(09-08-2018 09:55 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  

(09-08-2018 09:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-08-2018 09:35 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  Clemson is 100% walking away from this with a Ref W. No A&M fan can walk away thinking that they lost that game. That was taken from them.

The reviewed plays in the Mississippi State / Kansas State game were just as crooked until State simply couldn't be denied. Reviews essentially enabled KState's field goal and took points away from State. The second half the refs toned it down.

Yeah but this was a little more rough. 2 minutes left in a 1 possession game. I get your point though, I just don't understand how this happens in games against 2 big programs. Clemson wasn't playing at home against Nobody State. (Not that, that is ok. Just making a point myself).

Just sickening.

It was a mixed crew. The replay officials were SEC personnel. The angle of the camera on TV was not conclusive. Texas A&M fumbled at the corner. Protect the ball.
Kirk Herbstreit wasn't on the field, and Jimbo Fisher wasn't exactly objective.
Same rules apply to Clemson and Texas A&M as "Nobody State".

(09-09-2018 01:36 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 01:01 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-08-2018 10:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  [quote='AllTideUp' pid='15489151' dateline='1536462764']
The streak is over. Kentucky topples Florida.

And Arkansas needs a miracle.

Arkansas blows an 18 point lead at Colorado State and gives the SEC it's first embarrassing loss of the season. 34-27 after leading 27-9.

I wish I could forget the Vols performance last week as quickly as you can.

Well, WVU was ranked. Most of us didn't expect much of Tennessee this year so it wasn't embarrassing to the conference for them to lose to a ranked team. Arkansas losing to Colorado State by blowing an 18 point lead in the second half? That's another matter.

BTW: Lost in the midst of the day is the fact that Missouri had another very SEC like win over a very good Wyoming defense.



Wyoming led the nation in takeaways last year. Purdue next to return the favor from last year. After that we run the gauntlet.

(09-09-2018 11:26 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 01:36 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 01:01 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-08-2018 10:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  [quote='AllTideUp' pid='15489151' dateline='1536462764']
The streak is over. Kentucky topples Florida.

And Arkansas needs a miracle.

Arkansas blows an 18 point lead at Colorado State and gives the SEC it's first embarrassing loss of the season. 34-27 after leading 27-9.

I wish I could forget the Vols performance last week as quickly as you can.

Well, WVU was ranked. Most of us didn't expect much of Tennessee this year so it wasn't embarrassing to the conference for them to lose to a ranked team. Arkansas losing to Colorado State by blowing an 18 point lead in the second half? That's another matter.

BTW: Lost in the midst of the day is the fact that Missouri had another very SEC like win over a very good Wyoming defense.



Wyoming led the nation in takeaways last year. Purdue next to return the favor from last year. After that we run the gauntlet.

In the East I think you will be even odds with South Carolina and Kentucky, will have a good shot at Florida and Vanderbilt, should be favored over Tennessee and Arkansas, and will likely be a decided underdog with Georgia and Alabama.

(09-09-2018 11:46 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 11:26 PM)USAFMEDIC Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 01:36 AM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 01:01 AM)vandiver49 Wrote:  

(09-08-2018 10:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  [quote='AllTideUp' pid='15489151' dateline='1536462764']
The streak is over. Kentucky topples Florida.

And Arkansas needs a miracle.

Arkansas blows an 18 point lead at Colorado State and gives the SEC it's first embarrassing loss of the season. 34-27 after leading 27-9.

I wish I could forget the Vols performance last week as quickly as you can.

Well, WVU was ranked. Most of us didn't expect much of Tennessee this year so it wasn't embarrassing to the conference for them to lose to a ranked team. Arkansas losing to Colorado State by blowing an 18 point lead in the second half? That's another matter.

BTW: Lost in the midst of the day is the fact that Missouri had another very SEC like win over a very good Wyoming defense.



Wyoming led the nation in takeaways last year. Purdue next to return the favor from last year. After that we run the gauntlet.

In the East I think you will be even odds with South Carolina and Kentucky, will have a good shot at Florida and Vanderbilt, should be favored over Tennessee and Arkansas, and will likely be a decided underdog with Georgia and Alabama.

Georgia is a beast this year just like Alabama and Auburn.

(09-09-2018 10:28 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  

(09-08-2018 09:55 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  

(09-08-2018 09:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-08-2018 09:35 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  Clemson is 100% walking away from this with a Ref W. No A&M fan can walk away thinking that they lost that game. That was taken from them.

The reviewed plays in the Mississippi State / Kansas State game were just as crooked until State simply couldn't be denied. Reviews essentially enabled KState's field goal and took points away from State. The second half the refs toned it down.

Yeah but this was a little more rough. 2 minutes left in a 1 possession game. I get your point though, I just don't understand how this happens in games against 2 big programs. Clemson wasn't playing at home against Nobody State. (Not that, that is ok. Just making a point myself).

Just sickening.

It was a mixed crew. The replay officials were SEC personnel. The angle of the camera on TV was not conclusive. Texas A&M fumbled at the corner. Protect the ball.
Kirk Herbstreit wasn't on the field, and Jimbo Fisher wasn't exactly objective.
Same rules apply to Clemson and Texas A&M as "Nobody State".

Maybe you missed the part where Jimbo Fisher was going crazy and got the warning? The biggest issue is that YOU DO NOT call that through the endzone/touchback and it in itself was NOT conclusive. What SHOULD have happened, is that you call it out of bounds and review it. If there is enough to over turn it, then you do, if not it's out on the 2 yard line. The SEC Crew in the booth that is looking over the replay did NOT confirm. They just didn't see enough to over turn it. Common sense cannot be a factor in decision making. The mistake was made on the field.

Just like when someone fumbles the ball. Unless someone was 100% down and it was easy to see, they call it a fumble. The replay booth will be able to make the right call with definitive video footage. Same thing they do with out of bounds catches/interceptions or catches in general.

In this case, the benefit of the doubt WAS NOT given. It was called a touchback without question. As far as the common sense factor goes. The ball got knocked out to the LEFT on the 2 yard line. The WR's right hand hits the pylon, ball was long gone.

If the replay official couldn't tell if it was through the endzone or out of bounds. How could the official have made the right call in real time? If everyone looking at it regardless if they are on the field or not thinks there is a much higher chance it went out of bounds instead of through the endzone based off of the footage available they can't possibly be right because they are in a booth watching the footage that can be slowed/frozen?

Can you say without any doubt whatsoever that Texas A&M fumbled that ball through the endzone? Watch the video. The Official closest to the play threw the marker down at the 2ish yard line. The Official that was 10 yards behind the play came up and started talking, then the rest ran in. Also, the call wasn't even made immediately, it was made after the discussion. You can choose to believe what you want though.

Also, I do agree that you should hold on to the ball. It didn't happen. That's why the right call needs to be made. The issue most have, is would the same call have been made against Clemson? Do the same "rules" apply to them?

As far the the "Nobody State" comment. I already made that point. If you read the remarks between this symbol ( and this one ). You would see that. Point still stands though. If a Bigger program is playing a smaller program you typically see an advantage. I'm not saying its right, but anyone who denies it is lying to themselves.

(09-09-2018 05:25 PM)murrdcu Wrote:  

(09-08-2018 10:19 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  

(09-08-2018 10:16 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-08-2018 10:12 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  The streak is over. Kentucky topples Florida.

And Arkansas needs a miracle.

Arkansas blows an 18 point lead at Colorado State and gives the SEC it's first embarrassing loss of the season. 34-27 after leading 27-9.

Pretty amazing collapse considering how poorly Colorado State has played this year.

There goes any chance at landing in a bowl game.

Knew things were bad when the backup QB came in and got things rolling. Went to bed in the third quarter , too soon.

Don’t worry, we’re only in year 7 of a rebuild.

I tend to think Chad Morris will do good things at Arkansas although he obviously mishandled this one.

I mean hey, Nick Saban got beat by La-Monroe in his first year at Alabama. Hopefully, it's just a blip.

(09-10-2018 01:47 AM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  

(09-09-2018 10:28 PM)OdinFrigg Wrote:  

(09-08-2018 09:55 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  

(09-08-2018 09:48 PM)JRsec Wrote:  

(09-08-2018 09:35 PM)AubTiger16 Wrote:  Clemson is 100% walking away from this with a Ref W. No A&M fan can walk away thinking that they lost that game. That was taken from them.

The reviewed plays in the Mississippi State / Kansas State game were just as crooked until State simply couldn't be denied. Reviews essentially enabled KState's field goal and took points away from State. The second half the refs toned it down.

Yeah but this was a little more rough. 2 minutes left in a 1 possession game. I get your point though, I just don't understand how this happens in games against 2 big programs. Clemson wasn't playing at home against Nobody State. (Not that, that is ok. Just making a point myself).

Just sickening.

It was a mixed crew. The replay officials were SEC personnel. The angle of the camera on TV was not conclusive. Texas A&M fumbled at the corner. Protect the ball.
Kirk Herbstreit wasn't on the field, and Jimbo Fisher wasn't exactly objective.
Same rules apply to Clemson and Texas A&M as "Nobody State".

Maybe you missed the part where Jimbo Fisher was going crazy and got the warning? The biggest issue is that YOU DO NOT call that through the endzone/touchback and it in itself was NOT conclusive. What SHOULD have happened, is that you call it out of bounds and review it. If there is enough to over turn it, then you do, if not it's out on the 2 yard line. The SEC Crew in the booth that is looking over the replay did NOT confirm. They just didn't see enough to over turn it. Common sense cannot be a factor in decision making. The mistake was made on the field.

Just like when someone fumbles the ball. Unless someone was 100% down and it was easy to see, they call it a fumble. The replay booth will be able to make the right call with definitive video footage. Same thing they do with out of bounds catches/interceptions or catches in general.

In this case, the benefit of the doubt WAS NOT given. It was called a touchback without question. As far as the common sense factor goes. The ball got knocked out to the LEFT on the 2 yard line. The WR's right hand hits the pylon, ball was long gone.

If the replay official couldn't tell if it was through the endzone or out of bounds. How could the official have made the right call in real time? If everyone looking at it regardless if they are on the field or not thinks there is a much higher chance it went out of bounds instead of through the endzone based off of the footage available they can't possibly be right because they are in a booth watching the footage that can be slowed/frozen?

Can you say without any doubt whatsoever that Texas A&M fumbled that ball through the endzone? Watch the video. The Official closest to the play threw the marker down at the 2ish yard line. The Official that was 10 yards behind the play came up and started talking, then the rest ran in. Also, the call wasn't even made immediately, it was made after the discussion. You can choose to believe what you want though.

Also, I do agree that you should hold on to the ball. It didn't happen. That's why the right call needs to be made. The issue most have, is would the same call have been made against Clemson? Do the same "rules" apply to them?

As far the the "Nobody State" comment. I already made that point. If you read the remarks between this symbol ( and this one ). You would see that. Point still stands though. If a Bigger program is playing a smaller program you typically see an advantage. I'm not saying its right, but anyone who denies it is lying to themselves.

I am not even a Clemson fan. However, you appear to be implying the official made the call in favor of Clemson to help Clemson win. Thus, it was a motive, and not pure judgment. I will not assume that. I cannot say if it was the right call. The play was reviewed and the call on the field stood. The official from behind may have had a better, lateral view. If he was unethical, shame on him, but there is no conclusive evidence for that. In general, the game didn't appear to show a pattern of bad calls. Any fan can have their individual take.

I do concur with what JRsec said earlier per the Mississippi State-Kansas State game.
Watching on TV, it did appear two different officiating standards were being applied, particularly in the first half.

Agree, bad calls do happen, even with replay. That famous 2003 Tostitos Fiesta Bowl that went double overtown with Ohio State and Miami had a very controversial late interference call that impacted the game's outcome very directly.

If Texas A&M-Clemson was a bad judgment call, at least it was not based on a fantasy penalty not subject to review. Holding, targeting, off-sides, etc., calls or no calls, can be reflective of prejudices in officiating.
Texas A&M had a strong rally and was impressive. Had that call went the other way, and Clemson ended up losing, they would be complaining about that call. Nevertheless, the officials could not have pre-planned that call. If it was opportunistic for an official itching for such, it wasn't predictable or confirmable.