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RE: A10 Question
(02-01-2018 07:06 AM)mac Wrote:  Wow, some acting like there's hardly a difference in the A10 and CUSA in basketball. I'll tell you one reason I wish we were in it. Just about every year they two three teams into the tournament. That's how VCU gets into the NCAA every year, they sure don't win the conference. That could be us, if they could figure out how to get us in.

But alas, we have football that we will never ever have enough money for. Monarx has it right.

VCU won it in 2015, but they've been to the finals every year since 2013. This year, if URI wins the A10 tourney, the A10 will be a one bid league. If you were to combine the conferences this year, you might have URI at the top, but the next three best teams would be CUSA teams.
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(02-01-2018 07:56 AM)ODUCoach Wrote:  
(02-01-2018 07:06 AM)mac Wrote:  Wow, some acting like there's hardly a difference in the A10 and CUSA in basketball. I'll tell you one reason I wish we were in it. Just about every year they two three teams into the tournament. That's how VCU gets into the NCAA every year, they sure don't win the conference. That could be us, if they could figure out how to get us in.

But alas, we have football that we will never ever have enough money for. Monarx has it right.

VCU won it in 2015, but they've been to the finals every year since 2013. This year, if URI wins the A10 tourney, the A10 will be a one bid league. If you were to combine the conferences this year, you might have URI at the top, but the next three best teams would be CUSA teams.

Yes, the A10 is down this year and could be a 1-bidder.
Yes, CUSA is up this year and still will probably be a 1-bidder unless MTSU or WKU runs the table.

I do think CUSA could improve, and even be a multi bid league if Charlotte, UTEP, and USM become good again, but the A10 is a much better conference until that happens. VCU, Dayton, Davidson, Richmond, and St. Joes are all rebuilding at the same time. In general, they are all programs capable of getting at-large bids in a given year. Having them on our schedule more often than not bolsters our RPI. In our best year (this year) we have 2 teams that might find themselves on a thin bubble if they finish strong. Also, A10 teams that make the tournament get a larger share of the tournament credit money so the success is rewarded rather than given equally to everyone in the conference.
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(02-01-2018 06:38 AM)odu09 Wrote:  I wonder what noise the explosion will make on here when JMU passes us and goes to AAC and get funding for the other half of their stadium 05-stirthepot

About as much of a chance of JMU going AAC as us going SEC.

For the millionth time JMU has NO TV market to speak of. No FBS football conference outside of Big South or CUSA is going to add them. Period.
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Who cares about TV markets? Regional conferences are the future of the G5.
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(01-31-2018 10:00 PM)mturn017 Wrote:  
(01-31-2018 09:24 PM)odu09 Wrote:  I was going to say something about half of you being so rude to this guy, but then I remembered I posted once or twice in the JMU board asking non controversial questions just wanting to get to know the teams better, which both got 0 responses. So, meh.

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Purplehazed knew what he was getting into. We just funnin' with him. He's an FBS or bust guy if I remember correctly so I'm a bit surprised he'd be warm to the A10 if it means staying FCS. I'd probably have been happy with that arrangement if we had gone there instead of CUSA but there's no going back now. We got to get to the AAC or else take most of the eastern CUSA members plus UAB and work something else out. Marshall, WKU, MT, Charlotte, UAB. These schools take basketball seriously and are good at football for the most point. We're starting to gain some familiarity and form some rivalries. Fill in with maybe JMU, App St, GSU,GS. We'd have at least a couple reasonable road trips. I'd be fine with USM and LT but might spread us out too far and they might like to orient westward in a split. Overall I don't regret the move to CUSA but long term I don't know if it's viable as is.

I would not say I'd warm up to fcs if JMU were all other sports A10.

If JMU's admin won't/wouldn't accept an offer from a current G5 and a regional G5 is not on anybody's radar I'd rather be A10 than CAA for basketball, who wouldn't?
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(02-01-2018 12:25 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Who cares about TV markets? Regional conferences are the future of the G5.

Yes. I would have much rather had CUSA go with JMU than the F_Us.
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(02-01-2018 12:25 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Who cares about TV markets? Regional conferences are the future of the G5.

That should be true, there just aren't enough G5 schools in the mid-atlantic to make a regional conference. WIdeally the regional football conference would include a mix of:

However, that would likely make for a terrible basketball conference.

ODU
Richmond - FCS
W&M - FCS
JMU - FCS
George Mason - No Football
VCU - No Football
Delaware - FCS
Towson - FCS
UNC-C - Obvious Pick
Elon - FCS
Villanova - FCS and major basketball conference
Temple - AAC
ECU - AAC
Navy - AAC
Coastal Carolina - FCS
App State - Obvious Pick
Lehigh - FCS
Lafayette - FCS

Once you get much further away than that, you have to charter flights and you are crossing regional TV markets so the idea is moot.

Like it or not, we are in the DC CSN/MASN region. The only obvious picks for a regional conference - UNC-C and App State are not in that region. To form a regional conference with them, we would need a new regional network based in NC.

Non-P"6" Football in the DC region are
ODU
JMU
Richmond
W&M
Towson
Delaware

Lehigh - Philly region in CSN network
Lafayette - Philly region in CSN network

This is why we need to either drop back down. Since there are no true regional G5 football teams, just a couple in different regions that have some proximity, there is no way for ODU to stay in the G5 and be in a regional conference. Only way would be for JMU, Richmond, W&M, Towson, and Delaware to all move up and for GMU and VCU to start FBS football from scratch. JMU is the only one that has indicated any interest. That still only leaves us with an 8-team conference.

Edit: I forgot about Liberty
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We just need the eastern division of CUSA and the eastern portion of the Belt to merge. Bring along JMU and/or Liberty so we can have a in-state rival. Kick Coastal to the curb, since they have a FCS level fanbase. Done. Everyone ends up with closer games and a rival. Much better than what we have in our 2 leagues.
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(02-01-2018 12:58 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  We just need the eastern division of CUSA and the eastern portion of the Belt to merge. Bring along JMU and/or Liberty so we can have a in-state rival. Kick Coastal to the curb, since they have a FCS level fanbase. Done. Everyone ends up with closer games and a rival. Much better than what we have in our 2 leagues.

That would not save us any money or bring any additional regional exposure. It just sweeps sand from one side of the room to the other. There is no school in the Sun Belt aside from App State that will be any cheaper and easier to get to than Rice or North Texas and there are none that will get us on TV more often. We need to just admit we made a mistake and cut our losses.
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(02-01-2018 01:06 PM)EverRespect Wrote:  
(02-01-2018 12:58 PM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  We just need the eastern division of CUSA and the eastern portion of the Belt to merge. Bring along JMU and/or Liberty so we can have a in-state rival. Kick Coastal to the curb, since they have a FCS level fanbase. Done. Everyone ends up with closer games and a rival. Much better than what we have in our 2 leagues.

That would not save us any money or bring any additional regional exposure. It just sweeps sand from one side of the room to the other. There is no school in the Sun Belt aside from App State that will be any cheaper and easier to get to than Rice or North Texas and there are none that will get us on TV more often. We need to just admit we made a mistake and cut our losses.

Having a league with JMU, Marshall, Liberty, and ODU wouldn't improve our regional exposure? How's that? That also adds 2 bus games we don't currently have for pretty much every sport we play.
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