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OH MY!

A tough loss with lots of different angles to judge it from. For me, another game where our offense disappeared for a long stretch (this time, the games final 12 minutes). A problem all too common for my Cats the past few years.

Congratulations are in order for the two championships (regular season and conference tournament) the team won. In addition, winning 30 games is tough to do in any league.

On to next year, where my biggest fear is our focus will be working to improve our defense.

(03-18-2018 09:01 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-18-2018 08:54 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(03-18-2018 08:50 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-18-2018 08:49 PM)bearcatfan Wrote:  

(03-18-2018 07:30 PM)Bearcat01 Wrote:  Cumberland 5th foul got the best of Mick. He stopped coaching at that point.

He stopped earlier than that. Nevada's coach made adjustments. As they wiped out a 22 point lead in record time Cronin didn't do anything. He was shell shocked.

Yep. Mick was outcoached.

Mick has been excellent at half-time adjustments. But in game adjustments are a weakness. I would like to know what he was thinking during Nevada's run, he needed to try something different (Scott in for Washington being the obvious solution, seeing as he did that quite a bit in the first half) and instead changed nothing.

With a lead in the second half he calculates how many possessions are left using 30 sec increments and milks the clock once he gets to where he thinks a lead is insurmountable. He has done this time and time again this season. It's essentially the basketball version of a prevent defense...
and it has come close to blowing up in his face a number of times and tonight flat out blew up in his face in an epic historic way.
Marvin Lewis would be proud of the prevent defense.

Biggest mistake in coaching is to run the clock down when you think you have an insurmountable lead. No, just keep doing whatever got you the lead, and don’t let up.

(03-18-2018 09:18 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(03-18-2018 09:01 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-18-2018 08:54 PM)skyblade Wrote:  

(03-18-2018 08:50 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-18-2018 08:49 PM)bearcatfan Wrote:  He stopped earlier than that. Nevada's coach made adjustments. As they wiped out a 22 point lead in record time Cronin didn't do anything. He was shell shocked.

Yep. Mick was outcoached.

Mick has been excellent at half-time adjustments. But in game adjustments are a weakness. I would like to know what he was thinking during Nevada's run, he needed to try something different (Scott in for Washington being the obvious solution, seeing as he did that quite a bit in the first half) and instead changed nothing.

With a lead in the second half he calculates how many possessions are left using 30 sec increments and milks the clock once he gets to where he thinks a lead is insurmountable. He has done this time and time again this season. It's essentially the basketball version of a prevent defense...
and it has come close to blowing up in his face a number of times and tonight flat out blew up in his face in an epic historic way.
Marvin Lewis would be proud of the prevent defense.

Biggest mistake in coaching is to run the clock down when you think you have an insurmountable lead. No, just keep doing whatever got you the lead, and don’t let up.

Yep. We saw it over and over again. Rather than keeping his foot on he gas with a lead he will have the pg bring the ball down and pass it around until late in the shot clock to limit possessions. Works if you keep scoring. Does't if you dont.

The season is too GD long

I realize this may not make any of you feel any better, but Nevada has come from behind in several games going back the last two years, including being down by 15 with 2 minutes left in the Pit last year. They just don't quit. Muss is a good coach, and once he told his guys to speed the game up in the second half, it was the beginning of the end. But I saw some of your comments about taking the heat away from Virginia, and no, it's not even close. #1 seed Virginia lost to a team I had never even heard of, whereas Cincy lost to a good Nevada team, who lost their point guard a month ago, and had time to adjust. They are well conditioned, and have been playing a short rotation all year.

With that said, your coach was out coached..it happens.

(03-18-2018 09:34 PM)4UNLV Wrote:  I realize this may not make any of you feel any better, but Nevada has come from behind in several games going back the last two years, including being down by 15 with 2 minutes left in the Pit last year. They just don't quit. Muss is a good coach, and once he told his guys to speed the game up in the second half, it was the beginning of the end. But I saw some of your comments about taking the heat away from Virginia, and no, it's not even close. #1 seed Virginia lost to a team I had never even heard of, whereas Cincy lost to a good Nevada team, who lost their point guard a month ago, and had time to adjust. They are well conditioned, and have been playing a short rotation all year.

With that said, your coach was out coached..it happens.

That is part of what sucks as a fan of UC in this game...
we all knew Nevada had come back from down 25 this year.
we saw them come back on UT on friday night.
and yet our coach played like he had a big enough lead to milk it and win.
our fanbase isn't mad at Nevada.
we are mad at Cronin for poor coaching.

(03-18-2018 08:45 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-18-2018 08:39 PM)CincyBro Wrote:  Maybe we should start hanging "Round of 32" banners.....

12 years. Just 1 SS. Let that sink in.
How many years does Mick get to prove he can win in march?
Or if UC keeps Mick is UC saying we as fans should just shut up and just be satisfied with winning the AAC?

Just 2 Sweet 16s in 21 years plus 7 straight 2nd round exits as a 4 seed or higher. I'm sick of the defensive street ball style of basketball that does not win in March.

Bad Loss....
Good Luck to Gary Clark!

Ohio State had John Cooper, couldn't beat Michigan or win the big one.
We've got Mick Cronin who can't beat Xavier and can't win the big one.

Should've expected it with the Xavier Curse in the same house with us.

Tom Crean is off of the board.

(03-18-2018 09:39 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-18-2018 09:34 PM)4UNLV Wrote:  I realize this may not make any of you feel any better, but Nevada has come from behind in several games going back the last two years, including being down by 15 with 2 minutes left in the Pit last year. They just don't quit. Muss is a good coach, and once he told his guys to speed the game up in the second half, it was the beginning of the end. But I saw some of your comments about taking the heat away from Virginia, and no, it's not even close. #1 seed Virginia lost to a team I had never even heard of, whereas Cincy lost to a good Nevada team, who lost their point guard a month ago, and had time to adjust. They are well conditioned, and have been playing a short rotation all year.

With that said, your coach was out coached..it happens.

That is part of what sucks as a fan of UC in this game...
we all knew Nevada had come back from down 25 this year.
we saw them come back on UT on friday night.
and yet our coach played like he had a big enough lead to milk it and win.
our fanbase isn't mad at Nevada.
we are mad at Cronin for poor coaching.

I don't blame you for being mad at your coach. TBH, I'm glad he was just using us to get an extension. But I think Fresno is looking for a new coach, you should see if you can send him there.

(03-18-2018 10:30 PM)4UNLV Wrote:  

(03-18-2018 09:39 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-18-2018 09:34 PM)4UNLV Wrote:  I realize this may not make any of you feel any better, but Nevada has come from behind in several games going back the last two years, including being down by 15 with 2 minutes left in the Pit last year. They just don't quit. Muss is a good coach, and once he told his guys to speed the game up in the second half, it was the beginning of the end. But I saw some of your comments about taking the heat away from Virginia, and no, it's not even close. #1 seed Virginia lost to a team I had never even heard of, whereas Cincy lost to a good Nevada team, who lost their point guard a month ago, and had time to adjust. They are well conditioned, and have been playing a short rotation all year.

With that said, your coach was out coached..it happens.

That is part of what sucks as a fan of UC in this game...
we all knew Nevada had come back from down 25 this year.
we saw them come back on UT on friday night.
and yet our coach played like he had a big enough lead to milk it and win.
our fanbase isn't mad at Nevada.
we are mad at Cronin for poor coaching.

I don't blame you for being mad at your coach. TBH, I'm glad he was just using us to get an extension. But I think Fresno is looking for a new coach, you should see if you can send him there.

Meanwhile, the HoF coach we fired is going to another S16.

(03-18-2018 10:33 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(03-18-2018 10:30 PM)4UNLV Wrote:  

(03-18-2018 09:39 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-18-2018 09:34 PM)4UNLV Wrote:  I realize this may not make any of you feel any better, but Nevada has come from behind in several games going back the last two years, including being down by 15 with 2 minutes left in the Pit last year. They just don't quit. Muss is a good coach, and once he told his guys to speed the game up in the second half, it was the beginning of the end. But I saw some of your comments about taking the heat away from Virginia, and no, it's not even close. #1 seed Virginia lost to a team I had never even heard of, whereas Cincy lost to a good Nevada team, who lost their point guard a month ago, and had time to adjust. They are well conditioned, and have been playing a short rotation all year.

With that said, your coach was out coached..it happens.

That is part of what sucks as a fan of UC in this game...
we all knew Nevada had come back from down 25 this year.
we saw them come back on UT on friday night.
and yet our coach played like he had a big enough lead to milk it and win.
our fanbase isn't mad at Nevada.
we are mad at Cronin for poor coaching.

I don't blame you for being mad at your coach. TBH, I'm glad he was just using us to get an extension. But I think Fresno is looking for a new coach, you should see if you can send him there.

Meanwhile, the HoF coach we fired is going to another S16.

Huggy Bear is one heck of a coach.

I am laying in bed literally laughing out loud at how we crumbled today. Hopefully after this loss I will decide to finally get a life.

(03-18-2018 11:14 PM)DownOnRohs Wrote:  I am laying in bed literally laughing out loud at how we crumbled today. Hopefully after this loss I will decide to finally get a life.

You and me both.

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(03-18-2018 10:33 PM)Former Lurker Wrote:  

(03-18-2018 10:30 PM)4UNLV Wrote:  

(03-18-2018 09:39 PM)mptnstr@44 Wrote:  

(03-18-2018 09:34 PM)4UNLV Wrote:  I realize this may not make any of you feel any better, but Nevada has come from behind in several games going back the last two years, including being down by 15 with 2 minutes left in the Pit last year. They just don't quit. Muss is a good coach, and once he told his guys to speed the game up in the second half, it was the beginning of the end. But I saw some of your comments about taking the heat away from Virginia, and no, it's not even close. #1 seed Virginia lost to a team I had never even heard of, whereas Cincy lost to a good Nevada team, who lost their point guard a month ago, and had time to adjust. They are well conditioned, and have been playing a short rotation all year.

With that said, your coach was out coached..it happens.

That is part of what sucks as a fan of UC in this game...
we all knew Nevada had come back from down 25 this year.
we saw them come back on UT on friday night.
and yet our coach played like he had a big enough lead to milk it and win.
our fanbase isn't mad at Nevada.
we are mad at Cronin for poor coaching.

I don't blame you for being mad at your coach. TBH, I'm glad he was just using us to get an extension. But I think Fresno is looking for a new coach, you should see if you can send him there.

Meanwhile, the HoF coach we fired is going to another S16.

Huggins had a great run from 92 to 96 however he had 6 straight second round defeats as a 4 seed or higher, Cronin is just continuing the tradition of underachieving in March!

(03-18-2018 08:46 PM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  

(03-18-2018 08:42 PM)BearcatJerry Wrote:  Whelp...

This is as bad a day as I have seen.

Pretty much everything has been said that can be said on this one.

I'm closing the book on this game and this season and I am turning in for the day. So, an honest "Good Night" to you all out there. It was a helluva year and I've got to say that I do love this Bearcat team. Wish they would be playing next weekend, but...

'Night, y'all.

Post of the night. Beat Ohio State!

I can't believe I'm saying this, but Duane's prediction post can't come soon enough.

One more thought, our PGs are awful, just plain awful. Mick had 2 serious whiffs on both of these guys and failed to recognize this early on. Mick doesnt do this, but he should have brought in another PG with this past class instead of another project big. I believe that not having a PG has really held back Evan's and Cunberland. It is sad that most of the time Brokme and Jennifer aren't even capable of being the primary ball handler while they are playing. Weren't there rumors about Cane being able to hop to the NBA after this year? Unreal

I think posted in this thread UC would need to build and lead and hang on. Nevada was a great, amazing second half team this season. Yesterday was like 2002 all over again, UC controlled the game against UCLA but then the Bruins make their comeback and UC couldn't get stops.

On the Cronin side of things he really has an odd March resume.

0-4 against top line mid-majors.
0-4 against elite teams
4-0 against mid-level power conference teams
1-0 against low majors.

The common theme in the 8 losses is that those teams had elite shot making ability and could go on runs that UC couldn't stop.

(03-19-2018 06:45 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  I think posted in this thread UC would need to build and lead and hang on. Nevada was a great, amazing second half team this season. Yesterday was like 2002 all over again, UC controlled the game against UCLA but then the Bruins make their comeback and UC couldn't get stops.

On the Cronin side of things he really has an odd March resume.

0-4 against top line mid-majors.
0-4 against elite teams
4-0 against mid-level power conference teams
1-0 against low majors.

The common theme in the 8 losses is that those teams had elite shot making ability and could go on runs that UC couldn't stop.

Which is why you can't get by expecting to win games against elite shooting teams 60-55. At some mlm point you have to be able to match their shooting. Missed shots also lead to run outs and 3s in transition. Mick will never figure this out.

(03-19-2018 07:11 AM)jarr Wrote:  

(03-19-2018 06:45 AM)bearcatlawjd2 Wrote:  I think posted in this thread UC would need to build and lead and hang on. Nevada was a great, amazing second half team this season. Yesterday was like 2002 all over again, UC controlled the game against UCLA but then the Bruins make their comeback and UC couldn't get stops.

On the Cronin side of things he really has an odd March resume.

0-4 against top line mid-majors.
0-4 against elite teams
4-0 against mid-level power conference teams
1-0 against low majors.

The common theme in the 8 losses is that those teams had elite shot making ability and could go on runs that UC couldn't stop.

Which is why you can't get by expecting to win games against elite shooting teams 60-55. At some mlm point you have to be able to match their shooting. Missed shots also lead to run outs and 3s in transition. Mick will never figure this out.

It isn't just offense but UC has struggled to slow those other teams down. It also why Xavier seems to have UC's number. Cats also went 0-2 against Butler and New Mexico teams in non-conference play as well when they played them. Good news is that UC gets three chances against at home next year against Xavier, UCLA, and Ohio State. All three are going to be top level offenses unless their major coaching and personal changes at those schools. I also believe the Cats need to schedule better in the non-conference. I would call up Nevada and ask for a home and home rematch. Go play Gonzaga or St. Mary's. Somehow they need to figure how to take down that type of team that always gives UC trouble.