(02-14-2018 08:02 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:46 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:38 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:36 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Registration has proven to lead to confiscation, so you'll never get your database, Tom. Hell, they wouldn't even register in NY state under the SAFE act. All you'll accomplish is turning law abiding citizens into criminals.

He's already well proven through various commentary on here he's not opposed to that very result.

Hey, if you register your guns, pass a mental health and safety test, let the police take a gun signature of the barrel, and not modify the gun, then you should be okay. And sell your gun only at police station or other strongly regulated environment.

nothing totalitarian about that at all. well done.

how about an annual mental health and safety test before you are allowed to vote. let the police pick people up and you can take the test at your local precinct in a strongly regulated environment. let the president appoint a commission to set up the standards for the test.

why not just burn the constitution.

No Democrats would be allowed to vote in 2018 if that were the case!

(02-14-2018 08:22 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:21 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:01 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  By the same people who accused the Quebec shooter of being a Muslim terrorist (he was a white supremacist), the Las Vegas bomber of being an Antifa guy (no evidence of that - they actually even named the wrong person), etc.

What if they are right tom?

It means nothing. White nationalists have killed more. The key is how do we stop males who are right wing from using firearms to kill lots of people AND non-right wing males from using firearms to kill lots of people.

Seriously, if say, 1% of mass shootings ae by non-right wingers, and Gateway Pundit and Infowars automatically accuse whomever the shooter is of being a liberal or a Muslim, the might be correct 1% of the time or so. But it doesn't validate their 'reporting'. BTW, Gateway actually named the wrong person in the Las Vegas incident.

Most likely, this dude just got off on gun violence.

Apparently, this kid was a KNOWN problem. All kinds of kids at the school saying everyone talked about this for a while, "He's gonna shoot up the school" being a common quote. That's not a gun problem. That a social discipline problem. That means people have known this kid has issues and nobody in the HOME or PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM have had the balls and/or LEGAL capability to do something about it. He was 19 years old, and recently expelled from school. THOSE are the real issues. An America with no RESPONSIBILITY and REPERCUSSIONS for actions leads to this BS. There are families out there tonight dealing with a loss of a young family member because this kid's parents, community, and the education system don't actually deal with issues appropriately. The kid made threats of killing people last year and their response to teachers was "don't allow him on school grounds with a book bag." WTF. Seriously, WTF. That kid needed to be in juvenile detention at the LEAST (if not male jail) for communicating threats, but no... we'll just say "don't let him on school grounds with a book bag" and that will solve the issue.

This is NOT a gun issue, it's a social responsibility issue to deal with the asshats of society that are incapable of living real life with the rest of us normal thinking humans that don't resort to killing someone because they're upset at something.

Yes sir, you are correct.

a free society with an amoral culture that glorifies violence. what could go wrong. it hasnt always been this way.

(02-14-2018 07:25 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:15 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:01 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 06:59 PM)Kronke Wrote:  If you’re proposing we raise the age to own a gun from 18 to 21, and have some statistics to back it up, I’d entertain that idea.

Yup, seems like it's worth discussing.

Then we need to raise the age of adulthood to 21 as well as ban military service.

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Yep.

If they aren't mature enough to own a gun they shouldn't be carrying one for the government.

Or voting for that matter.

As much as I agree in principle with what you're saying this, to me, is not a lot different than a drinking age of 21

(02-14-2018 08:22 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:21 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:01 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  By the same people who accused the Quebec shooter of being a Muslim terrorist (he was a white supremacist), the Las Vegas bomber of being an Antifa guy (no evidence of that - they actually even named the wrong person), etc.

What if they are right tom?

It means nothing. White nationalists have killed more. The key is how do we stop males who are right wing from using firearms to kill lots of people AND non-right wing males from using firearms to kill lots of people.

Seriously, if say, 1% of mass shootings ae by non-right wingers, and Gateway Pundit and Infowars automatically accuse whomever the shooter is of being a liberal or a Muslim, the might be correct 1% of the time or so. But it doesn't validate their 'reporting'. BTW, Gateway actually named the wrong person in the Las Vegas incident.

Most likely, this dude just got off on gun violence.

Apparently, this kid was a KNOWN problem. All kinds of kids at the school saying everyone talked about this for a while, "He's gonna shoot up the school" being a common quote. That's not a gun problem. That a social discipline problem. That means people have known this kid has issues and nobody in the HOME or PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM have had the balls and/or LEGAL capability to do something about it. He was 19 years old, and recently expelled from school. THOSE are the real issues. An America with no RESPONSIBILITY and REPERCUSSIONS for actions leads to this BS. There are families out there tonight dealing with a loss of a young family member because this kid's parents, community, and the education system don't actually deal with issues appropriately. The kid made threats of killing people last year and their response to teachers was "don't allow him on school grounds with a book bag." WTF. Seriously, WTF. That kid needed to be in juvenile detention at the LEAST (if not male jail) for communicating threats, but no... we'll just say "don't let him on school grounds with a book bag" and that will solve the issue.

This is NOT a gun issue, it's a social responsibility issue to deal with the asshats of society that are incapable of living real life with the rest of us normal thinking humans that don't resort to killing someone because they're upset at something.

Yes sir, you are correct.

And in the absence of effective gun control laws, there's nothing that can be done about known problematic people with firearms.

Heck, the GOP even got rid of an Obama era rule regarding those who are known to have mental issues from obtaining firearms.

Look, there are always going to be crazy people. There are going to be people that snap. The question is how much carnage do we have to put up with simply because some males don't want the police to know what firearms they have.

(02-14-2018 07:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:01 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  By the same people who accused the Quebec shooter of being a Muslim terrorist (he was a white supremacist), the Las Vegas bomber of being an Antifa guy (no evidence of that - they actually even named the wrong person), etc.

What if they are right tom?

It means nothing. White nationalists have killed more.

Counting 9/11?

See the problem, tom, is you're willing to say "it means nothing" if they politically agree with you but are quick to scream "muh right wing ideology" if they don't.

Pick one and go with it.

(02-14-2018 07:35 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:32 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:31 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:23 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:19 PM)hawghiggs Wrote:  Not if you make an amendment.

Good luck. Just wait until Tyrone breaks into grandma's hous, steals her 22, and shoots a 7-Eleven clerk and grandma gets thrown in jail while Tyrone walks. If that amendment ever gets through it will make prohibition look like a success. Possibly the worst idea I have ever seen on here.

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Why did you use the name "Tyrone". Its a rhetorical question of course. We all can pretty much figure that one out.

If grandmom keeps the gun where it can be easily stolen (e.g., just leaving it out on a table etc., not locked up), or doesn't report it stolen immediately (yes, you should know where your guns are at ALL times), then yes, she's liable. If she sells it so someone at the no questions asked open air gun market (aka gun show) then she should be liable.

You elect to have a gun, you should be responsible for your negligence with it.

I used the name Tyrone to drive home the point. Good luck with that.

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And what point was that? Do you think that Tyrone with a gun is more dangerous than Chad with a gun?

I'm no English professor but unless the grandma's name was "chad" then no, he was not saying that at all... You're great at reading things into posts... If only you were equally as skilled at reading the post itself.

Jeff Greenfield tweet....

In the rest of the world, there have been 18 school shootings in the last twenty years. In the U.S., there have been 18 school shootings since January 1--35 days.

(02-14-2018 07:46 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:38 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:36 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Registration has proven to lead to confiscation, so you'll never get your database, Tom. Hell, they wouldn't even register in NY state under the SAFE act. All you'll accomplish is turning law abiding citizens into criminals.

He's already well proven through various commentary on here he's not opposed to that very result.

Hey, if you register your guns, pass a mental health and safety test, let the police take a gun signature of the barrel, and not modify the gun, then you should be okay. And sell your gun only at police station or other strongly regulated environment.

you left out providing blood and semen samples, access to your social media and email accounts, a DNA profile, and submit to random inspections.

(02-14-2018 07:49 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:48 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:46 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:38 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:36 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Registration has proven to lead to confiscation, so you'll never get your database, Tom. Hell, they wouldn't even register in NY state under the SAFE act. All you'll accomplish is turning law abiding citizens into criminals.

He's already well proven through various commentary on here he's not opposed to that very result.

Hey, if you register your guns, pass a mental health and safety test, let the police take a gun signature of the barrel, and not modify the gun, then you should be okay.

Just as soon as you take and pass a mental health exam to vote.

A vote doesn't kill people. A gun does.

I thought a vote for trump caused gay death camps...

(02-14-2018 08:07 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 08:01 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:59 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:38 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:36 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Registration has proven to lead to confiscation, so you'll never get your database, Tom. Hell, they wouldn't even register in NY state under the SAFE act. All you'll accomplish is turning law abiding citizens into criminals.

Then we can deport you

Unhinged.

Sadly, if he had that very opportunity, the evil in Tom's heart would act on it. That's where the left is at these days. Unhinged, dangerous lunacy bent on destroying and physically ousting their opposition. Yay open mindedness!!!!

You don't know me. I'll let you get back to trying to defend zero effective regulation of firearms in the face of massive numbers of deaths from poorly regulated firearms.

315 Americans are killed every day by firearms. What's your solution?

I can tell you mine....

there isn't one.....

now if one wants to look at it objectively on a percentage basis, get back to me.....

if numbers go up, so does all the rest when using overall numbers.....

so wtf are you really saying (rhetorical).....ciggy butts and alcohol easily kill more than ze gooooons......

make that argument work in comparison.....

it's not our fault you're gay.....

(02-14-2018 08:32 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Jeff Greenfield tweet....

In the rest of the world, there have been 18 school shootings in the last twenty years. In the U.S., there have been 18 school shootings since January 1--35 days.

the old "rest of the world" argument. that didnt take long.

68 children were killed in syria, in a bus bomb in 2017. guns were seized in syria by government soldiers in 2013

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-syria...7C20131106

(02-14-2018 08:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Heck, the GOP even got rid of an Obama era rule regarding those who are known to have mental issues from obtaining firearms.

Having a trustee to handle your finances (social security payments) is not a mental illness.

A half dozen or so democrats voted to get rid of it, as well.

Tom, your propaganda doesn't work here. We simply know more about the issue than you do.

(02-14-2018 08:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 08:22 PM)Redbanksdog Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:21 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:01 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  What if they are right tom?

It means nothing. White nationalists have killed more. The key is how do we stop males who are right wing from using firearms to kill lots of people AND non-right wing males from using firearms to kill lots of people.

Seriously, if say, 1% of mass shootings ae by non-right wingers, and Gateway Pundit and Infowars automatically accuse whomever the shooter is of being a liberal or a Muslim, the might be correct 1% of the time or so. But it doesn't validate their 'reporting'. BTW, Gateway actually named the wrong person in the Las Vegas incident.

Most likely, this dude just got off on gun violence.

Apparently, this kid was a KNOWN problem. All kinds of kids at the school saying everyone talked about this for a while, "He's gonna shoot up the school" being a common quote. That's not a gun problem. That a social discipline problem. That means people have known this kid has issues and nobody in the HOME or PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM have had the balls and/or LEGAL capability to do something about it. He was 19 years old, and recently expelled from school. THOSE are the real issues. An America with no RESPONSIBILITY and REPERCUSSIONS for actions leads to this BS. There are families out there tonight dealing with a loss of a young family member because this kid's parents, community, and the education system don't actually deal with issues appropriately. The kid made threats of killing people last year and their response to teachers was "don't allow him on school grounds with a book bag." WTF. Seriously, WTF. That kid needed to be in juvenile detention at the LEAST (if not male jail) for communicating threats, but no... we'll just say "don't let him on school grounds with a book bag" and that will solve the issue.

This is NOT a gun issue, it's a social responsibility issue to deal with the asshats of society that are incapable of living real life with the rest of us normal thinking humans that don't resort to killing someone because they're upset at something.

Yes sir, you are correct.

And in the absence of effective gun control laws, there's nothing that can be done about known problematic people with firearms.

Heck, the GOP even got rid of an Obama era rule regarding those who are known to have mental issues from obtaining firearms.

Look, there are always going to be crazy people. There are going to be people that snap. The question is how much carnage do we have to put up with simply because some males don't want the police to know what firearms they have.

If the GOP hadn't got rid of unconstitutional rule the court system would have. You cannot deny someone of their Constitutional rights without due process.

And there's been a law on the books since 1968 that can take guns away from the mentally ill while also protecting the subject's right to due process.

(02-14-2018 08:38 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 08:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Heck, the GOP even got rid of an Obama era rule regarding those who are known to have mental issues from obtaining firearms.

Having a trustee to handle your finances (social security payments) is not a mental illness.

A half dozen or so democrats voted to get rid of it, as well.

If you're not responsible enough to handle a checkbook, you're not responsible enough to handle a firearm.

The left is so obsessed and blinded by politics that they are totally blind to the fact that every bit of "entertainment" these kids consume on a minute by minute basis is VIOLENCE, HATE AND VIOLENCE.

Their TV shows, their movies, their music, their first-person mass shooter games and many other forms of graphic violence.

They have literally been programmed, and it targets the more mentally and emotionally vulnerable kids.

(02-14-2018 08:32 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Jeff Greenfield tweet....

In the rest of the world, there have been 18 school shootings in the last twenty years. In the U.S., there have been 18 school shootings since January 1--35 days.

Gotta have our guns.

(02-14-2018 08:32 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  Jeff Greenfield tweet....

In the rest of the world, there have been 18 school shootings in the last twenty years. In the U.S., there have been 18 school shootings since January 1--35 days.

good luck fixing that one to nil.....

let's review.....

we control the USD.....

by design, we have the largest wealth divide/population

#murderdeathkill

#consequence

#percentileisnegligible

(02-14-2018 08:40 PM)ericsrevenge76 Wrote:  The left is so obsessed and blinded by politics that they are totally blind to the fact that every bit of "entertainment" these kids consume on a minute by minute basis is VIOLENCE, HATE AND VIOLENCE.

Their TV shows, their movies, their music, their first-person mass shooter games and many other forms of graphic violence.

They have literally been programmed, and it targets the more mentally and emotionally vulnerable kids.

Call me the next time someone kills someone with a Television.

(02-14-2018 08:38 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 08:28 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Heck, the GOP even got rid of an Obama era rule regarding those who are known to have mental issues from obtaining firearms.

Having a trustee to handle your finances (social security payments) is not a mental illness.

A half dozen or so democrats voted to get rid of it, as well.

When the government mental illness test is enacted to vote we should use DSM I.