(02-16-2018 01:24 AM)Stammers Wrote: (02-15-2018 03:16 PM)salukiblue Wrote: (02-15-2018 11:20 AM)MEMPHIS TIGERS Wrote: (02-15-2018 10:33 AM)airric2255 Wrote: (02-15-2018 09:52 AM)tjwillis47 Wrote: i think thats one of the more frustrating things. if you dont think you will offer him an extension, why wait? i get the idea of waiting out year 3 to see what he can do. i understand why tubby supporters say that, but what in the world makes you think yr 3 is going to produce anything better than what is currently on the court
Barring transfers and knowing what we know today, next year you are trading Connor Vanover for Jimario Rivers.
As of now. Losing Rivers is not going to hurt. We also could add a few more pieces. Not saying the team is all of a sudden going to be great but you would think they should improve by next season. They will def be better next year.
Like how?
Is Martin really going to become a 23 ppg player? Has he hit his peak or is there still more for him?
Thornton and Davenport are what they are, same for Brewton. These guys, after years of playing basketball aren't going to have some magical summer epiphany and change.
You guys fall into the "hope" notion over the "logic" notion when it comes to this every time. Just like you folks tried to convince yourselves the JUCO kids weren't really going to be JUCO level talent and somehow become upper level D1 players (and it hasn't happened) you now expect magic growth over the summer guys who pretty much are what they are.
Vanover will be a net loss next year in a trade for Rivers. Rivers doesn't do a whole lot, but he can guard multiple positions and can get up and down the court. Vanover is averaging 8 and 6 in high school, Rivers is actually averaging 7 and 4 in D1.
I think you are wrong on at least two out of Davenport, Parks, Thornton and Brewton. Jucos typically do a lot better their second season of D1 ball. We need to hope that a couple of our players can channel their inner Grice or Massie.
That's the conventional thought, but the practical reality is they really don't.
Last three two-year JUCOs of note at Memphis:
Geron Johnson:
2012-13: 29 mpg. 44% fg, 35% 3pt. 10.4 ppg, 3.5 apg, 4.6 rpg
2013-14: 28 mpg. 41% fg. 26% 3pt. 8.9 ppg, 3.5 apg, 4.9 rpg.
Trahson Burrell:
2014-15: 24 mpg. 45% fg. 29% 3pt. 9.1 ppg, 5.2 rpg, 2 apg.
2015-16: 24 mpg: 43% fg. 32% 3pt. 10.0 ppg, 6.2 rpg, 3 apg.
Jimario Rivers:
2016-17: 22 mpg. 57% fg. 6.4 ppg, 3.5 rpg, 1 apg.
2017-17: 24 mpg. 46% fg. 6.7 ppg, 3.7 rpg, 2 apg.
As you can note, there is little separation between their junior and senior years. They are pretty much what they are.
Grice was suspended for most of his first year. Massie's numbers went way up, but his playing time also increased by 50%. Sneed's numbers actually declined from his 1st to 2nd season. Waki's playing time and production went down as better talent came into the program.