(03-26-2018 02:08 AM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 11:44 PM)Ourland Wrote:  I think the program made the NCAA tournament one time in the very early 80's. We lost in the first round.

Your last sentence is correct. But it was in 1970 (vs New Mexico State @TCU).

(I saw this crushing defeat in person. Grrr.)




Yep we won the SWC that year with Myers, Reist (two excellent guards from up north) and Steve Wendel, a really good center from around here (Houston) I believe.....all of us came in as freshmen in 1966.

I suited out for the freshman bb team that year, but figured I better stick with football when Myers and I went up for a rebound in practice one day, and he at 5'10" out jumped me (6'5"), from behind no less, to snatch a rebound off the boards. I had position on him, but alas.......



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(03-23-2018 10:17 AM)Kayjay Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 12:51 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 12:28 PM)Kayjay Wrote:  Rice's transfer challenges in context:

As of today (March 21) 183 D-1 players have already announced that they intend to transfer to another school. That number will likely exceed 800 by the time the the school year is complete. (Last year there were 883 transfers, in 2016 there were 800). Of the 183, 66 will be immediately eligible to compete, almost 1/3. There are 325 Division 1 Men's Basketball schools.If each school averages 12 players (scholarship limit), that is 3,900 players. We can assume that approximately 1/4 "graduate" or leave their program each year (975) with no further eligibility, so out of a universe of eligible 2,925 players, about 27% will transfer each year, or a little more than 3 players per team.

In context, it is pretty tough to build a program given the number of transfers that are now occurring in Division 1 with that kind of turnover.

The scholarship limit is 13. There are 351 Division I programs. That equals 4563 players.

Thanks for the correction. UPDATE, as of today (March 23) there are now 211 transfers announced in D-1 hoops.

Further Update (March 26) There are now 241 transfers announced in D-1 hoops, including:

6 from Youngstown State,
6 from Maine,
7 from Pitt,
4 leaving The Citidel,
3 From Wyoming,
4 from Wake Forest,
4 USC Upstate,
3 San Jose State,
3 Oral Roberts,
4 NC State,
3 Louisiana Tech,
4 Fordham,
5 Evansville,
4 Dayton,
3 Cal Poly,
and 3 Bowling Green.

(03-25-2018 11:44 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(03-24-2018 04:26 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I actually had an email exchange with Mr Lester yesterday. In short, it sucks that someone of his caliber is leaving.

I did not ask him about his reasons for leaving, but he was effuse in his praise for Coach Pera. I dont think he will be answering the questions posed to him in this thread in an open forum, as he indicated that he did not want to affect any potential recruits that might read a board like this.

He said his reasons for leaving were mostly all off-court issues.

As I said, hate to see someone like him leave.

I hope it's true that he's leaving for personal reasons, but I suspect it's not. Players leaving the basketball program is going to be a recurring theme I'm afraid. Rice basketball is about as insignificant as it gets. I think the program made the NCAA tournament one time in the very early 80's. We lost in the first round.

Well, he said he had no issues with why he left, but did not want to openly answer the questions posed on the board since he said 'recruits do read these boards'.

That tells me the answers to the questions do not reflect well on Rice/athletics, excluding the actual basketball program.

(03-26-2018 01:00 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 11:44 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(03-24-2018 04:26 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I actually had an email exchange with Mr Lester yesterday. In short, it sucks that someone of his caliber is leaving.

I did not ask him about his reasons for leaving, but he was effuse in his praise for Coach Pera. I dont think he will be answering the questions posed to him in this thread in an open forum, as he indicated that he did not want to affect any potential recruits that might read a board like this.

He said his reasons for leaving were mostly all off-court issues.

As I said, hate to see someone like him leave.

I hope it's true that he's leaving for personal reasons, but I suspect it's not. Players leaving the basketball program is going to be a recurring theme I'm afraid. Rice basketball is about as insignificant as it gets. I think the program made the NCAA tournament one time in the very early 80's. We lost in the first round.

Well, he said he had no issues with why he left, but did not want to openly answer the questions posed on the board since he said 'recruits do read these boards'.

That tells me the answers to the questions do not reflect well on Rice/athletics, excluding the actual basketball program.

+1

(03-26-2018 01:00 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  

(03-25-2018 11:44 PM)Ourland Wrote:  

(03-24-2018 04:26 PM)tanqtonic Wrote:  I actually had an email exchange with Mr Lester yesterday. In short, it sucks that someone of his caliber is leaving.

I did not ask him about his reasons for leaving, but he was effuse in his praise for Coach Pera. I dont think he will be answering the questions posed to him in this thread in an open forum, as he indicated that he did not want to affect any potential recruits that might read a board like this.

He said his reasons for leaving were mostly all off-court issues.

As I said, hate to see someone like him leave.

I hope it's true that he's leaving for personal reasons, but I suspect it's not. Players leaving the basketball program is going to be a recurring theme I'm afraid. Rice basketball is about as insignificant as it gets. I think the program made the NCAA tournament one time in the very early 80's. We lost in the first round.

Well, he said he had no issues with why he left, but did not want to openly answer the questions posed on the board since he said 'recruits do read these boards'.

That tells me the answers to the questions do not reflect well on Rice/athletics, excluding the actual basketball program.

Well, of course they don't. He's unhappy with Rice and so he's transferring.

(03-26-2018 11:02 AM)Kayjay Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 10:17 AM)Kayjay Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 12:51 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 12:28 PM)Kayjay Wrote:  Rice's transfer challenges in context:

As of today (March 21) 183 D-1 players have already announced that they intend to transfer to another school. That number will likely exceed 800 by the time the the school year is complete. (Last year there were 883 transfers, in 2016 there were 800). Of the 183, 66 will be immediately eligible to compete, almost 1/3. There are 325 Division 1 Men's Basketball schools.If each school averages 12 players (scholarship limit), that is 3,900 players. We can assume that approximately 1/4 "graduate" or leave their program each year (975) with no further eligibility, so out of a universe of eligible 2,925 players, about 27% will transfer each year, or a little more than 3 players per team.

In context, it is pretty tough to build a program given the number of transfers that are now occurring in Division 1 with that kind of turnover.

The scholarship limit is 13. There are 351 Division I programs. That equals 4563 players.

Thanks for the correction. UPDATE, as of today (March 23) there are now 211 transfers announced in D-1 hoops.

Further Update (March 26) There are now 241 transfers announced in D-1 hoops, including:

6 from Youngstown State,
6 from Maine,
7 from Pitt,
4 leaving The Citidel,
3 From Wyoming,
4 from Wake Forest,
4 USC Upstate,
3 San Jose State,
3 Oral Roberts,
4 NC State,
3 Louisiana Tech,
4 Fordham,
5 Evansville,
4 Dayton,
3 Cal Poly,
and 3 Bowling Green.

For those still paying attention, as of today (March 29), 311 Players have announced that they will transfer from their current Division 1 school.

Greater than 10% effective turnover.

with this much turnover, I womder which are the schools that have a net positive turnover, I. E., they attract more transfers than they lose.

Again, I think we may want to look at a model where at least a portion of out team is similarly poached from 'lesser' programs, especially those with solid academics (meaning the kids chose as an example, Wash St Louis over UTEP). I know there aren't currently many of those, but there certainly are some.

(03-29-2018 01:27 PM)Hambone10 Wrote:  Again, I think we may want to look at a model where at least a portion of out team is similarly poached from 'lesser' programs, especially those with solid academics (meaning the kids chose as an example, Wash St Louis over UTEP). I know there aren't currently many of those, but there certainly are some.

Case in point, Duncan Robinson is Michigan's fourth leading scorer as a redshirt senior, but he transferred from Williams after his freshman year there, where he was a fourth-team DIII All American (and on the DIII Final Four All-Tournament team) on a team that finished as the national championship runner-up.

https://www.si.com/college-basketball/20...final-four

(03-29-2018 11:22 AM)Kayjay Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 11:02 AM)Kayjay Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 10:17 AM)Kayjay Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 12:51 PM)WRCisforgotten79 Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 12:28 PM)Kayjay Wrote:  Rice's transfer challenges in context:

As of today (March 21) 183 D-1 players have already announced that they intend to transfer to another school. That number will likely exceed 800 by the time the the school year is complete. (Last year there were 883 transfers, in 2016 there were 800). Of the 183, 66 will be immediately eligible to compete, almost 1/3. There are 325 Division 1 Men's Basketball schools.If each school averages 12 players (scholarship limit), that is 3,900 players. We can assume that approximately 1/4 "graduate" or leave their program each year (975) with no further eligibility, so out of a universe of eligible 2,925 players, about 27% will transfer each year, or a little more than 3 players per team.

In context, it is pretty tough to build a program given the number of transfers that are now occurring in Division 1 with that kind of turnover.

The scholarship limit is 13. There are 351 Division I programs. That equals 4563 players.

Thanks for the correction. UPDATE, as of today (March 23) there are now 211 transfers announced in D-1 hoops.

Further Update (March 26) There are now 241 transfers announced in D-1 hoops, including:

6 from Youngstown State,
6 from Maine,
7 from Pitt,
4 leaving The Citidel,
3 From Wyoming,
4 from Wake Forest,
4 USC Upstate,
3 San Jose State,
3 Oral Roberts,
4 NC State,
3 Louisiana Tech,
4 Fordham,
5 Evansville,
4 Dayton,
3 Cal Poly,
and 3 Bowling Green.

For those still paying attention, as of today (March 29), 311 Players have announced that they will transfer from their current Division 1 school.

Updated as of April 4, there are now 356 D-1 players intending to transfer to a new school, including Freshman 6-1 PG Tyler Maye from VCU.

Austin is also transferring, as expected. Leaves us with 3 open spots for the upcoming class (or 2, because Dylan technically has another year of eligibility). Hopefully Drew Peterson and a grad transfer. And if Dylan doesn't end up playing next year, wouldn't be opposed to a transfer who would have to sit out a year so we can balance classes.

(04-04-2018 10:27 AM)Kayjay Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 11:22 AM)Kayjay Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 11:02 AM)Kayjay Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 10:17 AM)Kayjay Wrote:  ... as of today (March 23) there are now 211 transfers announced in D-1 hoops.

Further Update (March 26) There are now 241 transfers announced in D-1 hoops,
...

For those still paying attention, as of today (March 29), 311 Players have announced that they will transfer from their current Division 1 school.

Updated as of April 4, there are now 356 D-1 players intending to transfer to a new school, ....

(04-04-2018 11:45 AM)elw4796 Wrote:  Austin is also transferring, as expected. ...

It would be interesting to know how many of these transfers are up to better/higher-rated programs ... and how many are downgrades.

Is there any data like that from last year, for example?

what a shame on austin (and all of them for that matter), always thought he had some potential. what a mess

(04-04-2018 11:45 AM)elw4796 Wrote:  Leaves us with 3 open spots for the upcoming class (or 2, because Dylan technically has another year of eligibility). Hopefully Drew Peterson and a grad transfer. And if Dylan doesn't end up playing next year, wouldn't be opposed to a transfer who would have to sit out a year so we can balance classes.

How confident are you about this? Just curious because I thought Lapray had been granted a 6th year, but I had not heard anything about Jones. Lapray missed more time at his previous stops than Jones. Jones played 3 full seasons, 4 games in another season, and sat out 1 season. Lapray played 2 half-seasons, a 1/3 season, 2 games in a season, and sat out 1 season.

(04-04-2018 03:10 PM)mrbig Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 11:45 AM)elw4796 Wrote:  Leaves us with 3 open spots for the upcoming class (or 2, because Dylan technically has another year of eligibility). Hopefully Drew Peterson and a grad transfer. And if Dylan doesn't end up playing next year, wouldn't be opposed to a transfer who would have to sit out a year so we can balance classes.

How confident are you about this? Just curious because I thought Lapray had been granted a 6th year, but I had not heard anything about Jones. Lapray missed more time at his previous stops than Jones. Jones played 3 full seasons, 4 games in another season, and sat out 1 season. Lapray played 2 half-seasons, a 1/3 season, 2 games in a season, and sat out 1 season.

Pretty certain, although I'm sure there could be some obscure NCAA rule that says otherwise. Assuming he took a medical hardship when he only played 4 games, he would've only exhausted three of his years.

(04-04-2018 12:46 PM)Almadenmike Wrote:  

(04-04-2018 10:27 AM)Kayjay Wrote:  

(03-29-2018 11:22 AM)Kayjay Wrote:  

(03-26-2018 11:02 AM)Kayjay Wrote:  

(03-23-2018 10:17 AM)Kayjay Wrote:  ... as of today (March 23) there are now 211 transfers announced in D-1 hoops.

Further Update (March 26) There are now 241 transfers announced in D-1 hoops,
...

For those still paying attention, as of today (March 29), 311 Players have announced that they will transfer from their current Division 1 school.

Updated as of April 4, there are now 356 D-1 players intending to transfer to a new school, ....

(04-04-2018 11:45 AM)elw4796 Wrote:  Austin is also transferring, as expected. ...

It would be interesting to know how many of these transfers are up to better/higher-rated programs ... and how many are downgrades.

Is there any data like that from last year, for example?

It is a great question. My sense is that the bulk of them are kids who get talked into going to a school and are recruited over, or just aren't as good as they thought, and rather than spend the rest of their career on the bench where they are, they go somewhere where they can play. That would include the 4 star kid who went to Kentucky and transferred to Loyola of Chicago, and the 2 or 3 kids who go to Duke every year as mere 4 stars, and then get passed over for the half-and-dones. I do not begrudge those guys.

There just is more publicity and hubbub over the guys that upgrade (Ennis and Obi from here, and so on). They are a rarer breed and are scurrilous wags in my opinion. Some coach saw something in them and took a chance on them and let them play and develop, and they return the favor by bolting the first chance they get.

Osborne offered by UCSB
https://twitter.com/in_n_out_22/status/9...74753?s=21

Quote:My sense is that the bulk of them are kids who get talked into going to a school

Quite often, when we lose a touted recruit to a school far away, I hold out some hope than in a couple of years, we will get them back.

"Men's Basketball Ball Boy to Transfer"

https://issuu.com/ricetrasher/docs/180331thresh (see page 4)