(03-19-2018 01:58 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 01:50 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Those steel cables don't work. Mostly they cause damage to cars that would be avoided from not tangling with them.

They're especially problematic up north with all the slide-offs due to ice and snow covered roads. Do nothing but tear up bumpers and side panels.

Was driving home in a downpour where they were installing these. Stretch they weren't up in yet. Spun my truck half a dozen times and ended in the median. Drove out and continued home zero damage. A few weeks later wouldn't have been so lucky.

(03-19-2018 01:54 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 01:50 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Those steel cables don't work. Mostly they cause damage to cars that would be avoided from not tangling with them.

I wouldn't say that they don't work because I have seen plenty of times they have prevented a crossover. But they aren't anywhere near as foolproof as the designers and DOT likes to make them out to be, and simple physics will tell you that there's no way that they are going to stop most loaded tractor trailers simply because the mass and velocity of the truck is going to overcome a few poles usually driven in the ground without concrete.

The ones on I40 have worked, and have been fool-proof so far since I have been driving regularly through there. (Since about 2012 and the newer guards, not the older ones.) Every time I drive to Nashville or back, I can see a tractor trailer thats been snared. Before they put these in place, there was at least a 25% chance I would be delayed an hour or more waiting for a medivac chopper to airlift someone from the interstate. But, they are more for cars that end up crossing over than big rigs, as they are only limited in what they can do for the really heavy vehicles.

They probably arent for everywhere. In the case of the ones on I40, if a car were to snag on one of them, then it worked. There is no way I want a car swerving off the median to where they could get snagged and not get snagged. At that point, its 50/50 that the driver overcorrects and side slams traffic on their side of the highway, or skids out of control into oncoming traffic. If a car were to ever make it to where the cable barrier is, then the outcome was going to be bad. I40 is especially bad due to the very high speeds some people drive, and the very hilly, curvy, and narrow passages it has.

That being said, most of the wrecks on I40 are due to cars crossing over and hitting traffic rather than 18 wheelers crossing over and hitting traffic. For those, the cable barriers do a lot of good

(03-19-2018 01:38 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  Never want to see injuries or deaths, but a part of me is glad these death traps are being exposed now before the number of fatalities get out of control. Hopefully they never really ever see the road.

And this is merely an accident. Wait until the Russians hack the driverless cars. (realistically its far more likely the Iranians or North Koreans do it).

(03-19-2018 01:13 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 01:09 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  who’d a thunk it???

I’m in the field now....

I’m certain you guys will dig up more info until I get home....

Gotcha covered Stinky!

It was a cyclist and not a pedestrian

https://electrek.co/2018/03/19/uber-self...sh-police/

Quote:Local news in Tempe, Arizona are reporting a Uber self-driving prototype was involved in a fatal crash with a cyclist. Local police are currently investigating.

The accident reportedly occurred early this morning at the corner of Mill Avenue and Curry Road. According to Tempe Police, a woman with a bicycle was crossing the street at a cross walk when she was struck by the Uber self-driving prototype on autonomous mode with a Uber employee at the wheel.

She was taken to the hospital, but she later died from her injuries, according to ABC15.

The police are now investigating the accident and Uber said it was cooperating with the authorities.

Quote:The company has been highly criticized for their self-driving effort, which was kickstarted by their acquisition of Otto, which in turn led them to be sued by Google’s Waymo over the theft of the technology – a lawsuit that the companies recently settled after Uber paid $250 million to Waymo.

When first testing their cars in California, they had some issues with the authorities which led the California DMV to shut down Uber’s unlicensed self-driving car program in reaction to footage of a prototype running a red light in front of a pedestrian.

The company claimed that the vehicle was being driven by the engineer at the time it ran a red light, but other reports contradicted Uber’s statement.

It led to them moving most of their effort to Arizona, where one of their prototypes was quickly involved in an accident – though the police said Uber was not at fault.

And now this tragic fatal accident that is adding to Uber’s long list of problems with their self-driving vehicle program.

Pedestrian according to this article:
http://www.businessinsider.com/uber-ariz...ort-2018-3

"...We wanted to provide an update to the Uber accident that occurred overnight on Mill Ave. just south of Curry Rd. The vehicle involved is one of Uber's self-driving vehicles. It was in autonomous mode at the time of the collision, with a vehicle operator behind the wheel. The vehicle was traveling northbound just south of Curry Rd. when a female walking outside of the crosswalk cross the road from west to east when she was struck by the Uber vehicle...."

(03-19-2018 02:35 PM)bullet Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 01:13 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 01:09 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  who’d a thunk it???

I’m in the field now....

I’m certain you guys will dig up more info until I get home....

Gotcha covered Stinky!

It was a cyclist and not a pedestrian

https://electrek.co/2018/03/19/uber-self...sh-police/

Quote:Local news in Tempe, Arizona are reporting a Uber self-driving prototype was involved in a fatal crash with a cyclist. Local police are currently investigating.

The accident reportedly occurred early this morning at the corner of Mill Avenue and Curry Road. According to Tempe Police, a woman with a bicycle was crossing the street at a cross walk when she was struck by the Uber self-driving prototype on autonomous mode with a Uber employee at the wheel.

She was taken to the hospital, but she later died from her injuries, according to ABC15.

The police are now investigating the accident and Uber said it was cooperating with the authorities.

Quote:The company has been highly criticized for their self-driving effort, which was kickstarted by their acquisition of Otto, which in turn led them to be sued by Google’s Waymo over the theft of the technology – a lawsuit that the companies recently settled after Uber paid $250 million to Waymo.

When first testing their cars in California, they had some issues with the authorities which led the California DMV to shut down Uber’s unlicensed self-driving car program in reaction to footage of a prototype running a red light in front of a pedestrian.

The company claimed that the vehicle was being driven by the engineer at the time it ran a red light, but other reports contradicted Uber’s statement.

It led to them moving most of their effort to Arizona, where one of their prototypes was quickly involved in an accident – though the police said Uber was not at fault.

And now this tragic fatal accident that is adding to Uber’s long list of problems with their self-driving vehicle program.

Pedestrian according to this article:
http://www.businessinsider.com/uber-ariz...ort-2018-3

"...We wanted to provide an update to the Uber accident that occurred overnight on Mill Ave. just south of Curry Rd. The vehicle involved is one of Uber's self-driving vehicles. It was in autonomous mode at the time of the collision, with a vehicle operator behind the wheel. The vehicle was traveling northbound just south of Curry Rd. when a female walking outside of the crosswalk cross the road from west to east when she was struck by the Uber vehicle...."

Just look at the electronics required. I go through an oxygen sensor just about every year. The result is poor gas mileage. What happens when one of the hundreds of sensors on one of these things meant to avert a crash fails? What about a battery strong enough to run the car, but not strong enough to run the systems? Ive had a rough idle due to a corroded battery terminal. Hacking is honestly the least of my concern.

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You guys are so inconsistent. She was crossing the street outside of the crosswalk - I'd expect you to say she deserved it.

(03-19-2018 01:18 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Garbage company with a race to the bottom business model. They pay their drivers pennies, and are actively working to even cut that cost. A significant portion (I believe it's 35% or so) actually lose money after you figure in depreciation.

Sue them out of existence, we'll all be better off.

The corporation is never to blame...get it straight.

(03-19-2018 04:46 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  You guys are so inconsistent. She was crossing the street outside of the crosswalk - I'd expect you to say she deserved it.

But no one said that.

(03-19-2018 04:46 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  You guys are so inconsistent. She was crossing the street outside of the crosswalk - I'd expect you to say she deserved it.

Driverless cars on ****** roads. What could go wrong

https://cantorlawgroup.com/news-articles...mpe-150000

Amazing we ever got past the whip and buggy. Thinking they've started pumping aerosol soy into the air.

I'm never going to get my flying car with you all fighting advancements on the roads.

"2016 data shows 37,461 people were killed in 34,436 motor vehicle crashes, an average of 102 per day."
"Records indicate that there has been a total of 3,613,732 motor vehicle fatalities in the United States from 1899 to 2013."

But lets stop progressing over 1.

(03-20-2018 09:05 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Amazing we ever got past the whip and buggy. Thinking they've started pumping aerosol soy into the air.

I'm never going to get my flying car with you all fighting advancements on the roads.

"2016 data shows 37,461 people were killed in 34,436 motor vehicle crashes, an average of 102 per day."
"Records indicate that there has been a total of 3,613,732 motor vehicle fatalities in the United States from 1899 to 2013."

But lets stop progressing over 1.

I don't care what factor of safety is claimed vs. human error....it's infrastructure and other objects that can't be factored in.....

why did the woman get hit.....something failed....so what if she wasn't in a crosswalk.....

what happens if a critter runs out in the road and I hve to make a choice between killing the critter, veering into oncoming, or option 3 that takes mee off the cliff...

what happens during a blowout or any other malfunction....

what happens when your city has so many potholes that driving the obstacle course is to the point where even the cops have to do it....

what happens when traffic slows to a crawl b/c of strict programming and I decide to simply take the driverless car out of the equation....

there are so many other ways this can get screwed up.....

oh yeah, on a percentage basis, how does this 'one' compare to all others???

I'll take my chances with people every day and the eighth one....

(03-20-2018 09:05 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Amazing we ever got past the whip and buggy. Thinking they've started pumping aerosol soy into the air.

I'm never going to get my flying car with you all fighting advancements on the roads.

"2016 data shows 37,461 people were killed in 34,436 motor vehicle crashes, an average of 102 per day."
"Records indicate that there has been a total of 3,613,732 motor vehicle fatalities in the United States from 1899 to 2013."

But lets stop progressing over 1.

How many miles a day are humans driving to accumulate those 102 deaths?

Is the ratio greater or less than the ratio of miles driven for autonomous vehicles?

(03-20-2018 11:18 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(03-20-2018 09:05 PM)Paul M Wrote:  Amazing we ever got past the whip and buggy. Thinking they've started pumping aerosol soy into the air.

I'm never going to get my flying car with you all fighting advancements on the roads.

"2016 data shows 37,461 people were killed in 34,436 motor vehicle crashes, an average of 102 per day."
"Records indicate that there has been a total of 3,613,732 motor vehicle fatalities in the United States from 1899 to 2013."

But lets stop progressing over 1.

How many miles a day are humans driving to accumulate those 102 deaths?

Is the ratio greater or less than the ratio of miles driven for autonomous vehicles?

it's insane whatever money and where it's coming from that is driving this to implementation way before it should never happen.....

this is one of the engineering dickings of all time engineering dickings....

anyone that has bought into this concept is somebody I never want to meet........ever.....

there's a reason I own a 95 gmc pick-em up with a 350 5.7l and had my mechanic replace my entire front end system last night.....

these dipshites that think tech is their savior are only asking for failure down 'road'......

#fknmorons

#rectalrecallheaven

#replacemtpartheaven

#subparengineering

there are better ways to merge existing with current discovery......

there's simply too much money pushing the button these days.....

Quote:"...We wanted to provide an update to the Uber accident that occurred overnight on Mill Ave. just south of Curry Rd. The vehicle involved is one of Uber's self-driving vehicles. It was in autonomous mode at the time of the collision, with a vehicle operator behind the wheel. The vehicle was traveling northbound just south of Curry Rd. when a female walking outside of the crosswalk cross the road from west to east when she was struck by the Uber vehicle...."

The fact that she was outside of a crosswalk means the car was not at fault. If a pedestrian walks out in front of you and you hit them and its not in a cross walk, you are not at fault. Also... lets look at the figures of how many people are hit my human drivers for a second to see how often this happens.

Quote:In 2015, 5,376 pedestrians were killed in traffic crashes in the United States. This averages to one crash-related pedestrian death every 1.6 hours.

Source: https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/p...index.html

Uber is not at fault. I kinda wish they were, I hate uber. It's a sh*tty company and they treat their workers like crap... but in this instance they are not the ones at fault.

(03-20-2018 11:59 PM)q5sys Wrote:  

Quote:"...We wanted to provide an update to the Uber accident that occurred overnight on Mill Ave. just south of Curry Rd. The vehicle involved is one of Uber's self-driving vehicles. It was in autonomous mode at the time of the collision, with a vehicle operator behind the wheel. The vehicle was traveling northbound just south of Curry Rd. when a female walking outside of the crosswalk cross the road from west to east when she was struck by the Uber vehicle...."

The fact that she was outside of a crosswalk means the car was not at fault. If a pedestrian walks out in front of you and you hit them and its not in a cross walk, you are not at fault. Also... lets look at the figures of how many people are hit my human drivers for a second to see how often this happens.

Quote:In 2015, 5,376 pedestrians were killed in traffic crashes in the United States.1 This averages to one crash-related pedestrian death every 1.6 hours.

Source: https://www.cdc.gov/motorvehiclesafety/p...index.html

Uber is not at fault. I kinda wish they were, I hate uber. It's a ****** company and they treat their workers like crap... but in this instance they are not the ones at fault.

I heard that bs this a.m......that's a horseshite excuse to protect the stock....read between the 'lines' (pardon the pun)

it's not about uber......it's about the tech vs. human ability to react....

~25 yrs. ago, I had some drunk dipshite straddling the dotted line in front of a bar on a 45 mph state hwy at 2 a.m.....I missed him by inches.....b/c I was behind the wheel, he lived to see another day....if 'it' would've simply been a critter, I would've flat out ran his arse over.....tell me how you program that bs.....

it's the tech that only has the ability to recognize whatever is programmed.....the variables are fk'n endless of thingys that can go wrong....

I couldn't give two shites about uber and their liability.....

btw, they've suspended that program (for now).....

Tempe police chief says early probe shows no fault by Uber

https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/art...765481.php

(03-21-2018 07:28 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  Tempe police chief says early probe shows no fault by Uber

https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/art...765481.php

Makes sense if the person just walked out into the road etc. The car may have been able to drive itself but there was in fact a person behind the wheel. IMO, based on current info this incident, while unfortunate, is typical of accidents that happen every day between normal vehicles and pedestrians and the "autonomous" part of this vehicle didn't play a part in the incident.

(03-21-2018 07:47 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 07:28 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  Tempe police chief says early probe shows no fault by Uber

https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/art...765481.php

Makes sense if the person just walked out into the road etc. The car may have been able to drive itself but there was in fact a person behind the wheel. IMO, based on current info this incident, while unfortunate, is typical of accidents that happen every day between normal vehicles and pedestrians and the "autonomous" part of this vehicle didn't play a part in the incident.

so essentially that leads to one death is no different than the other....

full implementation is beyond scary the way I play it out in my feeble mind....

another simple example would be to acknowledge this 'one offing' is a simple indicator how it can be used in a variety of ways if hacked.....

fk that......fk that bs all day long....

no way I buy into this horseshite......short term/long term/any term.....

we aren't designed to function this way as a species......

(03-21-2018 07:55 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 07:47 AM)VA49er Wrote:  

(03-21-2018 07:28 AM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  Tempe police chief says early probe shows no fault by Uber

https://www.sfchronicle.com/business/art...765481.php

Makes sense if the person just walked out into the road etc. The car may have been able to drive itself but there was in fact a person behind the wheel. IMO, based on current info this incident, while unfortunate, is typical of accidents that happen every day between normal vehicles and pedestrians and the "autonomous" part of this vehicle didn't play a part in the incident.

so essentially that leads to one death is no different than the other....

full implementation is beyond scary the way I play it out in my feeble mind....

another simple example would be to acknowledge this 'one offing' is a simple indicator how it can be used in a variety of ways if hacked.....

fk that......fk that bs all day long....

no way I buy into this horseshite......short term/long term/any term.....

we aren't designed to function this way as a species......

Oh I agree but not getting into all the "hack" stuff as that also played no part in this accident. Driver-less cars, IMO, will be an option, but folks will still hopefully be able to choose to drive normal autos. I was just saying that in this accident the driverless aspect played no part. The thread title is also incorrect given there was an actual driver in the vehicle and another example of folks jumping to conclusions without knowing the relevant facts.