(01-29-2018 04:48 PM)TechRocks Wrote:  

(01-29-2018 03:36 PM)UofMstateU Wrote:  

(01-29-2018 01:47 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I researched the Health Care. if you like it you can keep it. The reason people couldn't keep their older cheaper policies is because everybody's plans improved. Kind of like the fight this past summer. Let people get cheaper plans that don't cover as much. I see the point of it though, but yes you are right Tech. Technically he wasn't speaking the truth if you like your plan you can keep it. I'm sure their were people who liked the cheaper plan covering bare bones. You were right.

Are you seriously trying to say that the people who are pissed off because they lost the doctor or insurance plan actually got a better doctor and insurance plan under Obamacare?

Hard enough to get a liberal to admit that Obama lied. I say we quit while we're ahead.

it's not there yet.....

it's gaining on it....

and it's going to take time to fix that dipshite's cf of economic policy......

ol' boy has to push it forward past the midterms by lowering corporate over subsidized health care whilst promoting continual growth on the profit side of the equation....

it's simply the way it's going to play out or not at this point.....

some other method has to be developed to subsidized those w/o......and it's not ZEROcare.....

(01-28-2018 02:50 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  More whataboutulaism.

Trump cried Fake News when it was absolutely true.

That’s very dangerous. You can go down line by line and dispute your points about Obama’s. Give me one because I don’t have the time to go and back check every rabbit hole. Pick one lie from your list and I will dispute it. It was not a lie.

Do you deny that Obama lied?

(01-29-2018 01:47 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I researched the Health Care. if you like it you can keep it. The reason people couldn't keep their older cheaper policies is because everybody's plans improved. Kind of like the fight this past summer. Let people get cheaper plans that don't cover as much. I see the point of it though, but yes you are right Tech. Technically he wasn't speaking the truth if you like your plan you can keep it. I'm sure their were people who liked the cheaper plan covering bare bones. You were right.

My policy was basically outlawed by the ACA Mach. It was deemed not up to ACA standards. What we ended up with IMO was not one bit better than what I had. It was all BS to FORCE people to pay more for the same schitty plans. Regardless...Obama lied to the American people on this. Maybe not intentionally..but..it was a lie none the less. Im sure I was not the only one that got shafted by this BS.

(01-29-2018 06:45 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-29-2018 01:47 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I researched the Health Care. if you like it you can keep it. The reason people couldn't keep their older cheaper policies is because everybody's plans improved. Kind of like the fight this past summer. Let people get cheaper plans that don't cover as much. I see the point of it though, but yes you are right Tech. Technically he wasn't speaking the truth if you like your plan you can keep it. I'm sure their were people who liked the cheaper plan covering bare bones. You were right.

My policy was basically outlawed by the ACA Mach. It was deemed not up to ACA standards. What we ended up with IMO was not one bit better than what I had. It was all BS to FORCE people to pay more for the same schitty plans. Regardless...Obama lied to the American people on this. Maybe not intentionally..but..it was a lie none the less. Im sure I was not the only one that got shafted by this BS.

I, for one, am pretty sure it was intentional.

(01-29-2018 09:07 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-29-2018 06:45 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-29-2018 01:47 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I researched the Health Care. if you like it you can keep it. The reason people couldn't keep their older cheaper policies is because everybody's plans improved. Kind of like the fight this past summer. Let people get cheaper plans that don't cover as much. I see the point of it though, but yes you are right Tech. Technically he wasn't speaking the truth if you like your plan you can keep it. I'm sure their were people who liked the cheaper plan covering bare bones. You were right.

My policy was basically outlawed by the ACA Mach. It was deemed not up to ACA standards. What we ended up with IMO was not one bit better than what I had. It was all BS to FORCE people to pay more for the same schitty plans. Regardless...Obama lied to the American people on this. Maybe not intentionally..but..it was a lie none the less. Im sure I was not the only one that got shafted by this BS.

I, for one, am pretty sure it was intentional.

what are the odds he gives an 'honorable mention' tomorrow evening how this is still in planning moving forward......

I'm betting he does.....

(01-29-2018 09:07 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(01-29-2018 06:45 PM)Fo Shizzle Wrote:  

(01-29-2018 01:47 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I researched the Health Care. if you like it you can keep it. The reason people couldn't keep their older cheaper policies is because everybody's plans improved. Kind of like the fight this past summer. Let people get cheaper plans that don't cover as much. I see the point of it though, but yes you are right Tech. Technically he wasn't speaking the truth if you like your plan you can keep it. I'm sure their were people who liked the cheaper plan covering bare bones. You were right.

My policy was basically outlawed by the ACA Mach. It was deemed not up to ACA standards. What we ended up with IMO was not one bit better than what I had. It was all BS to FORCE people to pay more for the same schitty plans. Regardless...Obama lied to the American people on this. Maybe not intentionally..but..it was a lie none the less. Im sure I was not the only one that got shafted by this BS.

I, for one, am pretty sure it was intentional.

Well, I for one KNOW it was intentional, the grubers even admitted so.

BUT, the grubers are still clinging to something they know, literally, nothing about but spout the talking points they are instructed to spout. It's becoming embarrassing...

(01-29-2018 03:43 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-29-2018 03:42 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I'm paying about the same for a plan that covers less for three people that I was paying for a plan that covered more for four. I would be paying more if my oldest son wasn't under his own plan through the military.

Oh and I lost my doctor too. Wanted to keep him and that was what I was promised but that was as much BS as "if you like your plan you can keep your plan" or "The NSA is not spying on Americans" or "No boots on the ground in Syria"...or just about every other time that empty suit opened his mouth.

it was a wealth siphon......that's all it was.....

It was more than that. It was a nuclear bomb thrown into the heart of the American health care system. Blow the private sector system up so you can come back in and ‘save’ it with single payer socialism.

(01-30-2018 10:33 AM)SoMs Eagle Wrote:  

(01-29-2018 03:43 PM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(01-29-2018 03:42 PM)Kaplony Wrote:  I'm paying about the same for a plan that covers less for three people that I was paying for a plan that covered more for four. I would be paying more if my oldest son wasn't under his own plan through the military.

Oh and I lost my doctor too. Wanted to keep him and that was what I was promised but that was as much BS as "if you like your plan you can keep your plan" or "The NSA is not spying on Americans" or "No boots on the ground in Syria"...or just about every other time that empty suit opened his mouth.

it was a wealth siphon......that's all it was.....

It was more than that. It was a nuclear bomb thrown into the heart of the American health care system. Blow the private sector system up so you can come back in and ‘save’ it with single payer socialism.

This is 100% correct.

Known, intentional, and cynically used, with predictable outcomes and knowledge of what will clearly happen, and we're clearly seeing it right, frigging, now!

These grubers should own a lot of this personally.

Yall pay the bills for a change, and for the first time, in a long time, BUCK UP!

See if they change their tune. Har har.