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RE: Could Supreme Court case spell the end of public sector unions?
(02-12-2018 11:05 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Public sector union: "You give us this contract and we'll donate to your re-election campaign"
This is not how it works and you know that.

That's exactly how it works, except it's, "...and we'll donate to your-election campaign and provide volunteers to help with that campaign and turn up in a bloc to vote for you." And you know that.

Mach, you're better than this.
02-12-2018 11:25 AM
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RE: Could Supreme Court case spell the end of public sector unions?
(02-12-2018 11:05 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Public sector union: "You give us this contract and we'll donate to your re-election campaign"


This is not how it works and you know that.

That's EXACTLY how it works. Maybe not in those exact words but the principal is the same.
02-12-2018 11:28 AM
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RE: Could Supreme Court case spell the end of public sector unions?
It’s not and maybe you don’t know it. Plenty of areas have red school boards and you find a way to make it work. You have bargaining rights. Without them it’s a take it or leave it. Are there places with what you describe? Sure but I would guess the majority of school boards in our state are held by Republicans. Yes we do have the right to vote and yes we do volunteer for certain candidates but that by no means victory for that candidate. The chamber of commerce selects their people too! That’s the part that you guys forget. Plenty of forces are against unions too. You guys just want the deck to continue to be stacked in your favor. You are taking every tool out of the toolbox. It might be a fatal blow. I would argue with Unions Denise you have seen the demise of the middle class. This isn’t rocket science. And...... I do speak the truth.
02-12-2018 11:32 AM
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School boards are voted on. I’m sure there are places that you describe but in my experience it has been the polar opposite.
02-12-2018 11:35 AM
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I've yet to see a union worker who could out-produce someone whose earnings were merit/performance based.
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(02-12-2018 11:21 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Found this about Wisconsin. Fact based article that doesn't take a side. Just the facts. Unions have been decimated. Fast and hard fall.


https://projects.jsonline.com/news/2016/...ct-10.html

From your link:

Quote:Public-sector unions now have to win support from a majority of employees in the bargaining unit, not just a majority of those voting in the certification election. Every year.

Oh the horror! The extortionists are required to have majority support of the people they want to extort money from in order to be a union. We can't have free choice now can we?

Oh and then there's this:

Quote:On a practical — and political — level, labor has less money to boost Democratic campaigns, and a diminished pool of foot soldiers to offer.

Its muscle was not able to secure a Wisconsin win for Feingold, or presidential candidate Hillary Clinton.

Nor has it been enough to block Walker in three elections, or to stop the continued depletion of Democratic lawmakers in the state Senate and Assembly.

Quote:In 1959, state lawmakers handed teachers collective bargaining rights they had not even sought. At the time, they were professionals without union organization rights.

From there, they quickly developed into a political juggernaut in the 1960s and 1970s, fueled by millions of dollars in dues payments.

At the Capitol, legislative leaders would kill bills if a lawmaker didn’t want a vote to anger the statewide Wisconsin Education Association Council, an arm of the National Education Association.
Sounds exactly like what I said.. tit for tat negotiations.
02-12-2018 11:44 AM
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RE: Could Supreme Court case spell the end of public sector unions?
Kaplony,

I said the article was fact based not an opinion piece. You guys have won and I fully expect that Gorsuch will be the final vote to kill unions. Congrats. You've won. Horrible for the middle class in my opinion but the desired effect of killing unions will be complete.
02-12-2018 11:50 AM
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RE: Could Supreme Court case spell the end of public sector unions?
(02-12-2018 11:19 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  At the end of this....

You get teachers arrested for complaining about a Superintendent making 150,000 why teachers make 50,000. That's where Right to Work leads. Inequality.

Yes, it is happening. You've won. It's just bad for the vast majority of society.

It's not bad for the majority of society - just not good for union members.

We all know you are a union shill and always will be. Bottom line, in the public sector the union negotiations are always one sided because the side that is agreeing to some bad deal has no skin in the game and when it goes bad they won't be there to take the fall. It makes for an extremely one sided negotiation.....
02-12-2018 11:52 AM
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Underhandedly and despicably the fascist have won. No sense in denying reality. This will kill unions. Horrible for the middle class in my opinion but the desired effect of killing unions will be complete.
02-12-2018 12:53 PM
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That 1.4 billion saved in taxes sure will buy some elections too. That Citizens United was a decisive victory also. The mouth piece gets larger unions get smaller. No sense of denying reality. Piss in the wind. Corporations have won.
02-12-2018 12:55 PM
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