(03-23-2018 11:34 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Looks to me like the dems are playing hard ball. They are not going to give Trump his useless wall AND the repubs and Trump will be the fall guys for letting DACA die. Trumps bluff is being called. If he vetoes, he doesn't get his wall and he gets blamed for the death of DACA.. Good Job Dems!!

If the wall was so useless there wouldn't be so many dims against it. Pretty simple actually.

(03-23-2018 11:38 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 11:34 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Looks to me like the dems are playing hard ball. They are not going to give Trump his useless wall AND the repubs and Trump will be the fall guys for letting DACA die. Trumps bluff is being called. If he vetoes, he doesn't get his wall and he gets blamed for the death of DACA.. Good Job Dems!!

If the wall was so useless there wouldn't be so many dims against it. Pretty simple actually.

Well, if Mexico was gonna pay for it as our delusional prez said, you might be right. Unfortunately, there are upwards of 50 billion reasons for any sane person to have for not supporting it.
Pretty simple, actually

(03-23-2018 11:38 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 11:34 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Looks to me like the dems are playing hard ball. They are not going to give Trump his useless wall AND the repubs and Trump will be the fall guys for letting DACA die. Trumps bluff is being called. If he vetoes, he doesn't get his wall and he gets blamed for the death of DACA.. Good Job Dems!!

If the wall was so useless there wouldn't be so many dims against it. Pretty simple actually.

Not really. People are against it for many reasons:

1. Cost.
2. What to do about the Rio Grande.
3. The land grabs to erect it will be problematic.
4. Effect on wildlife.
5. It doesn't solve the real problem with immigration, the people already here.

(03-23-2018 12:06 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 11:38 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 11:34 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Looks to me like the dems are playing hard ball. They are not going to give Trump his useless wall AND the repubs and Trump will be the fall guys for letting DACA die. Trumps bluff is being called. If he vetoes, he doesn't get his wall and he gets blamed for the death of DACA.. Good Job Dems!!

If the wall was so useless there wouldn't be so many dims against it. Pretty simple actually.

Not really. People are against it for many reasons:

1. Cost.
2. What to do about the Rio Grande.
3. The land grabs to erect it will be problematic.
4. Effect on wildlife.
5. It doesn't solve the real problem with immigration, the people already here.

Those highlighted are especially funny coming from a lib.

It will stop most undocumented democrats from illegally entering the US, that's why the left is opposed to it.

(03-23-2018 11:56 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 11:38 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 11:34 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Looks to me like the dems are playing hard ball. They are not going to give Trump his useless wall AND the repubs and Trump will be the fall guys for letting DACA die. Trumps bluff is being called. If he vetoes, he doesn't get his wall and he gets blamed for the death of DACA.. Good Job Dems!!

If the wall was so useless there wouldn't be so many dims against it. Pretty simple actually.

Well, if Mexico was gonna pay for it as our delusional prez said, you might be right. Unfortunately, there are upwards of 50 billion reasons for any sane person to have for not supporting it.
Pretty simple, actually

Dims worried about spending other people's money. 'K.

(03-23-2018 11:56 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 11:38 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 11:34 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Looks to me like the dems are playing hard ball. They are not going to give Trump his useless wall AND the repubs and Trump will be the fall guys for letting DACA die. Trumps bluff is being called. If he vetoes, he doesn't get his wall and he gets blamed for the death of DACA.. Good Job Dems!!

If the wall was so useless there wouldn't be so many dims against it. Pretty simple actually.

Well, if Mexico was gonna pay for it as our delusional prez said, you might be right. Unfortunately, there are upwards of 50 billion reasons for any sane person to have for not supporting it.
Pretty simple, actually

I don't know about 50B (that sounds like a good investment to me although you number is a bit higher than most of what I've heard), but I can think of 11-15 million reasons why sane people would support the wall.

(03-23-2018 12:18 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 11:56 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 11:38 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 11:34 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Looks to me like the dems are playing hard ball. They are not going to give Trump his useless wall AND the repubs and Trump will be the fall guys for letting DACA die. Trumps bluff is being called. If he vetoes, he doesn't get his wall and he gets blamed for the death of DACA.. Good Job Dems!!

If the wall was so useless there wouldn't be so many dims against it. Pretty simple actually.

Well, if Mexico was gonna pay for it as our delusional prez said, you might be right. Unfortunately, there are upwards of 50 billion reasons for any sane person to have for not supporting it.
Pretty simple, actually

I don't know about 50B (that sounds like a good investment to me although you number is a bit higher than most of what I've heard), but I can think of 11-15 million reasons why sane people would support the wall.

Name them.

Keep in mind any wall will do NOTHING with the illegal immigrants already here!

(03-23-2018 12:09 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 12:06 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 11:38 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 11:34 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Looks to me like the dems are playing hard ball. They are not going to give Trump his useless wall AND the repubs and Trump will be the fall guys for letting DACA die. Trumps bluff is being called. If he vetoes, he doesn't get his wall and he gets blamed for the death of DACA.. Good Job Dems!!

If the wall was so useless there wouldn't be so many dims against it. Pretty simple actually.

Not really. People are against it for many reasons:

1. Cost.
2. What to do about the Rio Grande.
3. The land grabs to erect it will be problematic.
4. Effect on wildlife.
5. It doesn't solve the real problem with immigration, the people already here.

Those highlighted are especially funny coming from a lib.

It will stop most undocumented democrats from illegally entering the US, that's why the left is opposed to it.

Then your response is just plain ignorant. One can be liberal on social issues and conservative on fiscal ones and vice versa. Stereotypically painting people into one camp or the other is misguided.

And the left is opposed to it because it's just not needed.

A G A I N, the problem is not the people coming here (net illegal immigration is pretty much zero), it's the people already here.

(03-23-2018 12:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 12:18 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 11:56 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 11:38 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 11:34 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Looks to me like the dems are playing hard ball. They are not going to give Trump his useless wall AND the repubs and Trump will be the fall guys for letting DACA die. Trumps bluff is being called. If he vetoes, he doesn't get his wall and he gets blamed for the death of DACA.. Good Job Dems!!

If the wall was so useless there wouldn't be so many dims against it. Pretty simple actually.

Well, if Mexico was gonna pay for it as our delusional prez said, you might be right. Unfortunately, there are upwards of 50 billion reasons for any sane person to have for not supporting it.
Pretty simple, actually

I don't know about 50B (that sounds like a good investment to me although you number is a bit higher than most of what I've heard), but I can think of 11-15 million reasons why sane people would support the wall.

Name them.

Keep in mind any wall will do NOTHING with the illegal immigrants already here!

Stop looking at it so simplistically. First step in eliminating illegal immigration is to plug the hole. Had the border not be wide open for the past 30 years, there wouldn't be 11-15 million illegals here.

(03-23-2018 05:15 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  one day soon your dollar won't be worth half what it is today....

I give it 20 yrs. max.....

Gold and crypto.

(03-23-2018 01:08 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 05:15 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  one day soon your dollar won't be worth half what it is today....

I give it 20 yrs. max.....

Gold and crypto.

no no no no no no no.

Seeds and bullets.

(03-23-2018 11:56 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 11:38 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 11:34 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Looks to me like the dems are playing hard ball. They are not going to give Trump his useless wall AND the repubs and Trump will be the fall guys for letting DACA die. Trumps bluff is being called. If he vetoes, he doesn't get his wall and he gets blamed for the death of DACA.. Good Job Dems!!

If the wall was so useless there wouldn't be so many dims against it. Pretty simple actually.

Well, if Mexico was gonna pay for it as our delusional prez said, you might be right. Unfortunately, there are upwards of 50 billion reasons for any sane person to have for not supporting it.
Pretty simple, actually

Yea, like if you listen to the border agents actually on the ground there, they’ll tell you it works.

Even a simple pieced together, sheet metal fence has cut the fence jumpers by 75% or so in areas.

But of course that might cost dims future generations of dependent voters, and we can’t have that.

(03-23-2018 12:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 12:18 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 11:56 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 11:38 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 11:34 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Looks to me like the dems are playing hard ball. They are not going to give Trump his useless wall AND the repubs and Trump will be the fall guys for letting DACA die. Trumps bluff is being called. If he vetoes, he doesn't get his wall and he gets blamed for the death of DACA.. Good Job Dems!!

If the wall was so useless there wouldn't be so many dims against it. Pretty simple actually.

Well, if Mexico was gonna pay for it as our delusional prez said, you might be right. Unfortunately, there are upwards of 50 billion reasons for any sane person to have for not supporting it.
Pretty simple, actually

I don't know about 50B (that sounds like a good investment to me although you number is a bit higher than most of what I've heard), but I can think of 11-15 million reasons why sane people would support the wall.

Name them.

Keep in mind any wall will do NOTHING with the illegal immigrants already here!

Sure it will.

Once they get tossed out, a place they have no right to be, it’ll be tougher to simply walk on back in.

We can even print them up some pretty little pamphlets in espanol letting them know if they show up illegally again, it’ll be 5 years, mandatory.

Those two things right there would cut out this foolishness pretty damn quick.

A big, beautiful wall and mandatory minimums. Win-win.

(03-23-2018 01:22 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 12:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 12:18 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 11:56 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 11:38 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  If the wall was so useless there wouldn't be so many dims against it. Pretty simple actually.

Well, if Mexico was gonna pay for it as our delusional prez said, you might be right. Unfortunately, there are upwards of 50 billion reasons for any sane person to have for not supporting it.
Pretty simple, actually

I don't know about 50B (that sounds like a good investment to me although you number is a bit higher than most of what I've heard), but I can think of 11-15 million reasons why sane people would support the wall.

Name them.

Keep in mind any wall will do NOTHING with the illegal immigrants already here!

Sure it will.

Once they get tossed out, a place they have no right to be, it’ll be tougher to simply walk on back in.

We can even print them up some pretty little pamphlets in espanol letting them know if they show up illegally again, it’ll be 5 years, mandatory.

Those two things right there would cut out this foolishness pretty damn quick.

A big, beautiful wall and mandatory minimums. Win-win.

So we don't want to pay for them to have public welfare or insurance, but pay for them to have public welfare and insurance in prison? Only difference is we have to pay the markups on prison management companies

(03-23-2018 01:53 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 01:22 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 12:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 12:18 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 11:56 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Well, if Mexico was gonna pay for it as our delusional prez said, you might be right. Unfortunately, there are upwards of 50 billion reasons for any sane person to have for not supporting it.
Pretty simple, actually

I don't know about 50B (that sounds like a good investment to me although you number is a bit higher than most of what I've heard), but I can think of 11-15 million reasons why sane people would support the wall.

Name them.

Keep in mind any wall will do NOTHING with the illegal immigrants already here!

Sure it will.

Once they get tossed out, a place they have no right to be, it’ll be tougher to simply walk on back in.

We can even print them up some pretty little pamphlets in espanol letting them know if they show up illegally again, it’ll be 5 years, mandatory.

Those two things right there would cut out this foolishness pretty damn quick.

A big, beautiful wall and mandatory minimums. Win-win.

So we don't want to pay for them to have public welfare or insurance, but pay for them to have public welfare and insurance in prison? Only difference is we have to pay the markups on prison management companies

The idea being they won’t come back...

Did that really need ‘splainin?

(03-23-2018 01:53 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 01:22 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 12:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 12:18 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 11:56 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Well, if Mexico was gonna pay for it as our delusional prez said, you might be right. Unfortunately, there are upwards of 50 billion reasons for any sane person to have for not supporting it.
Pretty simple, actually

I don't know about 50B (that sounds like a good investment to me although you number is a bit higher than most of what I've heard), but I can think of 11-15 million reasons why sane people would support the wall.

Name them.

Keep in mind any wall will do NOTHING with the illegal immigrants already here!

Sure it will.

Once they get tossed out, a place they have no right to be, it’ll be tougher to simply walk on back in.

We can even print them up some pretty little pamphlets in espanol letting them know if they show up illegally again, it’ll be 5 years, mandatory.

Those two things right there would cut out this foolishness pretty damn quick.

A big, beautiful wall and mandatory minimums. Win-win.

So we don't want to pay for them to have public welfare or insurance, but pay for them to have public welfare and insurance in prison? Only difference is we have to pay the markups on prison management companies

So you advocate the death penalty for illegals?

(03-23-2018 02:10 PM)hoopfan Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 01:53 PM)bobdizole Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 01:22 PM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 12:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 12:18 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  I don't know about 50B (that sounds like a good investment to me although you number is a bit higher than most of what I've heard), but I can think of 11-15 million reasons why sane people would support the wall.

Name them.

Keep in mind any wall will do NOTHING with the illegal immigrants already here!

Sure it will.

Once they get tossed out, a place they have no right to be, it’ll be tougher to simply walk on back in.

We can even print them up some pretty little pamphlets in espanol letting them know if they show up illegally again, it’ll be 5 years, mandatory.

Those two things right there would cut out this foolishness pretty damn quick.

A big, beautiful wall and mandatory minimums. Win-win.

So we don't want to pay for them to have public welfare or insurance, but pay for them to have public welfare and insurance in prison? Only difference is we have to pay the markups on prison management companies

So you advocate the death penalty for illegals?

Ha no

(03-23-2018 01:07 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 12:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 12:18 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 11:56 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 11:38 AM)TechRocks Wrote:  If the wall was so useless there wouldn't be so many dims against it. Pretty simple actually.

Well, if Mexico was gonna pay for it as our delusional prez said, you might be right. Unfortunately, there are upwards of 50 billion reasons for any sane person to have for not supporting it.
Pretty simple, actually

I don't know about 50B (that sounds like a good investment to me although you number is a bit higher than most of what I've heard), but I can think of 11-15 million reasons why sane people would support the wall.

Name them.

Keep in mind any wall will do NOTHING with the illegal immigrants already here!

Stop looking at it so simplistically. First step in eliminating illegal immigration is to plug the hole. Had the border not be wide open for the past 30 years, there wouldn't be 11-15 million illegals here.

I might make the same comment about your remark. The reason we have so many illegal aliens is because for decades and decades and decades, if not centuries, this country welcomed cheap labor. Dems and Repubs were not about to rock the cheap labor boat so they both turned a blind eye to it.
Soon as 9-11, everyone started panicking and all of a sudden it became a flash point for every conceivable BS story the pubs could think up.
Deportation (begun by Obama, thank you) has worked to slow the tide of illegals. The question now is, "Does the expense justify the results?" If the flow has been reduced to a trickle, and part of that trickle comes from visa over stays, not smuggled in, why go to the trouble?

(03-23-2018 03:03 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 01:07 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 12:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 12:18 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 11:56 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Well, if Mexico was gonna pay for it as our delusional prez said, you might be right. Unfortunately, there are upwards of 50 billion reasons for any sane person to have for not supporting it.
Pretty simple, actually

I don't know about 50B (that sounds like a good investment to me although you number is a bit higher than most of what I've heard), but I can think of 11-15 million reasons why sane people would support the wall.

Name them.

Keep in mind any wall will do NOTHING with the illegal immigrants already here!

Stop looking at it so simplistically. First step in eliminating illegal immigration is to plug the hole. Had the border not be wide open for the past 30 years, there wouldn't be 11-15 million illegals here.

I might make the same comment about your remark. The reason we have so many illegal aliens is because for decades and decades and decades, if not centuries, this country welcomed cheap labor. Dems and Repubs were not about to rock the cheap labor boat so they both turned a blind eye to it.
Soon as 9-11, everyone started panicking and all of a sudden it became a flash point for every conceivable BS story the pubs could think up.
Deportation (begun by Obama, thank you) has worked to slow the tide of illegals. The question now is, "Does the expense justify the results?" If the flow has been reduced to a trickle, and part of that trickle comes from visa over stays, not smuggled in, why go to the trouble?

Wow. Just wow.

(03-23-2018 03:03 PM)Old Dominion Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 01:07 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 12:46 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 12:18 PM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 11:56 AM)Old Dominion Wrote:  Well, if Mexico was gonna pay for it as our delusional prez said, you might be right. Unfortunately, there are upwards of 50 billion reasons for any sane person to have for not supporting it.
Pretty simple, actually

I don't know about 50B (that sounds like a good investment to me although you number is a bit higher than most of what I've heard), but I can think of 11-15 million reasons why sane people would support the wall.

Name them.

Keep in mind any wall will do NOTHING with the illegal immigrants already here!

Stop looking at it so simplistically. First step in eliminating illegal immigration is to plug the hole. Had the border not be wide open for the past 30 years, there wouldn't be 11-15 million illegals here.

I might make the same comment about your remark. The reason we have so many illegal aliens is because for decades and decades and decades, if not centuries, this country welcomed cheap labor. Dems and Repubs were not about to rock the cheap labor boat so they both turned a blind eye to it.
Soon as 9-11, everyone started panicking and all of a sudden it became a flash point for every conceivable BS story the pubs could think up.
Deportation (begun by Obama, thank you) has worked to slow the tide of illegals. The question now is, "Does the expense justify the results?" If the flow has been reduced to a trickle, and part of that trickle comes from visa over stays, not smuggled in, why go to the trouble?

Bolded lie negates any point you may have been trying to make. Come back when you can tell the truth.