Very sad...yet again. My heart goes out to all those victims' parents who don't oppose universal background checks and mental health screening of gun owners.

(02-14-2018 07:38 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:36 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Registration has proven to lead to confiscation, so you'll never get your database, Tom. Hell, they wouldn't even register in NY state under the SAFE act. All you'll accomplish is turning law abiding citizens into criminals.

Then we can deport you

Unhinged.

(02-14-2018 07:49 PM)maximus Wrote:  It all starts at home



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that is correct.....

so what happens when a welfare state is developed with the advantage of technology.....

shite like is nothing more than evolutionary consequence.....

even in a 'perfect' home there is no gay-rant-eee......

(02-14-2018 07:59 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:38 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:36 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Registration has proven to lead to confiscation, so you'll never get your database, Tom. Hell, they wouldn't even register in NY state under the SAFE act. All you'll accomplish is turning law abiding citizens into criminals.

Then we can deport you

Unhinged.

Sadly, if he had that very opportunity, the evil in Tom's heart would act on it. That's where the left is at these days. Unhinged, dangerous lunacy bent on destroying and physically ousting their opposition. Yay open mindedness!!!!

(02-14-2018 07:46 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:38 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:36 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Registration has proven to lead to confiscation, so you'll never get your database, Tom. Hell, they wouldn't even register in NY state under the SAFE act. All you'll accomplish is turning law abiding citizens into criminals.

He's already well proven through various commentary on here he's not opposed to that very result.

Hey, if you register your guns, pass a mental health and safety test, let the police take a gun signature of the barrel, and not modify the gun, then you should be okay. And sell your gun only at police station or other strongly regulated environment.

nothing totalitarian about that at all. well done.

how about an annual mental health and safety test before you are allowed to vote. let the police pick people up and you can take the test at your local precinct in a strongly regulated environment. let the president appoint a commission to set up the standards for the test.

why not just burn the constitution.

Meanwhile, guess what firearm was recovered.....you guessed it....an AR-15...the go to weapon for males looking to kill mass numbers of people.

(02-14-2018 08:02 PM)shere khan Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:46 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:38 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:36 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Registration has proven to lead to confiscation, so you'll never get your database, Tom. Hell, they wouldn't even register in NY state under the SAFE act. All you'll accomplish is turning law abiding citizens into criminals.

He's already well proven through various commentary on here he's not opposed to that very result.

Hey, if you register your guns, pass a mental health and safety test, let the police take a gun signature of the barrel, and not modify the gun, then you should be okay. And sell your gun only at police station or other strongly regulated environment.

nothing totalitarian about that at all. well done.

how about an annual mental health and safety test before you are allowed to vote. let the police pick people up and you can take the test at your local precinct in a strongly regulated environment. let the president appoint a commission to set up the standards for the test.

why not just burn the constitution.

You have to register to vote already. You vote in a highly regulated environment too.

Get used to being attacked for suggesting prayers be included for the family and victims.

(02-14-2018 07:54 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  Very sad. My heart goes out to all those victims' parents who don't oppose universal background checks and mental health screening of gun owners.

you have no clue how culture cooks in the wok....

who really gives two shites that you're sad.....not me!

just maybe, you might want to look in the mirror for a solution moving forward instead of #millennialpussification....

(02-14-2018 08:01 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:59 PM)Kronke Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:38 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:36 PM)Kronke Wrote:  Registration has proven to lead to confiscation, so you'll never get your database, Tom. Hell, they wouldn't even register in NY state under the SAFE act. All you'll accomplish is turning law abiding citizens into criminals.

Then we can deport you

Unhinged.

Sadly, if he had that very opportunity, the evil in Tom's heart would act on it. That's where the left is at these days. Unhinged, dangerous lunacy bent on destroying and physically ousting their opposition. Yay open mindedness!!!!

You don't know me. I'll let you get back to trying to defend zero effective regulation of firearms in the face of massive numbers of deaths from poorly regulated firearms.

315 Americans are killed every day by firearms. What's your solution?

(02-14-2018 06:56 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 06:47 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  There is a way to get your agenda. 2/3rd votes in the House and Senate followed by ratification by 3/4ths of State legislatures or by a convention of states called for by 2/3rds of state legislatures.

Your European style gun control laws cannot come into existence without that. CANNOT. You know this.

The practical action is to try to find ways to do things like keep mentally ill minors who threaten others and have firearms from having them and keep them from acting out and/or gaining access to places that they have threatened.

Or you can keep screaming for something that you KNOW you cannot get because you think it scores partisan political points and preys on emotional reactions to tragedy.




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Its not unconstitutional

1) to have a database with every gun in it
2) to enact mandatory minimum jail time for not registering the firearm
3) to hold gun owners strictly liable for the firearms
4) to tax guns and ammo
5) to require licensing and mental health evaluations for firearm ownership

None of these things require a constitutional amendment.

The government can't engage in law-making designed to make the individual right to keep and bear arms a right on name only. For instance, charging outrageous taxes on ammo, or putting requirements on gun manufacturers designed to run them out of business, or requiring citizens to purchase insurance that is not available or likely to be available except at unaffordable costs. Sort of like the government can't enact poll taxes or trivia tests designed to keep people from their Constitutional voting rights.

Sure, you can increase the hoops, make a little more paperwork, make it so poor people have a marginally harder time affording firearms. But you'll never achieve your goal because each American has a right to keep and bear arms.

Its a political wedge issue that allows you to call your political opponents heartless during every tragedy...forever.

If you are actually interested in preventing these, you might try the possible rather than the impossible.

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(02-14-2018 08:04 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Meanwhile, guess what firearm was recovered.....you guessed it....an AR-15...the go to weapon for males looking to kill mass numbers of people.

Can I get a make and model? Just like in Orlando, the fake news can't be trusted not to mistake any gun for an AR-15.

Besides, if there weren't AR-15s (dressed-up varmint rifles), it would just be something else. VA. Tech shooter killed more with a handgun.

(02-14-2018 07:54 PM)Ohio Poly Wrote:  Very sad. My heart goes out to all those victims' parents who don't oppose universal background checks and mental health screening of gun owners.

wow, are you implying the others deserved it?

(02-14-2018 08:09 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 06:56 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 06:47 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  There is a way to get your agenda. 2/3rd votes in the House and Senate followed by ratification by 3/4ths of State legislatures or by a convention of states called for by 2/3rds of state legislatures.

Your European style gun control laws cannot come into existence without that. CANNOT. You know this.

The practical action is to try to find ways to do things like keep mentally ill minors who threaten others and have firearms from having them and keep them from acting out and/or gaining access to places that they have threatened.

Or you can keep screaming for something that you KNOW you cannot get because you think it scores partisan political points and preys on emotional reactions to tragedy.




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Its not unconstitutional

1) to have a database with every gun in it
2) to enact mandatory minimum jail time for not registering the firearm
3) to hold gun owners strictly liable for the firearms
4) to tax guns and ammo
5) to require licensing and mental health evaluations for firearm ownership

None of these things require a constitutional amendment.

The government can't engage in law-making designed to make the individual right to keep and bear arms a right on name only. For instance, charging outrageous taxes on ammo, or putting requirements on gun manufacturers designed to run them out of business, or requiring citizens to purchase insurance that is not available or likely to be available except at unaffordable costs. Sort of like the government can't enact poll taxes or trivia tests designed to keep people from their Constitutional voting rights.

Sure, you can increase the hoops, make a little more paperwork, make it so poor people have a marginally harder time affording firearms. But you'll never achieve your goal because each American has a right to keep and bear arms.

Its a political wedge issue that allows you to call your political opponents heartless during every tragedy...forever.

If you are actually interested in preventing these, you might try the possible rather than the impossible.

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Hey, just register the guns and be responsible for what your guns do

I've provided a solution. What's the pro-poorly regulated gun advocates propose?

I almost expect the NRA to advocate arming high school students.

(02-14-2018 08:04 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Meanwhile, guess what firearm was recovered.....you guessed it....an AR-15...the go to weapon for males looking to kill mass numbers of people.

Probably a good thing he didn't use an actual high powered firearm.

So the solution is let the kids have more guns.

(02-14-2018 08:13 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  Hey, just register the guns

No, thank you.

(02-14-2018 08:13 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 08:09 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 06:56 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 06:47 PM)ark30inf Wrote:  There is a way to get your agenda. 2/3rd votes in the House and Senate followed by ratification by 3/4ths of State legislatures or by a convention of states called for by 2/3rds of state legislatures.

Your European style gun control laws cannot come into existence without that. CANNOT. You know this.

The practical action is to try to find ways to do things like keep mentally ill minors who threaten others and have firearms from having them and keep them from acting out and/or gaining access to places that they have threatened.

Or you can keep screaming for something that you KNOW you cannot get because you think it scores partisan political points and preys on emotional reactions to tragedy.




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Its not unconstitutional

1) to have a database with every gun in it
2) to enact mandatory minimum jail time for not registering the firearm
3) to hold gun owners strictly liable for the firearms
4) to tax guns and ammo
5) to require licensing and mental health evaluations for firearm ownership

None of these things require a constitutional amendment.

The government can't engage in law-making designed to make the individual right to keep and bear arms a right on name only. For instance, charging outrageous taxes on ammo, or putting requirements on gun manufacturers designed to run them out of business, or requiring citizens to purchase insurance that is not available or likely to be available except at unaffordable costs. Sort of like the government can't enact poll taxes or trivia tests designed to keep people from their Constitutional voting rights.

Sure, you can increase the hoops, make a little more paperwork, make it so poor people have a marginally harder time affording firearms. But you'll never achieve your goal because each American has a right to keep and bear arms.

Its a political wedge issue that allows you to call your political opponents heartless during every tragedy...forever.

If you are actually interested in preventing these, you might try the possible rather than the impossible.

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Hey, just register the guns and be responsible for what your guns do

I've provided a solution. What's the pro-poorly regulated gun advocates propose?

I almost expect the NRA to advocate arming high school students.

same requirements you have outlined plus an iq test to vote and you got a deal. president appoints a commission to set the standards.

democrats rush to burn the constitution in times of tragedy.

(02-14-2018 07:21 PM)CG_Hawk06 Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:06 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:01 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(02-14-2018 07:00 PM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote:  By the same people who accused the Quebec shooter of being a Muslim terrorist (he was a white supremacist), the Las Vegas bomber of being an Antifa guy (no evidence of that - they actually even named the wrong person), etc.

What if they are right tom?

It means nothing. White nationalists have killed more. The key is how do we stop males who are right wing from using firearms to kill lots of people AND non-right wing males from using firearms to kill lots of people.

Seriously, if say, 1% of mass shootings ae by non-right wingers, and Gateway Pundit and Infowars automatically accuse whomever the shooter is of being a liberal or a Muslim, the might be correct 1% of the time or so. But it doesn't validate their 'reporting'. BTW, Gateway actually named the wrong person in the Las Vegas incident.

Most likely, this dude just got off on gun violence.

Apparently, this kid was a KNOWN problem. All kinds of kids at the school saying everyone talked about this for a while, "He's gonna shoot up the school" being a common quote. That's not a gun problem. That a social discipline problem. That means people have known this kid has issues and nobody in the HOME or PUBLIC EDUCATION SYSTEM have had the balls and/or LEGAL capability to do something about it. He was 19 years old, and recently expelled from school. THOSE are the real issues. An America with no RESPONSIBILITY and REPERCUSSIONS for actions leads to this BS. There are families out there tonight dealing with a loss of a young family member because this kid's parents, community, and the education system don't actually deal with issues appropriately. The kid made threats of killing people last year and their response to teachers was "don't allow him on school grounds with a book bag." WTF. Seriously, WTF. That kid needed to be in juvenile detention at the LEAST (if not male jail) for communicating threats, but no... we'll just say "don't let him on school grounds with a book bag" and that will solve the issue.

This is NOT a gun issue, it's a social responsibility issue to deal with the asshats of society that are incapable of living real life with the rest of us normal thinking humans that don't resort to killing someone because they're upset at something.

Yes sir, you are correct.