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(04-14-2018 08:28 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Interesting rule change in CFB.

I'm all for minimizing kickoff plays which are the most violent in the sport.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/27704...=editorial

Not me....the kick off is the most exciting play in football. We should make teams kich the ball from the 25-30yd line to guarantee a return. We just need to make the helmets be sold with more energy management.
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(04-14-2018 08:28 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Interesting rule change in CFB.

I'm all for minimizing kickoff plays which are the most violent in the sport.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/27704...=editorial

Football is a game of violence. Physical intimidation at it's finest with a victor and a vanquished foe. Attempting to minimize injuries is fine, but once it becomes flag fb it's done. While the kick off is its most violent play, it's also the most exciting. When properly executed, the return is truly a thing of beauty. I hope the kick off never goes away.
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(04-14-2018 09:11 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(04-14-2018 08:28 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Interesting rule change in CFB.

I'm all for minimizing kickoff plays which are the most violent in the sport.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/27704...=editorial

Football is a game of violence. Physical intimidation at it's finest with a victor and a vanquished foe. Attempting to minimize injuries is fine, but once it becomes flag fb it's done. While the kick off is its most violent play, it's also the most exciting. When properly executed, the return is truly a thing of beauty. I hope the kick off never goes away.

Counter point: Kickoffs are stupid and bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_SsIKgwvz4
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(04-14-2018 09:01 AM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(04-14-2018 08:28 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Interesting rule change in CFB.

I'm all for minimizing kickoff plays which are the most violent in the sport.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/27704...=editorial

Not me....the kick off is the most exciting play in football. We should make teams kich the ball from the 25-30yd line to guarantee a return. We just need to make the helmets be sold with more energy management.

Luckey, if anything helmets are now weapons, and less protective gear.

The physics of what is happening should be clear.

The worse the outcome is the velocity of one player impinging on another player, with a clear shot. Kind of head to head (I don't necessarily mean helmet to helmet but straight on like a car crash).

Most plays in FB are not of that ilk. A DT goes 3 yards and tackles a RB. A DB hits a WR and tackles him from the side. Offensive linemen and DLs operate in a small box area (although more sophisticated defenses have LBs and DLs running 10 yards toward the QB.

Of course, one of the worst plays is when a DE like Clowney gets a full head of steam and gets a clean, full frontal shot at a defenseless QB.
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(04-14-2018 08:28 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Interesting rule change in CFB.

I'm all for minimizing kickoff plays which are the most violent in the sport.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/27704...=editorial

They might as well just get rid of the kickoff out of bounds penalty if they don't want players to return kicks.
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(04-14-2018 01:46 PM)EMU_HRM07 Wrote:  
(04-14-2018 08:28 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Interesting rule change in CFB.

I'm all for minimizing kickoff plays which are the most violent in the sport.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/27704...=editorial

They might as well just get rid of the kickoff out of bounds penalty if they don't want players to return kicks.

That's a really good point. They've gotta keep the KO though. No KO means no onside kicks and that really changes the game.
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(04-14-2018 09:18 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(04-14-2018 09:11 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(04-14-2018 08:28 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Interesting rule change in CFB.

I'm all for minimizing kickoff plays which are the most violent in the sport.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/27704...=editorial

Football is a game of violence. Physical intimidation at it's finest with a victor and a vanquished foe. Attempting to minimize injuries is fine, but once it becomes flag fb it's done. While the kick off is its most violent play, it's also the most exciting. When properly executed, the return is truly a thing of beauty. I hope the kick off never goes away.

Counter point: Kickoffs are stupid and bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_SsIKgwvz4

Kick offs are not stupid and bad, but some fb players are.
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(04-14-2018 03:20 PM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(04-14-2018 09:18 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(04-14-2018 09:11 AM)Boca Rocket Wrote:  
(04-14-2018 08:28 AM)emu steve Wrote:  Interesting rule change in CFB.

I'm all for minimizing kickoff plays which are the most violent in the sport.

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/27704...=editorial

Football is a game of violence. Physical intimidation at it's finest with a victor and a vanquished foe. Attempting to minimize injuries is fine, but once it becomes flag fb it's done. While the kick off is its most violent play, it's also the most exciting. When properly executed, the return is truly a thing of beauty. I hope the kick off never goes away.

Counter point: Kickoffs are stupid and bad

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_SsIKgwvz4

Kick offs are not stupid and bad, but some fb players are.

Did you watch the video?
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It’ll be interesting of the strategy changes; do you kick it with more hang time now? What if you squib it? Would teams hesitate whether to fair catch or return it? It’s new fun how some teams innovate this new rule change.
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(04-16-2018 05:08 AM)JonesGoddard Wrote:  It’ll be interesting of the strategy changes; do you kick it with more hang time now? What if you squib it? Would teams hesitate whether to fair catch or return it? It’s new fun how some teams innovate this new rule change.

This rule would literally kill Darius Phillips KO return game.

I would kick it to the 15 or 20 with a lot of hang time and hope for a fair catch.
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https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports.../33873237/

Yes, we do get publicity, good publicity, for our FB team.
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(04-16-2018 04:57 PM)emu steve Wrote:  https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports.../33865535/

Thanks Steve for posting. I missed both articles even thought I visit detnews daily. In the off season survey I mentioned to the Athletic Dept that they need to disseminate this information on the Eagles website to compensate for the lack of coverage from MLive.

They need to pay you and Barna to run a blog on the athletics website.
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Yeah, thanks for sharing, Steve. I almost never miss EMUFB articles in Freep/Det News but somehow neither of those were on my radar.

Seemingly a turn-around from Art Brooks. He used to almost exclusively negative about EMU football, but wrote positively about Creighton and the direction of the program. I think that's testimony to the fact that Creighton has the personality-type to make you believe in this team.
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https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports.../33901459/

Guys, don't kid yourself, most of the publicity, good or bad, EMU gets in the Detroit area (and national) press is because of sports.

(this is a photo from a D.C. restaurant/bar near CapitalOne Arena before a Wizards' game (I was eating pizza and checking out the game on my tablet).

P.S. Who ever heard of Florida Gulf Coast until a few years ago or UMBC until this year. Hell, I knew UMBC was 'near Baltimore' but didn't know exactly where. Or Mercer before they took down Duke or Middle Tennessee before they took down Michigan State.

In football, Howard U. made waves the first game of the 2017 season by upsetting UNLV as a 45 point underdog, largest in FBS history.

And, last, but not least, Loyola... Just another Catholic school of the ilk of UDM but with a good, very good MBB team. And I can't forget how MBB put George Mason on the map 12 years ago with their Final Four appearance.


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(04-17-2018 04:01 AM)emu steve Wrote:  https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports.../33901459/

Guys, don't kid yourself, most of the publicity, good or bad, EMU gets in the Detroit area (and national) press is because of sports.

(this is a photo from a D.C. restaurant/bar near CapitalOne Arena before a Wizards' game (I was eating pizza and checking out the game on my tablet).

P.S. Who ever heard of Florida Gulf Coast until a few years ago or UMBC until this year. Hell, I knew UMBC was 'near Baltimore' but didn't know exactly where. Or Mercer before they took down Duke or Middle Tennessee before they took down Michigan State.

In football, Howard U. made waves the first game of the 2017 season by upsetting UNLV as a 45 point underdog, largest in FBS history.

And, last, but not least, Loyola... Just another Catholic school of the ilk of UDM but with a good, very good MBB team. And I can't forget how MBB put George Mason on the map 12 years ago with their Final Four appearance.

Spot on Steve. I would classify this as "cultural capital".
The value in cultural awareness across the country in the EMU name. EMU football spent somewhere around $6 million and made back close to $5 million and critics are crying over the loss and money spent on football. These critics fail to see or choose to ignore that football can make up for any monetary capital loss with cultural capital, as well as social capital (football donors, alumni stepping foot on campus, etc). I'd be curious to see how the 1991 or 1995 basketball teams correlated to enrollment

That being said, with the number of people that want Creighton to fail to prop up their argument against funding the football program, this upcoming season is critical. It is time to take the next step as a program. I love the mindset and overall character of the team and in 2016 there was a terrific response to the HBO hackjob.
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(04-17-2018 05:17 AM)EMU03 Wrote:  
(04-17-2018 04:01 AM)emu steve Wrote:  https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports.../33901459/

Guys, don't kid yourself, most of the publicity, good or bad, EMU gets in the Detroit area (and national) press is because of sports.

(this is a photo from a D.C. restaurant/bar near CapitalOne Arena before a Wizards' game (I was eating pizza and checking out the game on my tablet).

P.S. Who ever heard of Florida Gulf Coast until a few years ago or UMBC until this year. Hell, I knew UMBC was 'near Baltimore' but didn't know exactly where. Or Mercer before they took down Duke or Middle Tennessee before they took down Michigan State.

In football, Howard U. made waves the first game of the 2017 season by upsetting UNLV as a 45 point underdog, largest in FBS history.

And, last, but not least, Loyola... Just another Catholic school of the ilk of UDM but with a good, very good MBB team. And I can't forget how MBB put George Mason on the map 12 years ago with their Final Four appearance.

Spot on Steve. I would classify this as "cultural capital".
The value in cultural awareness across the country in the EMU name. EMU football spent somewhere around $6 million and made back close to $5 million and critics are crying over the loss and money spent on football. These critics fail to see or choose to ignore that football can make up for any monetary capital loss with cultural capital, as well as social capital (football donors, alumni stepping foot on campus, etc). I'd be curious to see how the 1991 or 1995 basketball teams correlated to enrollment

That being said, with the number of people that want Creighton to fail to prop up their argument against funding the football program, this upcoming season is critical. It is time to take the next step as a program. I love the mindset and overall character of the team and in 2016 there was a terrific response to the HBO hackjob.

Uof Buffalo applications are up. Same thing happened to EMU in '87-88, 92, 97

https://csnbbs.com/thread-848256-post-15...id15254372
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Applications are up in NY State public Universities and Colleges because of the State's Excelsior program.
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(04-17-2018 06:28 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(04-17-2018 05:17 AM)EMU03 Wrote:  
(04-17-2018 04:01 AM)emu steve Wrote:  https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports.../33901459/

Guys, don't kid yourself, most of the publicity, good or bad, EMU gets in the Detroit area (and national) press is because of sports.

(this is a photo from a D.C. restaurant/bar near CapitalOne Arena before a Wizards' game (I was eating pizza and checking out the game on my tablet).

P.S. Who ever heard of Florida Gulf Coast until a few years ago or UMBC until this year. Hell, I knew UMBC was 'near Baltimore' but didn't know exactly where. Or Mercer before they took down Duke or Middle Tennessee before they took down Michigan State.

In football, Howard U. made waves the first game of the 2017 season by upsetting UNLV as a 45 point underdog, largest in FBS history.

And, last, but not least, Loyola... Just another Catholic school of the ilk of UDM but with a good, very good MBB team. And I can't forget how MBB put George Mason on the map 12 years ago with their Final Four appearance.

Spot on Steve. I would classify this as "cultural capital".
The value in cultural awareness across the country in the EMU name. EMU football spent somewhere around $6 million and made back close to $5 million and critics are crying over the loss and money spent on football. These critics fail to see or choose to ignore that football can make up for any monetary capital loss with cultural capital, as well as social capital (football donors, alumni stepping foot on campus, etc). I'd be curious to see how the 1991 or 1995 basketball teams correlated to enrollment

That being said, with the number of people that want Creighton to fail to prop up their argument against funding the football program, this upcoming season is critical. It is time to take the next step as a program. I love the mindset and overall character of the team and in 2016 there was a terrific response to the HBO hackjob.

Uof Buffalo applications are up. Same thing happened to EMU in '87-88, 92, 97

https://csnbbs.com/thread-848256-post-15...id15254372

Buffalo also has the UB 2020 initiative going on - the state is POURING money into the school. maybe michigan should try funding its colleges.
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(04-18-2018 07:00 AM)dansplaining Wrote:  
(04-17-2018 06:28 PM)Luckeyone Wrote:  
(04-17-2018 05:17 AM)EMU03 Wrote:  
(04-17-2018 04:01 AM)emu steve Wrote:  https://www.detroitnews.com/story/sports.../33901459/

Guys, don't kid yourself, most of the publicity, good or bad, EMU gets in the Detroit area (and national) press is because of sports.

(this is a photo from a D.C. restaurant/bar near CapitalOne Arena before a Wizards' game (I was eating pizza and checking out the game on my tablet).

P.S. Who ever heard of Florida Gulf Coast until a few years ago or UMBC until this year. Hell, I knew UMBC was 'near Baltimore' but didn't know exactly where. Or Mercer before they took down Duke or Middle Tennessee before they took down Michigan State.

In football, Howard U. made waves the first game of the 2017 season by upsetting UNLV as a 45 point underdog, largest in FBS history.

And, last, but not least, Loyola... Just another Catholic school of the ilk of UDM but with a good, very good MBB team. And I can't forget how MBB put George Mason on the map 12 years ago with their Final Four appearance.

Spot on Steve. I would classify this as "cultural capital".
The value in cultural awareness across the country in the EMU name. EMU football spent somewhere around $6 million and made back close to $5 million and critics are crying over the loss and money spent on football. These critics fail to see or choose to ignore that football can make up for any monetary capital loss with cultural capital, as well as social capital (football donors, alumni stepping foot on campus, etc). I'd be curious to see how the 1991 or 1995 basketball teams correlated to enrollment

That being said, with the number of people that want Creighton to fail to prop up their argument against funding the football program, this upcoming season is critical. It is time to take the next step as a program. I love the mindset and overall character of the team and in 2016 there was a terrific response to the HBO hackjob.

Uof Buffalo applications are up. Same thing happened to EMU in '87-88, 92, 97

https://csnbbs.com/thread-848256-post-15...id15254372

Buffalo also has the UB 2020 initiative going on - the state is POURING money into the school. maybe michigan should try funding its colleges.

Tons of construction underway on UofMs campus.
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