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RE: Potential XFL return
As I said in another thread, it'd be a way better idea if Vince tried to elevate MLL or MLS into a legit major league instead of yet another sure fire spring football league failure.
12-27-2017 09:03 AM
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(12-26-2017 11:40 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  So I was unaware the that the Silver Dome was demolished. It wasn't a market I thought was even critical to an upstart football league--just a city that I thought still has a former NFL stadium that was vacant.

I was privy to the fact that RFK lost their MLS tenant. All the more reason to try to find a new one. As for the Astrodome, if it's too far gone both Rice and Houston have facilities. Places like Orlando, San Antonio, San Diego, Oakland, St. Louis, Memphis, Dallas, and Birmingham all have stadiums that are turn key albeit in many cases old. I think the historic stadiums could be part of the allure.

In 2001 the XFL was well financed and had respectable gate attendance. The UFL did not have the same time of media frenzy around it nor the financial backing needed to successfully back a start up league. I'm fairly confident that a new league could duplicate the XFL numbers. A lot of people like to bash the XFL as a very public failure--I don't see it as such. It was an experiment that wasn't given enough time to realize its maximum potential.

I also think a city's soccer attendance is not indicative of what it would draw for football. By in large football fans are not the same people that are drawn to soccer.

3 cities that I identified as critical either just lost or are in the process of losing an NFL team. Fans will come out and support a new team just to spite Goddell. Remember the CFL experiment? Baltimore was a success because the fans their had experienced the loss of the Colts and were desperate to have the sport back in their city

RFK is a dump. The city is not going to put money in it for this, if they did, they would have done it for the United or the Nationals. It was more feasible to build a new stadium elsewhere. The only way it gets a stadium there is if they build a new one for the Redskins, but that will likely be in Loudoun County near Dulles airport

At some point the entire property will be developed. It's nearly 300 acres with a Metro line running through it and an existing station.
12-27-2017 09:25 AM
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I would go into markets that do not have a NFL team in the city.

NORTH
Omaha - (TD Ameritrade Park)
St. Louis - (America's Center)
Milwaukee - (Miller Park)
Louisville - (Papa Johns Stadium)

SOUTH
Birmingham - (Legion Field)
Memphis - (Liberty Bowl)
San Antonio - (Alamo Dome)
Orlando - (Camping World Stadium)

EAST
New York City - (Yankee Stadium)
Boston - (Fenway Park)
Virginia Beach - (Foreman Field)
Raleigh - (Carter-Finley Stadium)

WEST
Oakland - (Oakland Alameda Coliseum)
San Diego - (SDCCU Stadium)
Portland - (Providence Park)
Salt Lake City - (Rice-Eccles Stadium)

Most of those stadiums are smaller which will help with stadium experience
12-27-2017 10:24 AM
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(12-26-2017 07:34 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  If a new league REALLY wanted to make a dent in the NFL ...

... make all player contracts GUARANTEED.

THAT would get a crap ton of "middle of the road" NFL players to make the jump. Those players have the most to gain from that kind of contract. And it would force the NFL to match that going forward.

Agreed.

I'm mixed on bypassing college, but even a 1-and-done thing would really **** up things for colleges and the NFL, because now you have some college training, even if on a bench or red-shirted, and guys having the option of leaving if they hate it.

If you REALLY want to get into hot water with the NFL and FBS, don't cap rookie salaries. Or, at least, put in enough of a cap that would give emerging pros some pause when considering their options. Muck up the middle rounds in the NFL where teams steal talent at rock-bottom prices; you may find it better to play in the XFL as a first or second-rounder than the NFL third through fifth.

Overall, I'm not sure you need another league, but it wouldn't take a whole lot to really disrupt the stranglehold the NFL and NCAA has over the sport, and, I think that's the real chaser here. The NCAA, especially, needs to feel the heat with competition more than the NFL. Or, specifically, football players need to have other options after high school than dealing with the outmoded pro pipeline that college ball has become. And, I'd say is spoiling the pool for the current pro product anyway.

And, yes, use the MLS stadiums. They're in good markets. So tired of the passed over markets the World League and XFL tried.
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Sounds good to me and have it compete with the NFL in the fall. TV sets will determine which league the fans want to see and support. Especially with the NFL going all political and there seems to be no will to change that and will double down on it and have even more fans and viewers of the NFL decline even more.
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It's probably too far gone at this point, but if he was going to boost or revive a league: Arena Football.

Gets him back into football, arenaball is an edgier, fan-friendlier and more entertaining version of the sport, and Vince obviously has good relationships with most American arenas.
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(12-27-2017 10:24 AM)Carolina_Low_Country Wrote:  I would go into markets that do not have a NFL team in the city.

NORTH
Omaha - (TD Ameritrade Park)
St. Louis - (America's Center)
Milwaukee - (Miller Park)
Louisville - (Papa Johns Stadium)

SOUTH
Birmingham - (Legion Field)
Memphis - (Liberty Bowl)
San Antonio - (Alamo Dome)
Orlando - (Camping World Stadium)

EAST
New York City - (Yankee Stadium)
Boston - (Fenway Park)
Virginia Beach - (Foreman Field)
Raleigh - (Carter-Finley Stadium)

WEST
Oakland - (Oakland Alameda Coliseum)
San Diego - (SDCCU Stadium)
Portland - (Providence Park)
Salt Lake City - (Rice-Eccles Stadium)

Most of those stadiums are smaller which will help with stadium experience

This is not a bad list.
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All I want is the XFL to come back with LaVar Ball as commissioner
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(12-27-2017 02:46 AM)Renandpat Wrote:  
(12-27-2017 02:31 AM)lew240z Wrote:  Saint Louis can be removed from the list. The convention center makes more money, and I mean a hell of a lot more money, without football. The convention center lost at least $50,000 each time the Rams played. And that doesn't count the lost revenue from not being able to rent the space during the football season. The convention center made a profit of more than $1,000,000 on a BeyoncĂ© concert. It is expected that the convention center will make that kind of money again with the Taylor Swift concert next year.

Plus, Vince specified grass fields last time so if he keeps constant, domes are out.

Just because they said no turf last time doesn't mean they will stick with that this time around. 2 of the best markets available out there--St Louis and San Antonio are domed.

The main reason they were anti-Turf last time around was that turf in 2001 looked terrible and wasn't very safe. We've come a long way since then.
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(12-27-2017 02:33 AM)Policiious Wrote:  Spring football will only work in a few markets, ANy city with an MLB franchise is going to be a tough sell for the XFL.

Memphis, Orlando, Birmingham, and San Antonio don't have MLB to compete with.

Last time around Chicago, NYC, San Francisco, and LA all had MLB (in fact 2 teams each) and they still drew respectably.
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