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(12-27-2017 12:21 AM)Renandpat Wrote:  
(12-26-2017 11:40 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  So I was unaware the that the Silver Dome was demolished. It wasn't a market I thought was even critical to an upstart football league--just a city that I thought still has a former NFL stadium that was vacant.

I was privy to the fact that RFK lost their MLS tenant. All the more reason to try to find a new one. As for the Astrodome, if it's too far gone both Rice and Houston have facilities. Places like Orlando, San Antonio, San Diego, Oakland, St. Louis, Memphis, Dallas, and Birmingham all have stadiums that are turn key albeit in many cases old. I think the historic stadiums could be part of the allure.

In 2001 the XFL was well financed and had respectable gate attendance. The UFL did not have the same time of media frenzy around it nor the financial backing needed to successfully back a start up league. [b]I'm fairly confident that a new league could duplicate the XFL numbers. A lot of people like to bash the XFL as a very public failure--I don't see it as such. It was an experiment that wasn't given enough time to realize its maximum potential. [/b]

I also think a city's soccer attendance is not indicative of what it would draw for football. By in large football fans are not the same people that are drawn to soccer.

3 cities that I identified as critical either just lost or are in the process of losing an NFL team. Fans will come out and support a new team just to spite Goddell. Remember the CFL experiment? Baltimore was a success because the fans their had experienced the loss of the Colts and were desperate to have the sport back in their city
Well financed? The WWE and GE each lost between $20-35MM depending on the major story you try to Google.

So in regards to your bolded statement, a "new league" will just have the same losses as the XFL. That's not good at all, G.

Um, in 2001, the XFL expected 40% of their revenue to be based from TV ad dollars. That won't occur in 2018, so the gate is even more important.

Alt-football wants to desperately target Millennials, which is also the same audience which the MLS and the USL attracts en masse. They have that audience big time. Spare pro/semi-pro football, not so much...Ever. Those who watched/attended/loved much of the WFL, USFL, WAFL, CFL, and even the XFL are now likely in their late 40's at best and near 70 or dead. That's not the best demographic as they've seen numerous leagues in their town vanish, like a Italian restaurant/pizza place in a local strip mall start and fail year after year.

Bottom line is that even a Vince McMahon and every alt-football founder who has much, much less cash must price a ticket at $35+ to hope to break even and families don't want to pay that much money for $hitty semi-pro football live in a stadium.

Well financed means that this involved in the venture had plenty of capital to invest--it has nothing to do with whether or not you made a profit in your first year. Well financed means having the financial resources of entertainment giants like NBC and WWE. It's very rare for a start up business to turn a profit in their first year. It takes time to grow your brand and recover the initial investment required to get off the ground.

I also disagree with the notion that this league would be targeting Millenials as their audience. Millenials are the audience that the NFL tried to pander to by getting political and letting the anthem protests go on--look how well that went for them--instead of attracting an audience it drew many of the die hard fans away as evidenced by all of the empty seats. The target audience for this league is a bit older and politically right leaning. They want the folks who are disenfranchised with the way the sport has been commercialized. They want the folks who the NFL turned their backs on by either allowing their team to move away, disrespecting their nation's flag, or pricing them out of their markets with their high cost of attendance.[/color]
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(12-27-2017 05:19 PM)nickp Wrote:  All I want is the XFL to come back with LaVar Ball as commissioner

And they can play Footbasketball
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Mods, can we please move this to the pro sports board??
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I can't think of a single reason why we need more football leagues. If this is intended just as an alternative to college ball for recently graduated HS players, then it's essentially always going to be a minor (feeder) league for the NFL, and not a competitor with it.

If, instead, it is truly intended to compete with the NFL, then it needs to find markets the NFL doesn't already serve that are large enough and rabid enough to support a pro franchise. There aren't a lot of those.

And if those new franchises are going to compete with NFL teams for the top players, they are going to need very deep pockets and a high tolerance for pain. There are already not nearly enough good pro-style quarterbacks to go around just for NFL teams. A new league would probably have to differentiate itself by emphasizing the dual threat QB style that less talented college teams use to stay competitive with the big dogs.

Bottom line is that they would need to be a discernably different product to have a chance at survival. And that difference would have to be seen on the field, not just in politics.
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(12-28-2017 01:15 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Mods, can we please move this to the pro sports board??

Who cares? As long as the board isn't flooded with these, why does it matter?
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(12-28-2017 01:50 PM)ken d Wrote:  I can't think of a single reason why we need more football leagues. If this is intended just as an alternative to college ball for recently graduated HS players, then it's essentially always going to be a minor (feeder) league for the NFL, and not a competitor with it.

If, instead, it is truly intended to compete with the NFL, then it needs to find markets the NFL doesn't already serve that are large enough and rabid enough to support a pro franchise. There aren't a lot of those.

And if those new franchises are going to compete with NFL teams for the top players, they are going to need very deep pockets and a high tolerance for pain. There are already not nearly enough good pro-style quarterbacks to go around just for NFL teams. A new league would probably have to differentiate itself by emphasizing the dual threat QB style that less talented college teams use to stay competitive with the big dogs.

Bottom line is that they would need to be a discernably different product to have a chance at survival. And that difference would have to be seen on the field, not just in politics.

You don't go to only small/non-markets, you go to large markets, even if you don't play in the heart of town. But you need the media exposure that being in a New York or LA brings. But this isn't the 1960's or 80's, the NFL has reached a critical mass. Any challenger is sure to fail or at best be irrelevant. It's not even a guarantee the NFL will remain relevant in the coming decades. I think many are bored with or turned off politically by it.
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(12-28-2017 04:53 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(12-28-2017 01:15 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Mods, can we please move this to the pro sports board??

Who cares? As long as the board isn't flooded with these, why does it matter?

There's a pro sports board?
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(12-28-2017 05:52 PM)Fighting Muskie Wrote:  
(12-28-2017 04:53 PM)_C2_ Wrote:  
(12-28-2017 01:15 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Mods, can we please move this to the pro sports board??

Who cares? As long as the board isn't flooded with these, why does it matter?

There's a pro sports board?

Look under Lounge/Pro Sports
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(12-26-2017 07:34 PM)Pervis_Griffith Wrote:  If a new league REALLY wanted to make a dent in the NFL ...

... make all player contracts GUARANTEED.

THAT would get a crap ton of "middle of the road" NFL players to make the jump. Those players have the most to gain from that kind of contract. And it would force the NFL to match that going forward.

That won’t happen. He doesn’t even guarantee the contracts on his day job.

But... I think the goal is not to take on the bro head to head, but to be more of a cod type league.
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With the announcement official today I have to dredge up this old thread.

I still think the best bets are cities that the NFL abandoned: St Louis, San Diego, and Oakland

Next you have to look at top 35 markets the NFL ignores: Orlando, San Antonio

Toss in a few smaller, but football rabid ones: Memphis, Birmingham, Salt Lake City

I think you also take a chance that you can generate some market penetration in a few really big markets with a focus on ones where football is very popular: Dallas, Houston, Atlanta, NYC

there you have it-- a 12 team XFL
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