(03-10-2018 02:11 AM)inductchuck16 Wrote:  

(03-09-2018 11:42 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  

(03-09-2018 11:29 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  

(03-09-2018 11:10 PM)TheWoodenNickle Wrote:  

(03-09-2018 10:59 PM)H2Oville Rocket Wrote:  Seriously? I thought it was about average. They let them play, which I like. Didn’t notice any aggregious missed calls. What was so awful? BTW, you have a helluva Jackson, too.

Seriously. Explain to us how Thompson getting dragged down by knapke is a foul on Thompson. And watch the final play of the game. You'll see Bond get hammered in the back. He should have been shooting free throws. Good luck with Buffalo. You'll need it.

I suspect your disappointment in the outcome has colored your assessment of the officiating. I’ve seen a dozen MAC games more poorly officiated than this one. Which calls that went EMU’s way did you feel sucked? Refs could have called two or three every time Knapke got the ball low but it’s a physical game, they let them play and they were consistent. When Thompson elbowed Knapke and Knapke pulled him down I think they felt they needed to clean it up a little.

Refs can not make that call on Thompson plain and simple. The refs wanted to get face time on TV.

The game wasn't even on TV

Don’t confuse our new Rocket fan with facts, Chuck.

(03-10-2018 06:57 AM)pono Wrote:  As for this thread you all rocket faithless are pathetic. I read it from start of game to final play and nearly no one said a good thing about a rocket play or even mentioned we were winning (until late in the game). Have some faith. That was a good opponent and we beat them with our star hurt. we had some guys play with a lot of courage and even the guys who struggled didn't quit. maybe, saturday, all the shots fall.

True, very true. My thoughts exactly. Though, my thoughts have a lot more cuss words in them.

(03-10-2018 07:46 AM)toledobrad Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 06:57 AM)pono Wrote:  As for this thread you all rocket faithless are pathetic. I read it from start of game to final play and nearly no one said a good thing about a rocket play or even mentioned we were winning (until late in the game). Have some faith. That was a good opponent and we beat them with our star hurt. we had some guys play with a lot of courage and even the guys who struggled didn't quit. maybe, saturday, all the shots fall.

True, very true. My thoughts exactly. Though, my thoughts have a lot more cuss words in them.

Me too. The Rockets deserve a lot more credit than they are getting from many on this board.

There were several positive comments about good rebounding, running the offense through the post, shooting, M Jackson’s play, etc. I think the rest (and most negative comments were deservedly about the miserable feed- Gods of War is completely ruined for me) was a natural defensive reaction to “are we going to see the same thing again” and not wanting to get too excited. I loved the Jacksons and Knapke having huge games to offset Tre’absence. That is a very good defensive team that EMU has.

(03-10-2018 06:57 AM)pono Wrote:  Officiating wise EMU was very physical and only got called for 12 fouls. there was a lot of contact on blocked shots that the refs let go because it was clean on the ball. That helped EMU. The refs allowed some contact by defenders on closing shooters. This generally helped EMU because they close out better than toledo. Two of the first 3 calls on Thompson were obvious. One was iffy. The T was his fault. Don't yell stuff at the opposing coach while he's having a conversation with the referee. The 5th foul had to be double foul once they blew the whistle. You can't call it on Knapke only, because thompson is pulling knack's arm at the beginning and middle of the tussle. You can call it only on Thompson's because Knapke pulls on him and then tries to draw a foul at the end. The only other option would have been if the refs had immediately blown the whistle and stood each player up and warned them they were on the cusp of a tech and inbounded the ball. As soon as they went to the monitor you had to call double foul. As for the end of the game. Shot was on the rim 7 seconds after inbound. Bond's rebound should not have even happened. And there's no way you give them the game on body contact jostling for a frantic rebound-grow up Lucky.

The other note on officiating is that it cost UT Tre Fletcher. The refs allowed Miami to undercut rocket players on defense all game in the quarters and as it hit crunch time they got away several times not giving a player room to land on a shoot. So, they continued too do it and that's how they hurt Fletcher you got contact from 2 miami players, one on each leg, as he tried to land after a shot.

As for this thread you all rocket faithless are pathetic. I read it from start of game to final play and nearly no one said a good thing about a rocket play or even mentioned we were winning (until late in the game). Have some faith. That was a good opponent and we beat them with our star hurt. we had some guys play with a lot of courage and even the guys who struggled didn't quit. maybe, saturday, all the shots fall.

Some of us weren't able to post until after the game's stream ended.

(03-10-2018 06:57 AM)pono Wrote:  The other note on officiating is that it cost UT Tre Fletcher. The refs allowed Miami to undercut rocket players on defense all game in the quarters and as it hit crunch time they got away several times not giving a player room to land on a shoot.

and you're calling others "pathetic?" Come on back to reason. Kid got hurt making a legit play, against legit defense. It happens.

I took a nap around 6pm to plan to watch the game at 1:30 on TV. It all worked out, until Fletcher went down early in the game and Toledo turned the ball over something like 3 straight times down the court. So I set the DVR and went to sleep. Watched the recording this morning - and started fast forwarding after EMU took the lead. Saw they got up to a 5 point lead and figured it was over. Imagine my surprise when I fast forwarded to the point where there was 29 seconds left and it was tied up. Watched the end and I'm still thinking somebody messed with my recording and I'll find out when the final starts tonight that EMU actually won this game.

Still can't believe it. And the game clock manager might miss the bus ride back to Ypsi. They tried their best to give EMU an extra 2 seconds to score.

As for the few posts I've read so far - is this EMU fan seriously thinking he can convince us that the refs were in the tank for the Rockets? Of the 34 minutes I actually watched, it would have had to been overwhelmingly bad calls in that last 6 minutes to sway the poor officiating to that point to the side of the Rockets. I may watch it later tonight to see what I missed - but I doubt it.

Great win. Marrion Jackson was the difference. And Fletcher was on a pace to score 160 points last night when he went down :30 seconds into the game with 2 points. So EMU fans avoided a major embarrassment with that injury.

(03-10-2018 09:15 AM)MotoRocket Wrote:  I took a nap around 6pm to plan to watch the game at 1:30 on TV. It all worked out, until Fletcher went down early in the game and Toledo turned the ball over something like 3 straight times down the court. So I set the DVR and went to sleep. Watched the recording this morning - and started fast forwarding after EMU took the lead. Saw they got up to a 5 point lead and figured it was over. Imagine my surprise when I fast forwarded to the point where there was 29 seconds left and it was tied up. Watched the end and I'm still thinking somebody messed with my recording and I'll find out when the final starts tonight that EMU actually won this game.

Still can't believe it. And the game clock manager might miss the bus ride back to Ypsi. They tried their best to give EMU an extra 2 seconds to score.

As for the few posts I've read so far - is this EMU fan seriously thinking he can convince us that the refs were in the tank for the Rockets? Of the 34 minutes I actually watched, it would have had to been overwhelmingly bad calls in that last 6 minutes to sway the poor officiating to that point to the side of the Rockets. I may watch it later tonight to see what I missed - but I doubt it.

Great win. Marrion Jackson was the difference. And Fletcher was on a pace to score 160 points last night when he went down :30 seconds into the game with 2 points. So EMU fans avoided a major embarrassment with that injury.

So, did you rewind and watch from the beginning?

I'm bummed because I did stay up, watched it on-line, it was free on CBS. I made it to the first half then lost the fight. Woke up this morning and cannot find it anywhere on-line.

(03-10-2018 06:57 AM)pono Wrote:  Officiating wise EMU was very physical and only got called for 12 fouls. there was a lot of contact on blocked shots that the refs let go because it was clean on the ball. That helped EMU. The refs allowed some contact by defenders on closing shooters. This generally helped EMU because they close out better than toledo. Two of the first 3 calls on Thompson were obvious. One was iffy. The T was his fault. Don't yell stuff at the opposing coach while he's having a conversation with the referee. The 5th foul had to be double foul once they blew the whistle. You can't call it on Knapke only, because thompson is pulling knack's arm at the beginning and middle of the tussle. You can call it only on Thompson's because Knapke pulls on him and then tries to draw a foul at the end. The only other option would have been if the refs had immediately blown the whistle and stood each player up and warned them they were on the cusp of a tech and inbounded the ball. As soon as they went to the monitor you had to call double foul. As for the end of the game. Shot was on the rim 7 seconds after inbound. Bond's rebound should not have even happened. And there's no way you give them the game on body contact jostling for a frantic rebound-grow up Lucky.

The other note on officiating is that it cost UT Tre Fletcher. The refs allowed Miami to undercut rocket players on defense all game in the quarters and as it hit crunch time they got away several times not giving a player room to land on a shoot. So, they continued too do it and that's how they hurt Fletcher you got contact from 2 miami players, one on each leg, as he tried to land after a shot.

As for this thread you all rocket faithless are pathetic. I read it from start of game to final play and nearly no one said a good thing about a rocket play or even mentioned we were winning (until late in the game). Have some faith. That was a good opponent and we beat them with our star hurt. we had some guys play with a lot of courage and even the guys who struggled didn't quit. maybe, saturday, all the shots fall.

I don't think the "fans" are pathetic. It's a reaction to decades of disappointment, and seeing bad plays, even in a win, reminds us that we are just a few mistakes from another unfulfilled season.

(03-10-2018 09:22 AM)eastisbest Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 09:15 AM)MotoRocket Wrote:  I took a nap around 6pm to plan to watch the game at 1:30 on TV. It all worked out, until Fletcher went down early in the game and Toledo turned the ball over something like 3 straight times down the court. So I set the DVR and went to sleep. Watched the recording this morning - and started fast forwarding after EMU took the lead. Saw they got up to a 5 point lead and figured it was over. Imagine my surprise when I fast forwarded to the point where there was 29 seconds left and it was tied up. Watched the end and I'm still thinking somebody messed with my recording and I'll find out when the final starts tonight that EMU actually won this game.

Still can't believe it. And the game clock manager might miss the bus ride back to Ypsi. They tried their best to give EMU an extra 2 seconds to score.

As for the few posts I've read so far - is this EMU fan seriously thinking he can convince us that the refs were in the tank for the Rockets? Of the 34 minutes I actually watched, it would have had to been overwhelmingly bad calls in that last 6 minutes to sway the poor officiating to that point to the side of the Rockets. I may watch it later tonight to see what I missed - but I doubt it.

Great win. Marrion Jackson was the difference. And Fletcher was on a pace to score 160 points last night when he went down :30 seconds into the game with 2 points. So EMU fans avoided a major embarrassment with that injury.

So, did you rewind and watch from the beginning?

I'm bummed because I did stay up, watched it on-line, it was free on CBS. I made it to the first half then lost the fight. Woke up this morning and cannot find it anywhere on-line.

Yep - started from the beginning. Not a good way to watch a game when it is 7am and you known you are watching a game played in the same time zone. I expected them to fall apart at the end and lose, so when they finally gave up the lead, I started fast-forwarding a couple minutes at a time. Only by luck did I end up at the :29 second mark to watch the end of the game.

EMU Hoops Falls Short in MAC Semifinals to Toledo, 64-63.
http://www.emueagles.com/news/2018/3/9/m...64-63.aspx

(03-10-2018 09:15 AM)MotoRocket Wrote:  I took a nap around 6pm to plan to watch the game at 1:30 on TV. It all worked out, until Fletcher went down early in the game and Toledo turned the ball over something like 3 straight times down the court. So I set the DVR and went to sleep. Watched the recording this morning - and started fast forwarding after EMU took the lead. Saw they got up to a 5 point lead and figured it was over. Imagine my surprise when I fast forwarded to the point where there was 29 seconds left and it was tied up. Watched the end and I'm still thinking somebody messed with my recording and I'll find out when the final starts tonight that EMU actually won this game.

Still can't believe it. And the game clock manager might miss the bus ride back to Ypsi. They tried their best to give EMU an extra 2 seconds to score.

As for the few posts I've read so far - is this EMU fan seriously thinking he can convince us that the refs were in the tank for the Rockets? Of the 34 minutes I actually watched, it would have had to been overwhelmingly bad calls in that last 6 minutes to sway the poor officiating to that point to the side of the Rockets. I may watch it later tonight to see what I missed - but I doubt it.

Great win. Marrion Jackson was the difference. And Fletcher was on a pace to score 160 points last night when he went down :30 seconds into the game with 2 points. So EMU fans avoided a major embarrassment with that injury.

(03-10-2018 09:23 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 06:57 AM)pono Wrote:  Officiating wise EMU was very physical and only got called for 12 fouls. there was a lot of contact on blocked shots that the refs let go because it was clean on the ball. That helped EMU. The refs allowed some contact by defenders on closing shooters. This generally helped EMU because they close out better than toledo. Two of the first 3 calls on Thompson were obvious. One was iffy. The T was his fault. Don't yell stuff at the opposing coach while he's having a conversation with the referee. The 5th foul had to be double foul once they blew the whistle. You can't call it on Knapke only, because thompson is pulling knack's arm at the beginning and middle of the tussle. You can call it only on Thompson's because Knapke pulls on him and then tries to draw a foul at the end. The only other option would have been if the refs had immediately blown the whistle and stood each player up and warned them they were on the cusp of a tech and inbounded the ball. As soon as they went to the monitor you had to call double foul. As for the end of the game. Shot was on the rim 7 seconds after inbound. Bond's rebound should not have even happened. And there's no way you give them the game on body contact jostling for a frantic rebound-grow up Lucky.

The other note on officiating is that it cost UT Tre Fletcher. The refs allowed Miami to undercut rocket players on defense all game in the quarters and as it hit crunch time they got away several times not giving a player room to land on a shoot. So, they continued too do it and that's how they hurt Fletcher you got contact from 2 miami players, one on each leg, as he tried to land after a shot.

As for this thread you all rocket faithless are pathetic. I read it from start of game to final play and nearly no one said a good thing about a rocket play or even mentioned we were winning (until late in the game). Have some faith. That was a good opponent and we beat them with our star hurt. we had some guys play with a lot of courage and even the guys who struggled didn't quit. maybe, saturday, all the shots fall.

I don't think the "fans" are pathetic. It's a reaction to decades of disappointment, and seeing bad plays, even in a win, reminds us that we are just a few mistakes from another unfulfilled season.

This, exactly.

(03-10-2018 10:45 AM)adunifon Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 09:23 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 06:57 AM)pono Wrote:  Officiating wise EMU was very physical and only got called for 12 fouls. there was a lot of contact on blocked shots that the refs let go because it was clean on the ball. That helped EMU. The refs allowed some contact by defenders on closing shooters. This generally helped EMU because they close out better than toledo. Two of the first 3 calls on Thompson were obvious. One was iffy. The T was his fault. Don't yell stuff at the opposing coach while he's having a conversation with the referee. The 5th foul had to be double foul once they blew the whistle. You can't call it on Knapke only, because thompson is pulling knack's arm at the beginning and middle of the tussle. You can call it only on Thompson's because Knapke pulls on him and then tries to draw a foul at the end. The only other option would have been if the refs had immediately blown the whistle and stood each player up and warned them they were on the cusp of a tech and inbounded the ball. As soon as they went to the monitor you had to call double foul. As for the end of the game. Shot was on the rim 7 seconds after inbound. Bond's rebound should not have even happened. And there's no way you give them the game on body contact jostling for a frantic rebound-grow up Lucky.

The other note on officiating is that it cost UT Tre Fletcher. The refs allowed Miami to undercut rocket players on defense all game in the quarters and as it hit crunch time they got away several times not giving a player room to land on a shoot. So, they continued too do it and that's how they hurt Fletcher you got contact from 2 miami players, one on each leg, as he tried to land after a shot.

As for this thread you all rocket faithless are pathetic. I read it from start of game to final play and nearly no one said a good thing about a rocket play or even mentioned we were winning (until late in the game). Have some faith. That was a good opponent and we beat them with our star hurt. we had some guys play with a lot of courage and even the guys who struggled didn't quit. maybe, saturday, all the shots fall.

I don't think the "fans" are pathetic. It's a reaction to decades of disappointment, and seeing bad plays, even in a win, reminds us that we are just a few mistakes from another unfulfilled season.

This, exactly.

Exactly what Detroit Rocket said. I figured the, "Yeah where are all the doubters now," fans would be strutting around if we won. Blah blah blah.

I don't think this is a truly great team, but this year it seemed like it was very much about matchups. Thank goodness we faced Eastern again and not Ball State.

I'm thrilled that the team got to the final. Marreon Jackson looks like he's going to be a great one. Love his determination. Dude was not going to be beat. For a freshman to do that in a tournament is a big deal. Even veteran players can fall off in a tournament. What a lousy stinking break for Fletcher. It's like a parallel with what happened to Cody Thompson.

It's been a long time since we played Buffalo. I haven't watched them since, so I don't know how we would match up with them even with Fletcher, so I'm not doubtful or confident. Seems like it's going to be tough without the conference POY, though. Can Marreon duplicate last night's performance? Will our other 3 point specialists have the range dialed in tonight? Hopefully we can stay in it long enough to have a chance.

In the past I’ve lamented that the mental toughness portion of the game, regardless of the sport, hasn’t often been kind to the Rockets. Last night was completely the opposite. The team could have folded seconds into the game when Fletcher went down, or in the second half when EMU made the run to take the lead, or at any point inside the final 3 minutes. And they didn’t. The Rockets can be justifiably proud of that effort.

I have zero expectations for the championship game. The fact that we are even in it given the circumstances is fantastic. Fletcher was a tough matchup for Buffalo and it will take the best game we’ve played this year. My hope for the Rockets is that they somehow don’t feel the weight of this moment, play loose & for each other, and have some fun. Let Buffalo deal with the mental pressure.

Go Rockets!

(03-10-2018 10:45 AM)adunifon Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 09:23 AM)DetroitRocket Wrote:  

(03-10-2018 06:57 AM)pono Wrote:  Officiating wise EMU was very physical and only got called for 12 fouls. there was a lot of contact on blocked shots that the refs let go because it was clean on the ball. That helped EMU. The refs allowed some contact by defenders on closing shooters. This generally helped EMU because they close out better than toledo. Two of the first 3 calls on Thompson were obvious. One was iffy. The T was his fault. Don't yell stuff at the opposing coach while he's having a conversation with the referee. The 5th foul had to be double foul once they blew the whistle. You can't call it on Knapke only, because thompson is pulling knack's arm at the beginning and middle of the tussle. You can call it only on Thompson's because Knapke pulls on him and then tries to draw a foul at the end. The only other option would have been if the refs had immediately blown the whistle and stood each player up and warned them they were on the cusp of a tech and inbounded the ball. As soon as they went to the monitor you had to call double foul. As for the end of the game. Shot was on the rim 7 seconds after inbound. Bond's rebound should not have even happened. And there's no way you give them the game on body contact jostling for a frantic rebound-grow up Lucky.

The other note on officiating is that it cost UT Tre Fletcher. The refs allowed Miami to undercut rocket players on defense all game in the quarters and as it hit crunch time they got away several times not giving a player room to land on a shoot. So, they continued too do it and that's how they hurt Fletcher you got contact from 2 miami players, one on each leg, as he tried to land after a shot.

As for this thread you all rocket faithless are pathetic. I read it from start of game to final play and nearly no one said a good thing about a rocket play or even mentioned we were winning (until late in the game). Have some faith. That was a good opponent and we beat them with our star hurt. we had some guys play with a lot of courage and even the guys who struggled didn't quit. maybe, saturday, all the shots fall.

I don't think the "fans" are pathetic. It's a reaction to decades of disappointment, and seeing bad plays, even in a win, reminds us that we are just a few mistakes from another unfulfilled season.

This, exactly.

I concur. After 38 years of "waiting for next year" and actually having a chance this year only to see the MAC POY go down 30 seconds into a game against a team that is 2-0 against you this year leaves most fans waiting for the (seemingly) inevitable other shoe to fall and start looking forward to year 39. It is not pathetic to not expect your freshman guard to step up and go 8 for 11 threes-----that's shooting 72% from three point range and he almost doubled his previous game high total points in the process. Likewise who would expect a role player to step up off the bench and play big minutes and chip in 18 points---also his best career performance--- in the process? This is the stuff of fiction, not reality, so you can't really fault fans for waiting for the next shoe (that never fell) to fall. Miracles are special exactly because they are so rare.

I think in general the "Toledo Tough" mantra is over used (and misused) which cheapens it value. It should be reserved for special performances such as the game last night when against all odds and adversity enough players stepped up their game and carried the day though the sheer strength of their resolve and determination.

In the final analysis whether or not the Rockets can pull off another miracle for the second night in a row, the prospects for next year's team is looking pretty good at the moment.

I thought the look on the coaches face, along with some wet eyeballs said it all. These guys played their hearts out last night, for that, they should be proud, and we, as fans, should be proud of them as well. Great game, even if they had lost.

Maybe there is a little more magic in Cleveland, and in the guys who call it home.

One more guys...

(03-10-2018 01:55 PM)Screwball Wrote:  I thought the look on the coaches face, along with some wet eyeballs said it all. These guys played their hearts out last night, for that, they should be proud, and we, as fans, should be proud of them as well. Great game, even if they had lost.

Maybe there is a little more magic in Cleveland, and in the guys who call it home.

One more guys...

Agree. I wasn't upset when I replayed the game and figured they were going to lose as I fast-forwarded through the last 6 minutes of the game. I didn't want to go through the agony of knowing they were up at one time by 8 points and looked to be set to lose by more than 12 the way it was going. I figured it was over when Fletcher went down, then they stayed in the game, got leads, lost them, came back, etc. But, I thought it was over when they were down 5 and less than 2 minutes to play

Boy, was I wrong. Great win - and I have no expectations for tonight either. I think they have a good shot if they keep from turning the ball over - and Navigato plays lights out against a team where he almost went to play for Hurley. Can't expect MJ and WJ to have games like last night, but do expect to see Knapke and Navigato turn up their play - along with Sanford who had an ok to good game overall. We need his best game of the year.