Stank "established" himself.... not so fast my friend. He did just fine today. So did Tyner. This QB competition is going to be sorted soon. But not just yet. I would like to see Tyner start a game and get several series into the game to see how he fares. Then we will know more. Not knocking stank but his stats will look good after the final drive because they gave us short stuff.... feel like our best vertical passing attack right now is directed by Tyner. All I can say is hope it gets settled quick cause a 2 QB system rarely works for an entire season. Go owls. And good luck to the staff. I was pleased overall with what I saw today... and I was there in person to see it too. We held our own most of the day in this one.

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We should also give props to Bloom for game management of this one. At no point was I (or better yet the announcers, who actually know something about football) scratching my head or ripping out my hair \because of Bailiff Ball shenanigans, i.e. not trying to get points with a minute left in the half or whatever

Honestly neither QB looked good to me. Our receivers really impressed beating the UH secondary on numerous contested balls. They’re the real deal.

(09-01-2018 04:59 PM)Intellectual_Brutality Wrote:  

(09-01-2018 04:54 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I think Stank establishes himself as the better QB and will be starting from here on out. Besides a few balls in the dirt, he made some decent throws.

Tyner made some nice throws too, and wasn't it Stank who had that godawful INT straight to the LB?
In any case, both guys outperformed their previous baselines and agree that Stank has slight advantage at the moment

Also agree with previous comment that ideally we'd be getting more out of the QB position, not just serviceable game management. One can imagine that with improvement at QB and DBs we're looking at a top-75 type team

+1.

Biggest most visible issue is the secondary.

QB position right now is 'passing' -- not great, not rank. It works. It gets from point A to point B. Just like my first car -- a '65 Plymouth Valiant.

Passing defense is a Yugo. In need of service. With bald tires. The pass defense/secondary gets improved from a D to a C-, we are actually a non-basement team; maybe a top 90 team. It gets upgraded to a B- we would be a top 75 team even without the QB upgrade.

Sorry, the absolute biggest hole in the program is the DB.

Getting the upgrade in the QB performance is getting an upgrade to business class from coach. (or a '65 Plymouth Valiant to a '83 Explorer)

Improving the DB situation is moving from tramp steamer passage to Ensenada to a Booze cruise out of San Diego. (or a non-mobile Yugo to the '83 Explorer)

(09-01-2018 05:02 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-01-2018 04:54 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I think Stank establishes himself as the better QB and will be starting from here on out. Besides a few balls in the dirt, he made some decent throws.

Stank threw a boatload of ducks in the first quarter and half.

If he decides to perform consistently as he did in the 3rd and 4th quarters, you would be right.

1st quarter and a half I could swear I could hear someone yelling 'Pull' when he tossed a *number* of floaters.

The TD at the end of the half was dead bird. WR climbed tree and outmuscled the defender for it.

If first half Stank is the quarterback, I am not going to fight a taxi situation. Problem is, which Stank will be the steady-state Stank? (awesome alliteration there....)

I think there is no choice but to assume '3rd quarter Stank' is going to the norm; its his until 1st quarter Stank comes forward....

For whatever reason, this is the second consecutive week in which the run game died whenever Tyner came in. Is it not conceivable that Stank is a better ball handler and/or more adept at calling audibles to put the RB in the best position possible?

(09-01-2018 05:08 PM)Intellectual_Brutality Wrote:  We should also give props to Bloom for game management of this one. At no point was I (or better yet the announcers, who actually know something about football) scratching my head or ripping out my hair \because of Bailiff Ball shenanigans, i.e. not trying to get points with a minute left in the half or whatever

Another big difference from years past-- our final drive of the first half, getting the ball at around the 30 yard line. Bailiff would have played not to lose, and would have tried to run out the clock. Bloom, with the score tied at 17, and with about 3 1/2 minutes remaining on the clock, started by passing...playing to win and go into the lockerroom with all the momentum. It could have backfired badly had we gone 3 and out, leaving UH with 2+ minutes to try to take the half time lead, but I love the aggressive, playing to win mentality.

(09-01-2018 05:11 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(09-01-2018 05:02 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-01-2018 04:54 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I think Stank establishes himself as the better QB and will be starting from here on out. Besides a few balls in the dirt, he made some decent throws.

Stank threw a boatload of ducks in the first quarter and half.

If he decides to perform consistently as he did in the 3rd and 4th quarters, you would be right.

1st quarter and a half I could swear I could hear someone yelling 'Pull' when he tossed a *number* of floaters.

The TD at the end of the half was dead bird. WR climbed tree and outmuscled the defender for it.

If first half Stank is the quarterback, I am not going to fight a taxi situation. Problem is, which Stank will be the steady-state Stank? (awesome alliteration there....)

I think there is no choice but to assume '3rd quarter Stank' is going to the norm; its his until 1st quarter Stank comes forward....

For whatever reason, this is the second consecutive week in which the run game died whenever Tyner came in. Is it not conceivable that Stank is a better ball handler and/or more adept at calling audibles to put the RB in the best position possible?

Or is it possible once Tyner comes in defenses have adjusted to what we are doing. Also is it possible that defenses defend the 2 guys a little differently.

Got so much to say... please give me time I most definitely will give my full game analysis. This was so much fun(and frustrating). Man I really LOVE football.

(09-01-2018 05:16 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  Another big difference from years past-- our final drive of the first half, getting the ball at around the 30 yard line. Bailiff would have played not to lose, and would have tried to run out the clock. Bloom, with the score tied at 17, and with about 3 1/2 minutes remaining on the clock, started by passing...playing to win and go into the lockerroom with all the momentum. It could have backfired badly had we gone 3 and out, leaving UH with 2+ minutes to try to take the half time lead, but I love the aggressive, playing to win mentality.

Walt, I'm not sure what game you were watching. We had two possessions late in the first half. The first started on our own 25 with 3:34 left. We started that one with an incomplete pass, then a short run, UH used a time out, and on third down took a sack. 3 and out, did not run much off the clock. That's what you don't want to do. We punted the ball back with over two minutes left. We should have been running the ball there until we got to about midfield, in order to avoid giving them a scoring opportunity.

Fortunately our defense stopped UH and we got the ball back on our own 12 at 1:41. We correctly ran the ball to get the clock moving and got a facemark penalty against UH, so now we were up to the 30. We decided we were far enough upfield and there was little enough clock left at that point, so we threw a couple of short passes, got to midfield at around a minute left, and then went downfield and scored. That's the way you are supposed to do it.

The idea is that you try to get to midfield with a minute left and then go downfield from there. You want to run it so that only one team has a legitimate opportunity to score.

we should get rid of Bailiff many years ago.

Post-game presser. Bloom continues to say all the right things. I love the way the coaches are meeting at 10:00pm tonight to look at film and start game-planning for Hawaii...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s3cG7F5...e=youtu.be

(09-01-2018 05:08 PM)Intellectual_Brutality Wrote:  We should also give props to Bloom for game management of this one. At no point was I (or better yet the announcers, who actually know something about football) scratching my head or ripping out my hair \because of Bailiff Ball shenanigans, i.e. not trying to get points with a minute left in the half or whatever

Although the outcome of the game had been decided by then, spiking the ball on 1st and goal in the final minute was bad. We had timeouts, so if we wanted to stop the clock, we could have done so without wasting a down. Or, throw a pass into the end zone, which would result in either a touchdown or a clock stoppage.

Pleasantly surprised. Most of what I saw I liked. UH made the halftime corrections, we did not answer. Is that coaching?

QB situation seems to be evolving away from two QBs to a starter and a long reliever.

Take out Eskupa's 52 yard run, and what was our rush average?

I thought we should have gone for it instead of trying those long FGs. Not just for possible scoring, but to run clock. Underdogs have to gamble.

Bottom line: we are exactly where we thought we would be after two games: 1-1. Better showing v. UH than expected, worse showing v. PV than expected. Still, 1-1.

question: why spike the ball on first and goal in the last minute down 18 and holding three timouts?

(09-01-2018 05:16 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(09-01-2018 05:08 PM)Intellectual_Brutality Wrote:  We should also give props to Bloom for game management of this one. At no point was I (or better yet the announcers, who actually know something about football) scratching my head or ripping out my hair \because of Bailiff Ball shenanigans, i.e. not trying to get points with a minute left in the half or whatever

Another big difference from years past-- our final drive of the first half, getting the ball at around the 30 yard line. Bailiff would have played not to lose, and would have tried to run out the clock. Bloom, with the score tied at 17, and with about 3 1/2 minutes remaining on the clock, started by passing...playing to win and go into the lockerroom with all the momentum. It could have backfired badly had we gone 3 and out, leaving UH with 2+ minutes to try to take the half time lead, but I love the aggressive, playing to win mentality.

Me and a friend said the same thing - very good to see.

(09-01-2018 05:02 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-01-2018 04:54 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I think Stank establishes himself as the better QB and will be starting from here on out. Besides a few balls in the dirt, he made some decent throws.

Stank threw a boatload of ducks in the first quarter and half.

If he decides to perform consistently as he did in the 3rd and 4th quarters, you would be right.

1st quarter and a half I could swear I could hear someone yelling 'Pull' when he tossed a *number* of floaters.

The TD at the end of the half was dead bird. WR climbed tree and outmuscled the defender for it.

If first half Stank is the quarterback, I am not going to fight a taxi situation. Problem is, which Stank will be the steady-state Stank? (awesome alliteration there....)

I think there is no choice but to assume '3rd quarter Stank' is going to the norm; its his until 1st quarter Stank comes forward....

Agree with this -- after seeing SS's throws during the first quarter or so, I was wondering why on earth Tyner wasn't in the game. Then, he looked great for a good stretch.
Tyner does indeed have an NFL-caliber arm.
After seeing the PVAM game, I couldn't believe these were the same 2 players today.

Not sure i can remember the last time we were competive against those bozos. Props to staff and team.

The second half of the 2012 season was a real disaster from a long range perspective as it fooled way too many people.

Not sure I can remember when I was more optimistic

(09-01-2018 05:11 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  

(09-01-2018 05:02 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(09-01-2018 04:54 PM)RiceLad15 Wrote:  I think Stank establishes himself as the better QB and will be starting from here on out. Besides a few balls in the dirt, he made some decent throws.

Stank threw a boatload of ducks in the first quarter and half.

If he decides to perform consistently as he did in the 3rd and 4th quarters, you would be right.

1st quarter and a half I could swear I could hear someone yelling 'Pull' when he tossed a *number* of floaters.

The TD at the end of the half was dead bird. WR climbed tree and outmuscled the defender for it.

If first half Stank is the quarterback, I am not going to fight a taxi situation. Problem is, which Stank will be the steady-state Stank? (awesome alliteration there....)

I think there is no choice but to assume '3rd quarter Stank' is going to the norm; its his until 1st quarter Stank comes forward....

For whatever reason, this is the second consecutive week in which the run game died whenever Tyner came in. Is it not conceivable that Stank is a better ball handler and/or more adept at calling audibles to put the RB in the best position possible?

No question about it, Walt. My view from the sideline as well. We need to go with Sean. Period. Put Tyler on the field somewhere else at times, we need his size and athleticism.

(09-01-2018 06:11 PM)texowl2 Wrote:  Not sure i can remember the last time we were competive against those bozos. Props to staff and team.

The second half of the 2012 season was a real disaster from a long range perspective as it fooled way too many people.

Not sure I can remember when I was more optimistic

2010. Which wasn’t that long ago because we didn’t play them for awhile.

(09-01-2018 05:42 PM)waltgreenberg Wrote:  Post-game presser. Bloom continues to say all the right things. I love the way the coaches are meeting at 10:00pm tonight to look at film and start game-planning for Hawaii...

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2s3cG7F5...e=youtu.be

Absolutely class acts--Bloomgren and the players who spoke as well.

I sensed that the running game and time of possession was starting to affect UH's defense late in the 2nd quarter.

But, those interminable time out breaks in the 2nd half just killed any possible advantage.

It's probably a conference decision (contractually) to allow CBSSN to have such lengthy commercial breaks, and if so, it's just one more reason that the C-USA Commissioner is incompetent. It's just not worth the peanuts we get to permit a cable network the power to slow a game down to a crawl.