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RE: Notre Dame to examine future scheduling strategy
(01-07-2018 12:29 AM)Ewglenn Wrote:  
(12-31-2017 12:09 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(12-31-2017 10:09 AM)Hokie Mark Wrote:  
(12-31-2017 09:42 AM)AllTideUp Wrote:  Brian Kelly talked yesterday about altering their approach to scheduling.

Sounds like he wants to add a few cupcakes to the diet.

The question, of course, is are they interested in just trading a few games for G5 opponents or do they want something more holistic?

Kelly has already spoken in the past about how difficult the travel schedule makes things. And obviously, the stated goal is to make it more likely that you enter the CFP. There are only so many ways to solve these problems effectively.

When they signed up for 5 ACC games per year, they probably thought "Wake Forest, Duke, UNC, Virginia... OK!". They failed to consider FSU, Clemson, Virginia Tech, Miami, Louisville... oh, and Duke beat them in South Bend last year, too. Not the automatic wins they were expecting!

This says more about what they've become than anything else. Notre Dame no longer can recruit the whole nation as they once did. To be sure they still recruit the whole nation, but their brand has so faded, especially in an increasingly secular world, so that now they no longer get what would be 4 & 5 star recruits in California, Texas and Florida, but rather 3 star and occasional 4 star recruits in those places.

Notre Dame is no longer seen by recruits as a big game school at which to showcase their talents and they no longer have the name to pull them in on down years. Add to it Kelly's rotten PR capabilities and you have what you have.

Notre Dame might as well join the ACC in full because then they would get at least 3 games a year that would be easier than their present schedule. It should also be painfully obvious by now that USC is no longer "the" game that it once was.

Other than the ACC, the Big 10 West would be the best place for them, but with it comes utter obscurity.

They have three 4* signed players from Florida for next year.

ND just went 10-3 and beat LSU in a New Year's Bowl game. That is two 10 win seasons in the last three years. Not bad.

ND is ranked #6 in recruiting. But, the internet is full of folks predicting its demise or its supposed cave in to the conference Borg. It must be the offseason.
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RE: Notre Dame to examine future scheduling strategy
(01-07-2018 11:33 AM)TerryD Wrote:  ND just went 10-3 and beat LSU in a New Year's Bowl game. That is two 10 win seasons in the last three years. Not bad.

ND is ranked #6 in recruiting. But, the internet is full of folks predicting its demise or its supposed cave in to the conference Borg. It must be the offseason.

If I could piggyback on something I put in another thread...

I wouldn't discount the statements of Brian Kelly on issues like this. He may not be the guy who makes the decisions, but he's spoken out on these topics a few times now. If he doesn't have permission from the administration to share these sentiments then I think someone would have taken him aside behind closed doors and told him to pipe down.

What I think is more likely is that he is being used to plant these ideas in the minds of the Irish faithful and thus to soften the blow.
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RE: Notre Dame to examine future scheduling strategy
(01-04-2018 12:55 PM)XLance Wrote:  
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(12-31-2017 10:52 AM)hawghiggs Wrote:  Works for me. Arkansas is supposed to play them in 2020. I'd rather not play them. I'd rather see Arkansas play Houston or any other old SWC member.

I'd love to see South Carolina do a home and home, but I don't see it happening. We seem married to the idea of playing UNC/NC State in Charlotte anytime we schedule a second P5 OOC game.

Curious, in that all of those games have been orchestrated by South Carolina.

No denying that. Personally, I think it's largely the brainchild of Ray Tanner/Steve Spurrier. As far as I know no future matchups have been scheduled since Muschamp took over.

I'm just saying I'm not a huge fan, particularly of scheduling NC State. I think UNC in Charlotte every four years (2015, 2019, 2023) is probably about the perfect amount.

State and South Carolina had a great rivalry, actually much more intense than the Carolina/lil' carolina series

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NC_State%E...ll_rivalry

Like to see SC rotate NC State, UNC, and Georgia Tech through their future schedules along with the annual Clemson rivalry game. If SC rekindled a H&H with Virginia and a H&H with Maryland I'd drive down to Charlotte and University Park to watch those games too. 04-cheers
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RE: Notre Dame to examine future scheduling strategy
(Yesterday 07:56 PM)SC-KNIGHT Wrote:  
(01-04-2018 12:55 PM)XLance Wrote:  
(01-04-2018 10:43 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(01-04-2018 09:48 AM)XLance Wrote:  
(01-03-2018 10:56 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  I'd love to see South Carolina do a home and home, but I don't see it happening. We seem married to the idea of playing UNC/NC State in Charlotte anytime we schedule a second P5 OOC game.

Curious, in that all of those games have been orchestrated by South Carolina.

No denying that. Personally, I think it's largely the brainchild of Ray Tanner/Steve Spurrier. As far as I know no future matchups have been scheduled since Muschamp took over.

I'm just saying I'm not a huge fan, particularly of scheduling NC State. I think UNC in Charlotte every four years (2015, 2019, 2023) is probably about the perfect amount.

State and South Carolina had a great rivalry, actually much more intense than the Carolina/lil' carolina series

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NC_State%E...ll_rivalry

Like to see SC rotate NC State, UNC, and Georgia Tech through their future schedules along with the annual Clemson rivalry game. If SC rekindled a H&H with Virginia and a H&H with Maryland I'd drive down to Charlotte and University Park to watch those games too. 04-cheers

State, Carolina, Georgia Tech, Maryland, UVa, Clemson...........sounds like your just jonesing for the ACC.03-cool
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RE: Notre Dame to examine future scheduling strategy
(01-08-2018 12:13 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 11:33 AM)TerryD Wrote:  ND just went 10-3 and beat LSU in a New Year's Bowl game. That is two 10 win seasons in the last three years. Not bad.

ND is ranked #6 in recruiting. But, the internet is full of folks predicting its demise or its supposed cave in to the conference Borg. It must be the offseason.

If I could piggyback on something I put in another thread...

I wouldn't discount the statements of Brian Kelly on issues like this. He may not be the guy who makes the decisions, but he's spoken out on these topics a few times now. If he doesn't have permission from the administration to share these sentiments then I think someone would have taken him aside behind closed doors and told him to pipe down.

What I think is more likely is that he is being used to plant these ideas in the minds of the Irish faithful and thus to soften the blow.

People have been saying that for over 20 years now. I heard that in 2003, it was a "done deal" that ND was going to join the ACC in full, with a 7 year phase in to "soften the blow".

In 2012, when ND partially joined the ACC, many fans of that conference thought there was a "secret deal" between ND and the ACC, with a "breathing space" built in to soften up the Irish fan rubes to the "real deal" of phased in full conference membership.

Didn't happen and won't happen.

All of these types of comments assume that ND fans are a mindless bunch and that some sort of psychological "softening" or trick is somehow going to magically wipe away the total negativity that Irish football fans feel towards conference affiliation.

I guess we will see these types of posts in 2028, as well.
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RE: Notre Dame to examine future scheduling strategy
(Today 10:56 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(01-08-2018 12:13 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 11:33 AM)TerryD Wrote:  ND just went 10-3 and beat LSU in a New Year's Bowl game. That is two 10 win seasons in the last three years. Not bad.

ND is ranked #6 in recruiting. But, the internet is full of folks predicting its demise or its supposed cave in to the conference Borg. It must be the offseason.

If I could piggyback on something I put in another thread...

I wouldn't discount the statements of Brian Kelly on issues like this. He may not be the guy who makes the decisions, but he's spoken out on these topics a few times now. If he doesn't have permission from the administration to share these sentiments then I think someone would have taken him aside behind closed doors and told him to pipe down.

What I think is more likely is that he is being used to plant these ideas in the minds of the Irish faithful and thus to soften the blow.

People have been saying that for over 20 years now. I heard that in 2003, it was a "done deal" that ND was going to join the ACC in full, with a 7 year phase in to "soften the blow".

In 2012, when ND partially joined the ACC, many fans of that conference thought there was a "secret deal" between ND and the ACC, with a "breathing space" built in to soften up the Irish fan rubes to the "real deal" of phased in full conference membership.

Didn't happen and won't happen.

All of these types of comments assume that ND fans are a mindless bunch and that some sort of psychological "softening" or trick is somehow going to magically wipe away the total negativity that Irish football fans feel towards conference affiliation.

I guess we will see these types of posts in 2028, as well.

I don't see Notre Dame joining in full at any time. However, if they decide to join the ACC, then I bet their agreement includes a clause saying they can have the football program leave the ACC as a full-time member without penalty and be able to maintain their other sports in the ACC.
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RE: Notre Dame to examine future scheduling strategy
(Today 10:56 AM)TerryD Wrote:  
(01-08-2018 12:13 PM)AllTideUp Wrote:  
(01-07-2018 11:33 AM)TerryD Wrote:  ND just went 10-3 and beat LSU in a New Year's Bowl game. That is two 10 win seasons in the last three years. Not bad.

ND is ranked #6 in recruiting. But, the internet is full of folks predicting its demise or its supposed cave in to the conference Borg. It must be the offseason.

If I could piggyback on something I put in another thread...

I wouldn't discount the statements of Brian Kelly on issues like this. He may not be the guy who makes the decisions, but he's spoken out on these topics a few times now. If he doesn't have permission from the administration to share these sentiments then I think someone would have taken him aside behind closed doors and told him to pipe down.

What I think is more likely is that he is being used to plant these ideas in the minds of the Irish faithful and thus to soften the blow.

People have been saying that for over 20 years now. I heard that in 2003, it was a "done deal" that ND was going to join the ACC in full, with a 7 year phase in to "soften the blow".

In 2012, when ND partially joined the ACC, many fans of that conference thought there was a "secret deal" between ND and the ACC, with a "breathing space" built in to soften up the Irish fan rubes to the "real deal" of phased in full conference membership.

Didn't happen and won't happen.

All of these types of comments assume that ND fans are a mindless bunch and that some sort of psychological "softening" or trick is somehow going to magically wipe away the total negativity that Irish football fans feel towards conference affiliation.

I guess we will see these types of posts in 2028, as well.

It's yet to be determined whether ND joining in 2012 produced an agreement that would lead to them eventually joining in full. They are, after all, obligated to join the ACC if they decide to join one at all before 2027. That's an odd feature to have in a contract and a completely worthless one if the powers that be had no intention of ever joining a league under any circumstances. It's entirely possible that the people crafting that contract know more than you or I do.

And nobody said Irish fans were rubes. What's being said is that perhaps their collective negativity is based in tradition and custom rather than an examination of the circumstances. The truth of the matter is that Notre Dame fans don't know what it's like to have their football team in a conference because it's never happened before. If people spend a few years contemplating the idea though and then it happens, well maybe they realize it wasn't an earth shattering tragedy for it to happen.
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