(10-10-2018 01:41 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 12:40 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 12:27 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 10:57 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 09:34 AM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  If the divide is between Tyner camp and Stankavage camp, I will just note that JT has been there several years and been a loyal teammate, while Stank is the new guy.

I doubt anyone cares about that if you’re winning. Playmakers just want someone who can get the ball in their hands whether they’ve been at Rice for 1 year or 3.

IF you're winning.

But when you are losing, and the coach is not giving the guy you've known for years a fair chance....

Who isn’t getting a fair chance? Tyner and Stank split reps all the way from spring through game 1. Unless you know something we don’t (highly doubtful) let’s not go throwing statements like that out here.

Whether or not you or I think Tyner has had a fair shot, it doesn't mean that Tyner's friends on the team concur.

Where are you getting this idea that the locker room is split between Tyner and Stankavage? Did you just make it up a few posts ago?

Bloomgren mentioned that Marshman has played some special teams already...? Is that as a holder or something else. I wonder how much speed he has. Ran track in high school and rushed for 10 TDs his senior season. Does anybody have a scouting report on him based on practices? I'm hoping his arm is at least at the same level as Stank. At 5'11 and from a prep school, I can see why he's a walk on, but maybe an under the radar guy who can develop into a serviceable QB.

(10-10-2018 12:51 PM)chrisc Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 12:39 PM)Gravy Owl Wrote:  I don’t know if the Weird Owl is something this staff is interested in.

Freudian slip? Or our newest strategy?

I never thought “wild owl” was quite right. Or maybe it is: the lack of novelty in that name reflects Rice’s us-too implementation of the concept.

(10-10-2018 01:55 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 01:41 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 12:40 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 12:27 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 10:57 AM)cr11owl Wrote:  I doubt anyone cares about that if you’re winning. Playmakers just want someone who can get the ball in their hands whether they’ve been at Rice for 1 year or 3.

IF you're winning.

But when you are losing, and the coach is not giving the guy you've known for years a fair chance....

Who isn’t getting a fair chance? Tyner and Stank split reps all the way from spring through game 1. Unless you know something we don’t (highly doubtful) let’s not go throwing statements like that out here.

Whether or not you or I think Tyner has had a fair shot, it doesn't mean that Tyner's friends on the team concur.

Where are you getting this idea that the locker room is split between Tyner and Stankavage? Did you just make it up a few posts ago?

Nope, but thanks for the vote. I got it from post #48.

(10-10-2018 03:41 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 01:55 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 01:41 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 12:40 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 12:27 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  IF you're winning.

But when you are losing, and the coach is not giving the guy you've known for years a fair chance....

Who isn’t getting a fair chance? Tyner and Stank split reps all the way from spring through game 1. Unless you know something we don’t (highly doubtful) let’s not go throwing statements like that out here.

Whether or not you or I think Tyner has had a fair shot, it doesn't mean that Tyner's friends on the team concur.

Where are you getting this idea that the locker room is split between Tyner and Stankavage? Did you just make it up a few posts ago?

Nope, but thanks for the vote. I got it from post #48.

Players want a QB that can play the position... Someone that will give them a chance. SS and JT are at the same leadership and playing level. JT may have more friends but seriously doubt they are calling for the coaches to put/keep him in the game. Coaches think SS is still the best choice but like I posted last week if he plays bad, which he did, call for a change. Seems like the change is Marshman, although not full time. JT had a chance last week, sure he will get another, but he mentally struggled. We know he has a big arm, but he has major accuracy problems. he did throw a dime, UH, game that extended his #2 slot. Sounds like SS will start and I assume UAB will try to get to him quick.

(10-10-2018 12:39 PM)Gravy Owl Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 09:38 AM)mrbig Wrote:  In high school, Aston Walter was 389/621 (63%) for 5859 yards, 62 TD, and 20 INT. Some of that success was throwing short passes to Austin who churned a lot of yards after catch. His senior year, Aston was 142/222 (64%) for 2301 yards with 31 TD and only 3 INT.

I'd be interested in seeing what Aston could do as a wildowl-type QB who threw more than usual. But I would have been more interested in seeing that approach from Day 1 if the coaching staff didn't have enough confidence in Stankavage, Tyner, et al. Aston is a RS Senior and Rice has quickly gotten to the point where preparing for 2019 takes precedence over winning in 2018. So from that standpoint, starting to mix in Aston at QB might not be the best use of snaps. By the same token, if such a change could help the team win 2 or 3 games down the stretch, that might help in recruiting and messaging to offset the lost snaps for players that would be at Rice in 2019 and beyond.

I don’t know if the Weird Owl is something this staff is interested in. I am not a big fan, especially when the base offense evidently needs as much practice time as it can get. It worked when Rice had Casey, not so much since.

Aston Walter may end up being one of the most underutilized Rice players of all time. Austin, though he has gotten more PT, might not be far behind..

The last comment is the key to my position. One of the best athletes on the team with very few touches...

I'm not a huge fan of the wild owl only because it isn't our regular offense....

but our regular offense is a run first, run second, throw when you must and do so not well offense... so I'd make the wild owl mu current offense.... somewhat as Mr Big suggests.

And I don't disagree that we may be playing for 2019 already... BUT part of playing for 2019 is learning to beat people when you're not better. That way you're not just playing for 2019 (be competitive in CUSA) but for 2020 (WIN CUSA and be competitive with some of p5)

If the current QBs aren't doing that and the guys behind them need more seasoning or weren't 'enough better' to think about stripping the redshirt already (and given what I've heard, they MAY be now) then I'd still go this way.

I'd give the guys we haven't see 4 games, maybe in a rotation... maybe splitting the remaining games... so they can still red-shirt. I don't see that getting snaps in 6 games is significantly better than 4, especially if it means you get another year... and there is value in being able to watch some from the sidelines and then 'go do'.

To me, Aston would run our recent offense... but the roll-outs would be RPOs, the scrambles would be more productive, the reads would be a real option. QB draw now a real threat... call the long out throw less often. I'm good with that.

I hope I never see Tyner at QB again. He's not a QB. That young man needs to be a big special teams player and a TE. He has never excelled at quarterback, no matter the coach or system.

(10-10-2018 03:41 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 01:55 PM)Frizzy Owl Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 01:41 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 12:40 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 12:27 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  IF you're winning.

But when you are losing, and the coach is not giving the guy you've known for years a fair chance....

Who isn’t getting a fair chance? Tyner and Stank split reps all the way from spring through game 1. Unless you know something we don’t (highly doubtful) let’s not go throwing statements like that out here.

Whether or not you or I think Tyner has had a fair shot, it doesn't mean that Tyner's friends on the team concur.

Where are you getting this idea that the locker room is split between Tyner and Stankavage? Did you just make it up a few posts ago?

Nope, but thanks for the vote. I got it from post #48.

Which is my post, but my note wasn't focused just on this year. IMO, it's been a problem for a while, at least while the QB carousel seems to be going on. I honestly have seen like 2 halves of Rice football this year, so I really don't have anything to really go on for this year, beyond a general lack of energy and enthusiasm (particularly that WF game that got out of hand quickly). But it certainly has the feel of a team that isn't all rowing in the same direction (to mix metaphors) for a while now.

Losing a lot will do that. I will acknowledge that.

(10-10-2018 05:51 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I hope I never see Tyner at QB again. He's not a QB. That young man needs to be a big special teams player and a TE. He has never excelled at quarterback, no matter the coach or system.

A little over the top! He wasn't this big when he was recruited, I think his weight makes him a better fit for TE...it happens

(10-11-2018 09:08 AM)Hank16 Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 05:51 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I hope I never see Tyner at QB again. He's not a QB. That young man needs to be a big special teams player and a TE. He has never excelled at quarterback, no matter the coach or system.

A little over the top! He wasn't this big when he was recruited, I think his weight makes him a better fit for TE...it happens

I would love to see Jackson in the role of Wildcat - short yardage QB and TE. Take advantage of that big frame and run behind his pads. There is a guy working for Major Applewhite at UH that could help with that transition.

(10-11-2018 09:20 AM)Pan95 Wrote:  

(10-11-2018 09:08 AM)Hank16 Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 05:51 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I hope I never see Tyner at QB again. He's not a QB. That young man needs to be a big special teams player and a TE. He has never excelled at quarterback, no matter the coach or system.

A little over the top! He wasn't this big when he was recruited, I think his weight makes him a better fit for TE...it happens

I would love to see Jackson in the role of Wildcat - short yardage QB and TE. Take advantage of that big frame and run behind his pads. There is a guy working for Major Applewhite at UH that could help with that transition.

TJ is bigger than Tyrone Swoopes former UT QB (the 18 Wheeler) who now plays TE for Seattle... I like your idea. Could have used that package in HI game. TJ could be the Night Owl Express!

(10-11-2018 02:47 PM)Hank16 Wrote:  

(10-11-2018 09:20 AM)Pan95 Wrote:  

(10-11-2018 09:08 AM)Hank16 Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 05:51 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I hope I never see Tyner at QB again. He's not a QB. That young man needs to be a big special teams player and a TE. He has never excelled at quarterback, no matter the coach or system.

A little over the top! He wasn't this big when he was recruited, I think his weight makes him a better fit for TE...it happens

I would love to see Jackson in the role of Wildcat - short yardage QB and TE. Take advantage of that big frame and run behind his pads. There is a guy working for Major Applewhite at UH that could help with that transition.

TJ is bigger than Tyrone Swoopes former UT QB (the 18 Wheeler) who now plays TE for Seattle... I like your idea. Could have used that package in HI game. TJ could be the Night Owl Express!

Let's not forget that we have the seldom-used TE Myers, who's got some heft, and can catch

(10-11-2018 03:00 PM)Intellectual_Brutality Wrote:  

(10-11-2018 02:47 PM)Hank16 Wrote:  

(10-11-2018 09:20 AM)Pan95 Wrote:  

(10-11-2018 09:08 AM)Hank16 Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 05:51 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I hope I never see Tyner at QB again. He's not a QB. That young man needs to be a big special teams player and a TE. He has never excelled at quarterback, no matter the coach or system.

A little over the top! He wasn't this big when he was recruited, I think his weight makes him a better fit for TE...it happens

I would love to see Jackson in the role of Wildcat - short yardage QB and TE. Take advantage of that big frame and run behind his pads. There is a guy working for Major Applewhite at UH that could help with that transition.

TJ is bigger than Tyrone Swoopes former UT QB (the 18 Wheeler) who now plays TE for Seattle... I like your idea. Could have used that package in HI game. TJ could be the Night Owl Express!

Let's not forget that we have the seldom-used TE Myers, who's got some heft, and can catch

Tyner has two catches and one for a TD at Rice. He’s 100% when targeted. Lol

(10-11-2018 03:00 PM)Intellectual_Brutality Wrote:  

(10-11-2018 02:47 PM)Hank16 Wrote:  

(10-11-2018 09:20 AM)Pan95 Wrote:  

(10-11-2018 09:08 AM)Hank16 Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 05:51 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I hope I never see Tyner at QB again. He's not a QB. That young man needs to be a big special teams player and a TE. He has never excelled at quarterback, no matter the coach or system.

A little over the top! He wasn't this big when he was recruited, I think his weight makes him a better fit for TE...it happens

I would love to see Jackson in the role of Wildcat - short yardage QB and TE. Take advantage of that big frame and run behind his pads. There is a guy working for Major Applewhite at UH that could help with that transition.

TJ is bigger than Tyrone Swoopes former UT QB (the 18 Wheeler) who now plays TE for Seattle... I like your idea. Could have used that package in HI game. TJ could be the Night Owl Express!

Let's not forget that we have the seldom-used TE Myers, who's got some heft, and can catch

Myers has been dinged up, I think.

(10-10-2018 03:15 PM)Gravy Owl Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 12:51 PM)chrisc Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 12:39 PM)Gravy Owl Wrote:  I don’t know if the Weird Owl is something this staff is interested in.

Freudian slip? Or our newest strategy?

I never thought “wild owl” was quite right. Or maybe it is: the lack of novelty in that name reflects Rice’s us-too implementation of the concept.

If we call our regular offense the weird owl, with stank at QB, that would be Weird Owl Stakavage

(10-12-2018 04:26 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 03:15 PM)Gravy Owl Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 12:51 PM)chrisc Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 12:39 PM)Gravy Owl Wrote:  I don’t know if the Weird Owl is something this staff is interested in.

Freudian slip? Or our newest strategy?

I never thought “wild owl” was quite right. Or maybe it is: the lack of novelty in that name reflects Rice’s us-too implementation of the concept.

If we call our regular offense the weird owl, with stank at QB, that would be Weird Owl Stakavage

lmao good job hambone.....

(10-12-2018 04:26 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 03:15 PM)Gravy Owl Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 12:51 PM)chrisc Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 12:39 PM)Gravy Owl Wrote:  I don’t know if the Weird Owl is something this staff is interested in.

Freudian slip? Or our newest strategy?

I never thought “wild owl” was quite right. Or maybe it is: the lack of novelty in that name reflects Rice’s us-too implementation of the concept.

If we call our regular offense the weird owl, with stank at QB, that would be Weird Owl Stakavage

Winner!

(10-12-2018 04:26 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 03:15 PM)Gravy Owl Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 12:51 PM)chrisc Wrote:  

(10-10-2018 12:39 PM)Gravy Owl Wrote:  I don’t know if the Weird Owl is something this staff is interested in.

Freudian slip? Or our newest strategy?

I never thought “wild owl” was quite right. Or maybe it is: the lack of novelty in that name reflects Rice’s us-too implementation of the concept.

If we call our regular offense the weird owl, with stank at QB, that would be Weird Owl Stakavage

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