when he is the only scoring option you suck it up and play him.

7-17 just trash offense on the whole dam team.

(11-07-2018 09:01 PM)jarr Wrote:  Real quote

"If we gave up 27 in the second half we win the game,"

This is the best as i heard him preaching this in the post game. I told my buddy this is what he would say and he paid off in spades. Bohn's in a tough spot as he's going to be getting a lot of guff this year, and to his credit he was able to pull the renovation off which he deserves credit for. Unfortunately we have the Marvin Lewis basketball version in house. I'll take one shining example of why Mick will never win big ones, or get any further than what he's done the past 12 or 13 years. Trevor Moore. He came here last year as what Mick referred to as "the best pure shooter i've recruited". Others can confirm this quote, but i know i heard it from him. Two games in this year, this kid is not even looking for a perimeter shot, let alone looking to be an integral part of the offense. He's basically become a rat defender chasing the ball. Somebody has to score the ball. Tell me i'm wroing!

I’ve been waiting for 1 year and 1 game now for Moore to find that pure stroke.

(11-07-2018 09:59 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:46 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:43 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:38 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:37 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  Our best player wasn't hurt. He was out because our coach chose to sit him.

Didn’t say he was hurt he got 2 quick fouls.

He can play with two fouls. He played the entire second half with two fouls.

If Mick had the luxury to bench Cumberland then I would be fine with the 2 foul rule. But when he is the only scoring option you suck it up and play him.

7-17 just trash offense on the whole dam team.

If you take JC put of the equation (which Mick did for 15 minutes in the first half), the rest of the team shot 21% from the field and 17% from 3. Just on the basis of these kids having more than one Division 1 offer, they have to have a pulse on offense...but Mick never failed to crush any offensive potential lol.

Cant wait for us to rattle off 9-10 straight against the scrubs on our schedule, the Mick fans to come out with sunshine and roses, then look like dogshit again once we play even average competition, like clockwork every year.

(11-07-2018 10:16 PM)BearcatMan Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:59 PM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:46 PM)jarr Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:43 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:38 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  Didn’t say he was hurt he got 2 quick fouls.

He can play with two fouls. He played the entire second half with two fouls.

If Mick had the luxury to bench Cumberland then I would be fine with the 2 foul rule. But when he is the only scoring option you suck it up and play him.

7-17 just trash offense on the whole dam team.

If you take JC put of the equation (which Mick did for 15 minutes in the first half), the rest of the team shot 21% from the field and 17% from 3. Just on the basis of these kids having more than one Division 1 offer, they have to have a pulse on offense...but Mick never failed to crush any offensive potential lol.

Cant wait for us to rattle off 9-10 straight against the scrubs on our schedule, the Mick fans to come out with sunshine and roses, then look like dogshit against once we play even average competion, like clockwork every year.

yup

and the bigger question is, will we even get a chance at an early ncaa exit???

By the way in case you were wondering, Mick brought up lack of deflections in the post game as well. Clearly the problem.

The more interesting thing way before that is we have Nku on the schedule 12/4. I'm not sure this group with Mick at the helm will get by them(in the new arena!).

Sigh... I really want Mick Cronin to be our forever coach. I do believe he is a high-character guy who wants to do things the right way. But he can't recruit top tier talent and he's both not good enough of an offensive coach or open minded enough to change to ever elevate the program to the point of being a national title contender. I have no doubt he could coach here another 20 years and lead us to 15 NCAA tournaments, but will he ever sniff a Final Four with his lack of offensive acumen? I highly doubt it.

I still like Mick, and I really want it to work, but he had his chance last season and blew it as a result of a piss-poor coaching job in the tournament. Maybe it's not fair because this is, at best, his 5th- or 6th- most talented team, but I am calling for Sweet 16 or bust. We haven't gotten it done in the tournament and that is the minimum standard I am setting for him to keep his job. Will he keep his job if we lose in the first weekend? Or even if we miss the tournament? Of course. But if we don't advance to the 2nd weekend of the tournament this season, I am done supporting Mick.

I thought they lacked toughness on both ends. No Mick isnt going to be fired this week and he really has done a good job to a certain point but tonight looks like 2007 basketball. There is a good team on this roster but you have to play small and drive the ball. I really hope this isn’t the begging of the end of Mick’s tenure but if things don’t improve I wouldn’t be sad to move on.

On a sick note where are conference championship banners. The one thing UC has done really well in their history and it’s no where to be found.

(11-07-2018 09:41 PM)CallMeSlim Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:37 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:01 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  Lol you guys can be ridiculous. Look at every basketball team that left the big east. Louisville, Syracuse, Notre Dame in ACC trash. UConn in this conference trash. Cronin’s kept us alive in a middling conference. First game of a young team with our best player out the whole first half. Relax. UC doesn’t have a penny hardaway waiting at the door who’s going to bring in 5 stars. And the one and done is going away soon anyways. Trash his offense all you want because it gets old but he is a very respectable coach.

Our best player wasn't hurt. He was out because our coach chose to sit him.

have you ever seen a star player get benched after 1 foul before? that was a first for me.

I also thought it was 1 foul. According to the stat board in the arena tonight, he had 1 foul in the first half.
I'd be curious to see when he came out. Does anyone know? Was it after a foul, bad rotation or a foul?
Why was Cane out for so long? Logan provided a huge spark, but I would have subbed out Jennifer and got Cane in there sooner.

I wouldn't agree with you at all. They drove the ball many, many times tonight with little to no success. They guys driving the ball are not big enough to finish against div. 1 talent. I won't even get into the big guys ability to finish. Their best shot is to get out and run and hope to get to the ft line. In the half court right now they are dreadful.

(11-07-2018 10:19 PM)jarr Wrote:  By the way in case you were wondering, Mick brought up lack of deflections in the post game as well. Clearly the problem.

I would agree with that though. There was no defensive "pep" until Logan and company in the second half. The deflections got them back in the game. Offensive can also spark defense though, and Jarron could have done that (if we was in the game).

Also defensive breakdowns led to 3 - 4 wide open three's (to be expected with this rebuild year though I suppose).

wow...seriously, I thought about not looking at any posts until tomorrow, but come on ....we are a winey bunch of sour grapes here...

I think this team turns it around - if anything, I think Logan Johnson is going to be hella fun to watch over the next couple of years.

It's a tough start to the season, but wouldn't you rather have the team tested at the beginning then to find out at X that things aren't as rosey as they seem?

Fun 2nd half to watch (I didn't get to watch the first half, due to other obligations). The arena seems awesome and it was a great way to showcase the new arena on TV. We certainly looked "Big Time" on ESPN.

I still hate the Ohio State though...hopefully another game is scheduled again in the future, beyond the return game. Could be a fun annual rivalry if OSU ever would own up to it.

Hopefully BDF and Co. put it to them next year in football!

(11-07-2018 10:34 PM)robertfoshizzle Wrote:  Sigh... I really want Mick Cronin to be our forever coach. I do believe he is a high-character guy who wants to do things the right way. But he can't recruit top tier talent and he's both not good enough of an offensive coach or open minded enough to change to ever elevate the program to the point of being a national title contender. I have no doubt he could coach here another 20 years and lead us to 15 NCAA tournaments, but will he ever sniff a Final Four with his lack of offensive acumen? I highly doubt it.

I still like Mick, and I really want it to work, but he had his chance last season and blew it as a result of a piss-poor coaching job in the tournament. Maybe it's not fair because this is, at best, his 5th- or 6th- most talented team, but I am calling for Sweet 16 or bust. We haven't gotten it done in the tournament and that is the minimum standard I am setting for him to keep his job. Will he keep his job if we lose in the first weekend? Or even if we miss the tournament? Of course. But if we don't advance to the 2nd weekend of the tournament this season, I am done supporting Mick.

Sweet 16 or bust? With this group? Mick says tournament results are for recruiting and don't really matter anyway.

(11-07-2018 10:43 PM)ZCat Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:41 PM)CallMeSlim Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:37 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:01 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  Lol you guys can be ridiculous. Look at every basketball team that left the big east. Louisville, Syracuse, Notre Dame in ACC trash. UConn in this conference trash. Cronin’s kept us alive in a middling conference. First game of a young team with our best player out the whole first half. Relax. UC doesn’t have a penny hardaway waiting at the door who’s going to bring in 5 stars. And the one and done is going away soon anyways. Trash his offense all you want because it gets old but he is a very respectable coach.

Our best player wasn't hurt. He was out because our coach chose to sit him.

have you ever seen a star player get benched after 1 foul before? that was a first for me.

I also thought it was 1 foul. According to the stat board in the arena tonight, he had 1 foul in the first half.
I'd be curious to see when he came out. Does anyone know? Was it after a foul, bad rotation or a foul?
Why was Cane out for so long? Logan provided a huge spark, but I would have subbed out Jennifer and got Cane in there sooner.

He got called at about the 18 minute mark for his first foul and sat down till about the 10 minute mark. At about 8:30 he sat after his second foul.

(11-07-2018 10:43 PM)ZCat Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:41 PM)CallMeSlim Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:37 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:01 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  Lol you guys can be ridiculous. Look at every basketball team that left the big east. Louisville, Syracuse, Notre Dame in ACC trash. UConn in this conference trash. Cronin’s kept us alive in a middling conference. First game of a young team with our best player out the whole first half. Relax. UC doesn’t have a penny hardaway waiting at the door who’s going to bring in 5 stars. And the one and done is going away soon anyways. Trash his offense all you want because it gets old but he is a very respectable coach.

Our best player wasn't hurt. He was out because our coach chose to sit him.

have you ever seen a star player get benched after 1 foul before? that was a first for me.

I also thought it was 1 foul. According to the stat board in the arena tonight, he had 1 foul in the first half.
I'd be curious to see when he came out. Does anyone know? Was it after a foul, bad rotation or a foul?
Why was Cane out for so long? Logan provided a huge spark, but I would have subbed out Jennifer and got Cane in there sooner.

he had 2 fouls in the first but he was immediately pulled after his first foul very early in the game and sat for a while before coming in and picking up another quick one.

ive never seen a coach pull the star player less than 2 minutes in after picking up 1 foul.

(11-07-2018 11:25 PM)CallMeSlim Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 10:43 PM)ZCat Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:41 PM)CallMeSlim Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:37 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:01 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  Lol you guys can be ridiculous. Look at every basketball team that left the big east. Louisville, Syracuse, Notre Dame in ACC trash. UConn in this conference trash. Cronin’s kept us alive in a middling conference. First game of a young team with our best player out the whole first half. Relax. UC doesn’t have a penny hardaway waiting at the door who’s going to bring in 5 stars. And the one and done is going away soon anyways. Trash his offense all you want because it gets old but he is a very respectable coach.

Our best player wasn't hurt. He was out because our coach chose to sit him.

have you ever seen a star player get benched after 1 foul before? that was a first for me.

I also thought it was 1 foul. According to the stat board in the arena tonight, he had 1 foul in the first half.
I'd be curious to see when he came out. Does anyone know? Was it after a foul, bad rotation or a foul?
Why was Cane out for so long? Logan provided a huge spark, but I would have subbed out Jennifer and got Cane in there sooner.

he had 2 fouls in the first but he was immediately pulled after his first foul very early in the game and sat for a while before coming in and picking up another quick one.

ive never seen a coach pull the star player less than 2 minutes in after picking up 1 foul.

Well… Now you have. We may experience a lot of interesting things this year. Sigh

(11-07-2018 09:43 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:38 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:37 PM)bearcatmark Wrote:  

(11-07-2018 09:01 PM)natibeast21 Wrote:  Lol you guys can be ridiculous. Look at every basketball team that left the big east. Louisville, Syracuse, Notre Dame in ACC trash. UConn in this conference trash. Cronin’s kept us alive in a middling conference. First game of a young team with our best player out the whole first half. Relax. UC doesn’t have a penny hardaway waiting at the door who’s going to bring in 5 stars. And the one and done is going away soon anyways. Trash his offense all you want because it gets old but he is a very respectable coach.

Our best player wasn't hurt. He was out because our coach chose to sit him.

Didn’t say he was hurt he got 2 quick fouls.

He can play with two fouls. He played the entire second half with two fouls.

Not gonna take a dog in this fight cause I'm pissed, but Mick made the exact opposite decision vs Nevada and got drilled for it.