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RE: College football doesn't fairly name a national champion
(01-05-2018 10:26 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  Yes they will. They will also make absurd excuses and rationalizations and try to convince others that its normal and proper to have a corrupt monopoly and that it would be bad to not have it.

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I'd be okay with one access spot to the playoffs, meaning a likely 8-team playoff.
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(01-05-2018 09:46 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It would be equally as unfair to put a 12-0 team that had the easiest schedule in college football in the mix.

I'm not alluding to UCF in that statement but speaking generally.

There isn't a "fair" way to do it that everybody in college football would call fair.

That's where you're wrong. First off, they won all of their games, so they did all they could control plus the AAC has proven it can be strong in recent years, with multiple ranked teams.

But okay, toss that aside for now. There is a fair way and it's the way pretty much every sports league except European soccer does. Everyone that wins their division gets a chance to win the title,

But okay, you don't think all ten conferences are equals. You can still have a playoff with the worthy conferences, plus at-larges or at least one spot for the non-worthy conferences.

As I said in the OP though, the UCF situation is nothing new.

1. We can just agree to disagree.

2. Yes, let's. We still have the issue of conferences not being equal. They simply aren't. What good does leaving a spot for the "non-worthy" do other than displace a worthy team?
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RE: College football doesn't fairly name a national champion
All conference champs in is only "fair" if comparable schedules.

What i would really like is a de-emphasis on the national title and more emphasis on the major bowls. We are at risking of hurting a lot of thinga that make college football sppecial
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RE: College football doesn't fairly name a national champion
(01-05-2018 10:44 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 10:29 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 09:48 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 09:46 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It would be equally as unfair to put a 12-0 team that had the easiest schedule in college football in the mix.

I'm not alluding to UCF in that statement but speaking generally.

There isn't a "fair" way to do it that everybody in college football would call fair.
Yes, there is. All conference champions get playoff spots like any real sport.

So if Ark-State wins its conference with a 7-5 record and makes the playoffs, while 12-1 Clemson doesn't win its conference so doesn't make the playoffs, that's "fair"?

In real sports you generally have division champions and a couple of wildcards. This is not unusual or "unfair".

What makes it seem "unfair" in college football is that the cartel structure has stunted any potential parity between conferences and widened the gap.

LSU, Bama, and the rest of the elites have extreme institutionalized recruiting advantages, one of which is the fact that they have playoff access and others do not.

If FBS football became like any other sports league in the world then the "have-nots" would recruit better due to playoff access, increased attention, and relevancy. With this, the perception of "unfair" would decrease.

How sports leagues should operate is pretty straightforward. Half the league having no championship access before a game is played is not how they are supposed to work.



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You act as if those advantages are unearned, as if one or two things were changed certain programs would become equals.

That's just not true.
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5 P5 champs
1 top G5 champ
2 at large
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8 teams
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(01-05-2018 10:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 10:17 AM)goodknightfl Wrote:  I am rooting for AL for the first time ever. I want the 2nd place team in Sec West, 3 place team in SEC to be National champs, while UCF the Undefeated AAC champ, and AAC east champ, And peach bowl champ, who beat the Sec West champ, that beat the national champ for 1st place in SEC west. is not the legitimate champion..

Only in college football elitist circles does that make sense. or in the mind of mr potato head..

First, in many sports, teams that don't win their division win the championship, happens all the time. In the NFL, i saw a 10-6 team, a wild card, beat a 16-0 team to win the Super Bowl.

Second, transitivity is silly. LSU beat Syracuse this year, Syracuse beat Clemson, so i guess LSU deserved a playoff spot more than Clemson? Dumb thinking.

Nobody in their right mind would say that UCF beating a 3-loss Auburn team that didn't win their conference is a big deal. It's not.

Heck, how many conference champs did UCF beat this year? If Alabama wins the title, they will have beaten the ACC champ and the SEC champ.

UCF? Anybody?

All relevant points. But you also cannot ignore the institutionalized advantages that an Alabama has over a UCF.

Due to the system Alabama has a recruiting advantage over UCF because it has playoff access and UCF does not.

Due to the system Alabama generally has additional home games against ranked foes built-in that UCF does not enjoy.

There are others.

So yes, Alabama is a much better team than UCF is, there is no denying it. But the system is set up to make it easy for Alabama to be a much better team than UCF...in fact almost certain to be a much better team than UCF...every year...no matter what UCF does.

So you have to take that into account when you judge their relative accomplishments.

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I guess guys this is how I differ. Winning the national title does not matter to me half as much as how I enjoy the season and I absolutely love the college football set-up. Start having any conference with an auto bid or go beyind 4 teams (2 or none was better) and much of the things I lovr about the season are downplayed and this is just like any other sport. I get other perspectives, but this is the sport i fell in love with.
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(01-05-2018 10:55 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 10:44 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 10:29 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 09:48 AM)ark30inf Wrote:  
(01-05-2018 09:46 AM)HeartOfDixie Wrote:  It would be equally as unfair to put a 12-0 team that had the easiest schedule in college football in the mix.

I'm not alluding to UCF in that statement but speaking generally.

There isn't a "fair" way to do it that everybody in college football would call fair.
Yes, there is. All conference champions get playoff spots like any real sport.

So if Ark-State wins its conference with a 7-5 record and makes the playoffs, while 12-1 Clemson doesn't win its conference so doesn't make the playoffs, that's "fair"?

In real sports you generally have division champions and a couple of wildcards. This is not unusual or "unfair".

What makes it seem "unfair" in college football is that the cartel structure has stunted any potential parity between conferences and widened the gap.

LSU, Bama, and the rest of the elites have extreme institutionalized recruiting advantages, one of which is the fact that they have playoff access and others do not.

If FBS football became like any other sports league in the world then the "have-nots" would recruit better due to playoff access, increased attention, and relevancy. With this, the perception of "unfair" would decrease.

How sports leagues should operate is pretty straightforward. Half the league having no championship access before a game is played is not how they are supposed to work.



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You act as if those advantages are unearned, as if one or two things were changed certain programs would become equals.

That's just not true.
College football is never...ever going to be fair. A university with 50,000 enrollment in LA with a billion dollar endowment will ALWAYS have advantages over a school of 15,000 in northeast Arkansas or Boise, Idaho.

That's fine. Nobody expects a level of parity similar to a professional league.

But what should be expected is that every single FBS player should start the year with a pre-defined path that will get them to an FBS championship based only on what they DO on the field. That should be an absolute minimum requirement for ANY alleged sports league.

Nobody is expecting a level playing field...but access to the un-level playing field is not too much to expect.

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(01-05-2018 10:52 AM)ohio1317 Wrote:  All conference champs in is only "fair" if comparable schedules.

What i would really like is a de-emphasis on the national title and more emphasis on the major bowls. We are at risking of hurting a lot of thinga that make college football sppecial

This doesn't sound right coming from a fan of a team in the conference which...
...broke up the Pitt/Penn State rivalry
...then broke up the Nebraska / Oklahoma rivalry
...then pulled Maryland from it's 50-year conference home

With all those disruptions to OTHER conferences, pardon me if I just don't see the Big Ten as the champions of college football tradition.
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16 team playoff:
10 conference Champs
6 at-Large

Everybody has a chance.
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