(09-10-2018 01:17 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 10:38 AM)Kayjay Wrote:  Interesting FBS Stats after 3 games

Category: (Rank)

Rice Offense:
Yards Per game: 442 (40th)
Rushing Yards per game: 147 (76th)
Passing yards per game: 295.5 (29th)
Points Per game: 29.0 (80th)

Defense:
Yards Per Game: 526 (112th)
Rushing Yards: 206.5 (93)
Passing Yards: 319.5 (108)
Points Per Game: 44 (113th)

Penalties Per Game: 6 for 55 ypg. (45th)

In each case the defense is trending worse than last year's statistics while the offense is much better statistically. Much of the defensive anomaly is likely attributed to playing the two high scoring offenses of UHouston and UHawaii respectively. I believe we will see the defensive numbers improve throughout the season.

I am still concerned that the new coaching staff has not been successful in reducing the average number of penalties from last year. In fact, last year's team averaged 4.4 penalties per game while this year the team has experienced 5.5 penalties a game. I would have bet that the type of discipline and culture that Coach Bloomgren and his staff have been preaching would be seen in a lower number of penalties. For example, Navy is averaging 1.5 penalties a game and Kansas State averages 2.0 a game year-to-date. I would want to see this team averaging between 3 and 3.5 penalties a game in the future.

Hmmm....interesting

It looks like passing yards lead running yards 2-1
Who knew passing was that important

Especially for a team that "Pounds the rock".

(09-10-2018 01:24 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 01:17 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 10:38 AM)Kayjay Wrote:  Interesting FBS Stats after 3 games

Category: (Rank)

Rice Offense:
Yards Per game: 442 (40th)
Rushing Yards per game: 147 (76th)
Passing yards per game: 295.5 (29th)
Points Per game: 29.0 (80th)

Defense:
Yards Per Game: 526 (112th)
Rushing Yards: 206.5 (93)
Passing Yards: 319.5 (108)
Points Per Game: 44 (113th)

Penalties Per Game: 6 for 55 ypg. (45th)

In each case the defense is trending worse than last year's statistics while the offense is much better statistically. Much of the defensive anomaly is likely attributed to playing the two high scoring offenses of UHouston and UHawaii respectively. I believe we will see the defensive numbers improve throughout the season.

I am still concerned that the new coaching staff has not been successful in reducing the average number of penalties from last year. In fact, last year's team averaged 4.4 penalties per game while this year the team has experienced 5.5 penalties a game. I would have bet that the type of discipline and culture that Coach Bloomgren and his staff have been preaching would be seen in a lower number of penalties. For example, Navy is averaging 1.5 penalties a game and Kansas State averages 2.0 a game year-to-date. I would want to see this team averaging between 3 and 3.5 penalties a game in the future.

Hmmm....interesting

It looks like passing yards lead running yards 2-1
Who knew passing was that important

Especially for a team that "Pounds the rock".

Shhh. Don't say that out loud.

(09-10-2018 01:24 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 01:17 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 10:38 AM)Kayjay Wrote:  Interesting FBS Stats after 3 games

Category: (Rank)

Rice Offense:
Yards Per game: 442 (40th)
Rushing Yards per game: 147 (76th)
Passing yards per game: 295.5 (29th)
Points Per game: 29.0 (80th)

Defense:
Yards Per Game: 526 (112th)
Rushing Yards: 206.5 (93)
Passing Yards: 319.5 (108)
Points Per Game: 44 (113th)

Penalties Per Game: 6 for 55 ypg. (45th)

In each case the defense is trending worse than last year's statistics while the offense is much better statistically. Much of the defensive anomaly is likely attributed to playing the two high scoring offenses of UHouston and UHawaii respectively. I believe we will see the defensive numbers improve throughout the season.

I am still concerned that the new coaching staff has not been successful in reducing the average number of penalties from last year. In fact, last year's team averaged 4.4 penalties per game while this year the team has experienced 5.5 penalties a game. I would have bet that the type of discipline and culture that Coach Bloomgren and his staff have been preaching would be seen in a lower number of penalties. For example, Navy is averaging 1.5 penalties a game and Kansas State averages 2.0 a game year-to-date. I would want to see this team averaging between 3 and 3.5 penalties a game in the future.

Hmmm....interesting

It looks like passing yards lead running yards 2-1
Who knew passing was that important

Especially for a team that "Pounds the rock".

Bloom didn't say "and never throw the rock". Pounding the rock gets a lot easier if the opposing secondary has to respect the pass.

(09-10-2018 12:12 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  All penalties are not equal. I’d take 4 offsides over 3 PIs or unnecessary roughness calls everyday.

Sure I’d like less but I can think of a few this year already I disagreed with (PI against Calderon). And we haven’t done anything boneheaded like lose our temper and get a personal foul.

I disagree. While the 3 PIs would certainly be worse than the 4 offsides penalties from a yardage standpoint, I would be extremely concerned about the coaching if the team is committing a bunch of offsides or false starts. We know our secondary isn't the best, so if they commit some PIs playing aggressively, I can live with that.

(09-10-2018 02:29 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 12:12 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  All penalties are not equal. I’d take 4 offsides over 3 PIs or unnecessary roughness calls everyday.

Sure I’d like less but I can think of a few this year already I disagreed with (PI against Calderon). And we haven’t done anything boneheaded like lose our temper and get a personal foul.

I disagree. While the 3 PIs would certainly be worse than the 4 offsides penalties from a yardage standpoint, I would be extremely concerned about the coaching if the team is committing a bunch of offsides or false starts. We know our secondary isn't the best, so if they commit some PIs playing aggressively, I can live with that.

Offsides can also be caused by aggressiveness but that’s not the point I’m going for. Basically I haven’t seen anything that concerns me yet penalty wise. We aren’t making a bunch of stupid costly penalties so far. I can only recall 1 drive (against Hawaii) where penalties derailed us. Let’s aim for 0 though.

There really are no concerns at this point.... Evidenced by the fact that most of the people commenting here actually tuned in to the game.... which started at 11PM... and could only be seen on a phone... Many of the same people here now would tune out after the first half of the first quarter a season ago... Zero concerns... Upward trend line. Coached up group of kids... sit back and enjoy the ascent.

(09-10-2018 02:04 PM)Tomball Owl Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 01:24 PM)OptimisticOwl Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 01:17 PM)ruowls Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 10:38 AM)Kayjay Wrote:  Interesting FBS Stats after 3 games

Category: (Rank)

Rice Offense:
Yards Per game: 442 (40th)
Rushing Yards per game: 147 (76th)
Passing yards per game: 295.5 (29th)
Points Per game: 29.0 (80th)

Defense:
Yards Per Game: 526 (112th)
Rushing Yards: 206.5 (93)
Passing Yards: 319.5 (108)
Points Per Game: 44 (113th)

Penalties Per Game: 6 for 55 ypg. (45th)

In each case the defense is trending worse than last year's statistics while the offense is much better statistically. Much of the defensive anomaly is likely attributed to playing the two high scoring offenses of UHouston and UHawaii respectively. I believe we will see the defensive numbers improve throughout the season.

I am still concerned that the new coaching staff has not been successful in reducing the average number of penalties from last year. In fact, last year's team averaged 4.4 penalties per game while this year the team has experienced 5.5 penalties a game. I would have bet that the type of discipline and culture that Coach Bloomgren and his staff have been preaching would be seen in a lower number of penalties. For example, Navy is averaging 1.5 penalties a game and Kansas State averages 2.0 a game year-to-date. I would want to see this team averaging between 3 and 3.5 penalties a game in the future.

Hmmm....interesting

It looks like passing yards lead running yards 2-1
Who knew passing was that important

Especially for a team that "Pounds the rock".

Bloom didn't say "and never throw the rock". Pounding the rock gets a lot easier if the opposing secondary has to respect the pass.

Nor did I say "and never throw the rock". Heck, even Hatfield never said "and never throw the rock".

But for a team that is supposed to be run oriented, we sure pass a lot. I don't care what the slogan is or how much we pass or run, as long as we win.

Edit: rather than rely on yards gained, it went to the stats to check on attempts. 132 rushes, 98 passes. Sp 57% rushing. FWIW.

Ron Erhardt, HC, New England Patriots, and OC, Patriots/Giants/Steelers/Jets "Throw to score, run to win."

Bottom line, you have to do both.

(09-10-2018 02:40 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 02:29 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(09-10-2018 12:12 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  All penalties are not equal. I’d take 4 offsides over 3 PIs or unnecessary roughness calls everyday.

Sure I’d like less but I can think of a few this year already I disagreed with (PI against Calderon). And we haven’t done anything boneheaded like lose our temper and get a personal foul.

I disagree. While the 3 PIs would certainly be worse than the 4 offsides penalties from a yardage standpoint, I would be extremely concerned about the coaching if the team is committing a bunch of offsides or false starts. We know our secondary isn't the best, so if they commit some PIs playing aggressively, I can live with that.

Offsides can also be caused by aggressiveness but that’s not the point I’m going for. Basically I haven’t seen anything that concerns me yet penalty wise. We aren’t making a bunch of stupid costly penalties so far. I can only recall 1 drive (against Hawaii) where penalties derailed us. Let’s aim for 0 though.

I went back to the play by play stats for each game and noted that of the 18 penalties to date, 11 were accepted and 7 were declined (no details on what the declined penalties were). For accepted penalties agains the Owls there have been 2 delay of game penalties, 4 False starts, 3 Pass interference calls, 1 offside and 1 personal foul (on the offense). The delay of game penalties both occurred against PVAMU so it looks like that problem may have been cleaned up since there have been none called in the past 2 games.

(09-10-2018 02:52 PM)Neelys Ghost Wrote:  There really are no concerns at this point.... Evidenced by the fact that most of the people commenting here actually tuned in to the game.... which started at 11PM... and could only be seen on a phone... Many of the same people here now would tune out after the first half of the first quarter a season ago... Zero concerns... Upward trend line. Coached up group of kids... sit back and enjoy the ascent.

Agree! Things are looking up. The concern will be once we win a few games, making sure those who take notice don't easily pry the coach (or his assistants) away. Would be nice if we could have some continuity.

(09-10-2018 12:12 PM)cr11owl Wrote:  All penalties are not equal. I’d take 4 offsides over 3 PIs or unnecessary roughness calls everyday.

I'd take the PIs or unnecessary roughness calls over the offsides. The old Al Davis/Oakland Raiders philosophy, "5-yard penalties are worse than 15-yard penalties."

Why? Because PI and UR are fouls committed out of aggression. I don't want to discourage aggression. Offsides, or even worse false starts, are fouls committed out of stupidity or lack of focus. I want to discourage stupidity and lack of focus. If you commit PI and prevent a sure TD, that might helps win a game. If you jump offsides, you are not doing anything that can help win the game.

National Special Team Stats

https://twitter.com/pete_lembo/status/10...37664?s=21

(09-10-2018 04:58 PM)Tiki Owl Wrote:  National Special Team Stats

https://twitter.com/pete_lembo/status/10...37664?s=21

Great ST stats, so far. For the first time in years I don't close my eyes and cross my fingers when we are either punting, kicking OR receiving.

I would say that never having an offsides on the defense could be a problem as well. If you wait to see the ball snapped and then react, it might be too late. The offense has the advantage of knowing when the ball will be snapped. Good anticipation by the defense can counter some of the advantages of the offense.

FWIW, I think there is a real possibility of the secondary being able to consistently defense this weeks passing attack.

(09-10-2018 06:48 PM)RiceBull Wrote:  I would say that never having an offsides on the defense could be a problem as well. If you wait to see the ball snapped and then react, it might be too late. The offense has the advantage of knowing when the ball will be snapped. Good anticipation by the defense can counter some of the advantages of the offense.

I think offside on defense is slightly more justifiable than offside or false start or illegal shift or illegal formation on offense. There are times when the gamble might be worth it on defense. Not when the penalty gives them a first down, of course.

One interesting stat from some time back, not sure if it still holds, but the team with the most penalty yards usually wins the game.