(12-18-2017 05:14 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 05:03 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 04:31 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 03:00 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 09:16 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Since ISU beat both OU & TCU (the B12 north & south champs) & their biggest loss was 10 pts, it's pretty obvious they are pretty good. Like most every other Memphis opponent, we will have to out-score them (as opposed to a strong showing by the defense which isn't expected). Hoping for a game like ISU played against OSU which they lost 49-42, I think.

I am a little frustrated with how badly people don't understand our defense.

If our defense wasn't good, we don't win seven games this season.

ULM, we overcame the loss of three starters for the season, and they only scored in the first half off the drive set up by one of those injuries.

UCLA, the turnovers we caused won the game.

UCF, five turnovers, most in the redzone sealed that game. Two blown plays, also overcoming more injuries were their big plays. We still played well enough to win that game if the offense doesn't self-destruct.

Navy, we start the game with a turnover inside our 15. Had we not caused multiple turnovers, we don't win. Second lowest offensive output of the season. We also held them more than 100 yards under their season average (Better than Notre Dame).

Houston. We would've only given up 7 points in the first half had it not been two turnovers inside our own 30. In the second half, none of our drives lasted more than 2:15. We were on the field almost the whole second half, not to mention the majority of the first.

Tulane, we were up 35-0 and they had 32 total yards. Yes, we took the foot off the gas and played backups possibly too early, but it was total domination in the first half.

Tulsa and ECU were total dominance. SMU, at least 21 of their points were absolutely horrible calls by the refs that either kept drives alive or GAVE them 50 yards of a 62 yard drive.

Yes, statistically our defense is bad, but 1) it doesn't take into account how many of those yards were gained after the game was mostly decided and 2) doesn't account for all the injuries we've had this season. How many players on our defense didn't miss time this season... FIVE! Everyone else on the 1 or 2 deep missed time due to injuries and three due to targeting.

Point is, I think our defense has allowed enough points to say we will have to outscore the opposition to win. Doesn't mean our D doesn't get a crucial stop here & there but I don't think anyone is under the allusion we can score 14 pts & beat an opponent with a good offense.

No, but just how many teams have a defense that can do that?!

Iowa State sure couldn't score 14 and hope to win. So, why are you making it seem that we are going to have to score a huge amount of points to win?

And to your credit, overlooking the "isn't expected" part, your criticism of the defense was pretty light compared to many. I have seen threads talking about how all the defensive coaches should be fired, which is about the dumbest thing I have seen on here.

Umm, facts?

Points allowed
29 (ULM in a monsoon)
45
31 (Southern Illinois)
40
31
27
38
26
14
45
13
62

That averages out to over 33 points per game allowed. It is not a stretch to assume we need 42+ to beat Iowa State.

And if you're dumb enough to look at bottom line statistics and not in the context that they were made, then you totally fit what I was discussing earlier.

In multiple of those games (including the monsoon ULM game) their points and yards came AFTER Memphis had more than a 21 point lead. In EVERY game this season, the defense did enough for us to be undefeated and we only needed superior scoring efforts in TWO of them to win.

Since Iowa State scored below 24 five times this season, I don't think it's a stretch to say holding them to below 35 isn't a monumental task. And since they only scored more than 42 points ONCE (against Kansas a whopping 45), I don't think you have a grasp of what will be needed to win this game.

(12-18-2017 05:46 PM)Al_4_ISU Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 02:49 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 02:40 PM)Al_4_ISU Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 02:27 PM)tigerderek Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 01:40 PM)Al_4_ISU Wrote:  We beat KSU. The officials decided to pick up the flag (for the 3rd time that drive) and take away what would have been the game ending first down play. If you want to see why Big 12 Refs have their own fake Twitter account, watch the last 5 minutes of that game. Yeah, we had to let them down the field to score, but it was egregious officiating.

West Virginia, we came out and made some early errors, and got down in a hole. We rallied, but had to settle for field goals. Probably the lest excusable loss of the 3.

Against OSU we had a back and forth game. We wasted a couple possessions of offense trying to play Kempt through an injury he sustained against WVU. Zeb Noland came in, and we were able to wing the ball around on them all day. Our defense let the Pokes convert some 3rd and 15+s that lead to scores. Uncharacteristic of our team this season, but very characteristic of our last few games with them. We scored a game tying TD as time expired, but again, Big 12 refs. I don't think we would have won in OT, but it would have been nice to get the opportunity.

We'll trade refs with y'all if u want!

You sure you want this?

That was going to be my next issue to discuss, Refs! It can bring a VERY interesting dynamic to this game! I'm curious and may even be concerned...

If we have Big 12 refs, you have nothing to fear. They live to **** us.

It can't come close to when we have $EC refs doing a game when we play that league.

(12-18-2017 05:46 PM)Al_4_ISU Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 02:49 PM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 02:40 PM)Al_4_ISU Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 02:27 PM)tigerderek Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 01:40 PM)Al_4_ISU Wrote:  We beat KSU. The officials decided to pick up the flag (for the 3rd time that drive) and take away what would have been the game ending first down play. If you want to see why Big 12 Refs have their own fake Twitter account, watch the last 5 minutes of that game. Yeah, we had to let them down the field to score, but it was egregious officiating.

West Virginia, we came out and made some early errors, and got down in a hole. We rallied, but had to settle for field goals. Probably the lest excusable loss of the 3.

Against OSU we had a back and forth game. We wasted a couple possessions of offense trying to play Kempt through an injury he sustained against WVU. Zeb Noland came in, and we were able to wing the ball around on them all day. Our defense let the Pokes convert some 3rd and 15+s that lead to scores. Uncharacteristic of our team this season, but very characteristic of our last few games with them. We scored a game tying TD as time expired, but again, Big 12 refs. I don't think we would have won in OT, but it would have been nice to get the opportunity.

We'll trade refs with y'all if u want!

You sure you want this?

That was going to be my next issue to discuss, Refs! It can bring a VERY interesting dynamic to this game! I'm curious and may even be concerned...

If we have Big 12 refs, you have nothing to fear. They live to **** us.

If you guys DON’T stop the run, refs WON’T be needed

(12-18-2017 02:40 PM)Al_4_ISU Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 02:27 PM)tigerderek Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 01:40 PM)Al_4_ISU Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 10:10 AM)thagr82008 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 09:16 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  Since ISU beat both OU & TCU (the B12 north & south champs) & their biggest loss was 10 pts, it's pretty obvious they are pretty good. Like most every other Memphis opponent, we will have to out-score them (as opposed to a strong showing by the defense which isn't expected). Hoping for a game like ISU played against OSU which they lost 49-42, I think.

Curious as to why they lost as many as they did....after beating TCU they lead the division, then proceeded to lose 3 of their last 4 and dropping a crucial game to Kansas State...tough team to figure out. As they had a tough schedule.....Gr8 barometer game for us.....IMHO

We beat KSU. The officials decided to pick up the flag (for the 3rd time that drive) and take away what would have been the game ending first down play. If you want to see why Big 12 Refs have their own fake Twitter account, watch the last 5 minutes of that game. Yeah, we had to let them down the field to score, but it was egregious officiating.

West Virginia, we came out and made some early errors, and got down in a hole. We rallied, but had to settle for field goals. Probably the lest excusable loss of the 3.

Against OSU we had a back and forth game. We wasted a couple possessions of offense trying to play Kempt through an injury he sustained against WVU. Zeb Noland came in, and we were able to wing the ball around on them all day. Our defense let the Pokes convert some 3rd and 15+s that lead to scores. Uncharacteristic of our team this season, but very characteristic of our last few games with them. We scored a game tying TD as time expired, but again, Big 12 refs. I don't think we would have won in OT, but it would have been nice to get the opportunity.

We'll trade refs with y'all if u want!

You sure you want this?

100% without a doubt.

(12-18-2017 06:43 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 05:14 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 05:03 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 04:31 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 03:00 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  I am a little frustrated with how badly people don't understand our defense.

If our defense wasn't good, we don't win seven games this season.

ULM, we overcame the loss of three starters for the season, and they only scored in the first half off the drive set up by one of those injuries.

UCLA, the turnovers we caused won the game.

UCF, five turnovers, most in the redzone sealed that game. Two blown plays, also overcoming more injuries were their big plays. We still played well enough to win that game if the offense doesn't self-destruct.

Navy, we start the game with a turnover inside our 15. Had we not caused multiple turnovers, we don't win. Second lowest offensive output of the season. We also held them more than 100 yards under their season average (Better than Notre Dame).

Houston. We would've only given up 7 points in the first half had it not been two turnovers inside our own 30. In the second half, none of our drives lasted more than 2:15. We were on the field almost the whole second half, not to mention the majority of the first.

Tulane, we were up 35-0 and they had 32 total yards. Yes, we took the foot off the gas and played backups possibly too early, but it was total domination in the first half.

Tulsa and ECU were total dominance. SMU, at least 21 of their points were absolutely horrible calls by the refs that either kept drives alive or GAVE them 50 yards of a 62 yard drive.

Yes, statistically our defense is bad, but 1) it doesn't take into account how many of those yards were gained after the game was mostly decided and 2) doesn't account for all the injuries we've had this season. How many players on our defense didn't miss time this season... FIVE! Everyone else on the 1 or 2 deep missed time due to injuries and three due to targeting.

Point is, I think our defense has allowed enough points to say we will have to outscore the opposition to win. Doesn't mean our D doesn't get a crucial stop here & there but I don't think anyone is under the allusion we can score 14 pts & beat an opponent with a good offense.

No, but just how many teams have a defense that can do that?!

Iowa State sure couldn't score 14 and hope to win. So, why are you making it seem that we are going to have to score a huge amount of points to win?

And to your credit, overlooking the "isn't expected" part, your criticism of the defense was pretty light compared to many. I have seen threads talking about how all the defensive coaches should be fired, which is about the dumbest thing I have seen on here.

Umm, facts?

Points allowed
29 (ULM in a monsoon)
45
31 (Southern Illinois)
40
31
27
38
26
14
45
13
62

That averages out to over 33 points per game allowed. It is not a stretch to assume we need 42+ to beat Iowa State.

And if you're dumb enough to look at bottom line statistics and not in the context that they were made, then you totally fit what I was discussing earlier.

In multiple of those games (including the monsoon ULM game) their points and yards came AFTER Memphis had more than a 21 point lead. In EVERY game this season, the defense did enough for us to be undefeated and we only needed superior scoring efforts in TWO of them to win.

Since Iowa State scored below 24 five times this season, I don't think it's a stretch to say holding them to below 35 isn't a monumental task. And since they only scored more than 42 points ONCE (against Kansas a whopping 45), I don't think you have a grasp of what will be needed to win this game.

Great points. Understanding can be difficult when it doesn’t fit an agenda.

Good lord.

(12-18-2017 09:52 PM)JAB Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 06:43 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 05:14 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 05:03 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 04:31 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  Point is, I think our defense has allowed enough points to say we will have to outscore the opposition to win. Doesn't mean our D doesn't get a crucial stop here & there but I don't think anyone is under the allusion we can score 14 pts & beat an opponent with a good offense.

No, but just how many teams have a defense that can do that?!

Iowa State sure couldn't score 14 and hope to win. So, why are you making it seem that we are going to have to score a huge amount of points to win?

And to your credit, overlooking the "isn't expected" part, your criticism of the defense was pretty light compared to many. I have seen threads talking about how all the defensive coaches should be fired, which is about the dumbest thing I have seen on here.

Umm, facts?

Points allowed
29 (ULM in a monsoon)
45
31 (Southern Illinois)
40
31
27
38
26
14
45
13
62

That averages out to over 33 points per game allowed. It is not a stretch to assume we need 42+ to beat Iowa State.

And if you're dumb enough to look at bottom line statistics and not in the context that they were made, then you totally fit what I was discussing earlier.

In multiple of those games (including the monsoon ULM game) their points and yards came AFTER Memphis had more than a 21 point lead. In EVERY game this season, the defense did enough for us to be undefeated and we only needed superior scoring efforts in TWO of them to win.

Since Iowa State scored below 24 five times this season, I don't think it's a stretch to say holding them to below 35 isn't a monumental task. And since they only scored more than 42 points ONCE (against Kansas a whopping 45), I don't think you have a grasp of what will be needed to win this game.

Great points. Understanding can be difficult when it doesn’t fit an agenda.

No agenda, but to act like our defense was good this season is laughable;

120 in overall defense
122 in passing defense
98 in rushing defense

What the defense did well was come up with timely turnovers and was decent in the red zone.

2 in turnovers forced
53 in red zone defense

It is not meant to slam our defense but just a reality that our strategy is much more contingent on rolling out a high scoring offense than a defensive juggernaut.

Pretty simple do you feel we have a better chance of winning if the score is 42 to 45 or 21-24? Any Memphis fan that watched the season is going to feel much better about our chances with a score in the 40s instead of the 20s...




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(12-19-2017 12:12 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 09:52 PM)JAB Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 06:43 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 05:14 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 05:03 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  No, but just how many teams have a defense that can do that?!

Iowa State sure couldn't score 14 and hope to win. So, why are you making it seem that we are going to have to score a huge amount of points to win?

And to your credit, overlooking the "isn't expected" part, your criticism of the defense was pretty light compared to many. I have seen threads talking about how all the defensive coaches should be fired, which is about the dumbest thing I have seen on here.

Umm, facts?

Points allowed
29 (ULM in a monsoon)
45
31 (Southern Illinois)
40
31
27
38
26
14
45
13
62

That averages out to over 33 points per game allowed. It is not a stretch to assume we need 42+ to beat Iowa State.

And if you're dumb enough to look at bottom line statistics and not in the context that they were made, then you totally fit what I was discussing earlier.

In multiple of those games (including the monsoon ULM game) their points and yards came AFTER Memphis had more than a 21 point lead. In EVERY game this season, the defense did enough for us to be undefeated and we only needed superior scoring efforts in TWO of them to win.

Since Iowa State scored below 24 five times this season, I don't think it's a stretch to say holding them to below 35 isn't a monumental task. And since they only scored more than 42 points ONCE (against Kansas a whopping 45), I don't think you have a grasp of what will be needed to win this game.

Great points. Understanding can be difficult when it doesn’t fit an agenda.

No agenda, but to act like our defense was good this season is laughable;

120 in overall defense
122 in passing defense
98 in rushing defense

What the defense did well was come up with timely turnovers and was decent in the red zone.

2 in turnovers forced
53 in red zone defense

It is not meant to slam our defense but just a reality that our strategy is much more contingent on rolling out a high scoring offense than a defensive juggernaut.

Pretty simple do you feel we have a better chance of winning if the score is 42 to 45 or 21-24? Any Memphis fan that watched the season is going to feel much better about our chances with a score in the 40s instead of the 20s...




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Good thing about our defense being bad is that it's young and will get better.

This is a bad matchup for us. I think we can score 35 on them, but we'll need to see something extra out of our defense that hasn't been there. Maybe we'll find it.

(12-19-2017 12:56 AM)bubbapt Wrote:  This is a bad matchup for us. I think we can score 35 on them, but we'll need to see something extra out of our defense that hasn't been there. Maybe we'll find it.

Yeah,their 7-5 record is misleading to the casual fan but it should be another great game that goes down to the wire which is better than playing a sunbelt or cusa team.

(12-19-2017 01:13 AM)tigerderek Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 12:56 AM)bubbapt Wrote:  This is a bad matchup for us. I think we can score 35 on them, but we'll need to see something extra out of our defense that hasn't been there. Maybe we'll find it.

Yeah,their 7-5 record is misleading to the casual fan but it should be another great game that goes down to the wire which is better than playing a sunbelt or cusa team.

Oh, this game will be crazy. No doubt about it. And a great test of our coaching staff.

They held James washington to 1 catch for 25 yards during the season so the tigers other wr's better be ready.

I agree with the defensive stats being misleading.

When you have an offense that scores so quickly, you give the other team more opportunities - more possessions.

This puts your defense on the field having to defend more possessions per game.

If the stats listed defensive averages per possession, then, you could compare defensive teams more accurately.

(12-19-2017 12:12 AM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 09:52 PM)JAB Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 06:43 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 05:14 PM)Tygrys Wrote:  

(12-18-2017 05:03 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  No, but just how many teams have a defense that can do that?!

Iowa State sure couldn't score 14 and hope to win. So, why are you making it seem that we are going to have to score a huge amount of points to win?

And to your credit, overlooking the "isn't expected" part, your criticism of the defense was pretty light compared to many. I have seen threads talking about how all the defensive coaches should be fired, which is about the dumbest thing I have seen on here.

Umm, facts?

Points allowed
29 (ULM in a monsoon)
45
31 (Southern Illinois)
40
31
27
38
26
14
45
13
62

That averages out to over 33 points per game allowed. It is not a stretch to assume we need 42+ to beat Iowa State.

And if you're dumb enough to look at bottom line statistics and not in the context that they were made, then you totally fit what I was discussing earlier.

In multiple of those games (including the monsoon ULM game) their points and yards came AFTER Memphis had more than a 21 point lead. In EVERY game this season, the defense did enough for us to be undefeated and we only needed superior scoring efforts in TWO of them to win.

Since Iowa State scored below 24 five times this season, I don't think it's a stretch to say holding them to below 35 isn't a monumental task. And since they only scored more than 42 points ONCE (against Kansas a whopping 45), I don't think you have a grasp of what will be needed to win this game.

Great points. Understanding can be difficult when it doesn’t fit an agenda.

No agenda, but to act like our defense was good this season is laughable;

120 in overall defense
122 in passing defense
98 in rushing defense

What the defense did well was come up with timely turnovers and was decent in the red zone.

2 in turnovers forced
53 in red zone defense

It is not meant to slam our defense but just a reality that our strategy is much more contingent on rolling out a high scoring offense than a defensive juggernaut.

Pretty simple do you feel we have a better chance of winning if the score is 42 to 45 or 21-24? Any Memphis fan that watched the season is going to feel much better about our chances with a score in the 40s instead of the 20s...




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Your reading comprehension skills are absent to say the least.

If you want to be the idiot that looks at overall stats and says that gives an accurate portrayal of what happened this year, fine you're an idiot!

(12-19-2017 01:16 PM)Tigerbrother Wrote:  I agree with the defensive stats being misleading.

When you have an offense that scores so quickly, you give the other team more opportunities - more possessions.

This puts your defense on the field having to defend more possessions per game.

If the stats listed defensive averages per possession, then, you could compare defensive teams more accurately.

Not to mention the staggering amount of injuries we faced.

If the stats would shut down when the game was absolutely in hand, then it would tell a much different story.

(12-19-2017 01:19 AM)tigerderek Wrote:  They held James washington to 1 catch for 25 yards during the season so the tigers other wr's better be ready.

You mean the game he got hurt?

Watched the game and it wasn't nearly a dominant display by their defense. They lost 49-42.

(12-19-2017 02:37 PM)tigernole79 Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 01:19 AM)tigerderek Wrote:  They held James washington to 1 catch for 25 yards during the season so the tigers other wr's better be ready.

You mean the game he got hurt?

Watched the game and it wasn't nearly a dominant display by their defense. They lost 49-42.

Huh? He got hurt before that...they used him as a decoy but I laugh at that terminology...said the same thing about T.O in the Super Bowl against the pats...anyways look at the points they've given up this year,they have a pretty good defense esp for the big 12.

The only thing our defense is good at is causing to's but tigernole is putting too much emphasis on that one category as saying our defense wasn't as bad as it seems...after all those injuries our defense was just not that good...no pass rush,no pass coverage and some players would trip over themselves cause they didn't know what the hell they were doing.

(12-19-2017 02:59 PM)tigerderek Wrote:  The only thing our defense is good at is causing to's but tigernole is putting too much emphasis on that one category as saying our defense wasn't as bad as it seems...after all those injuries our defense was just not that good...no pass rush,no pass coverage and some players would trip over themselves cause they didn't know what the hell they were doing.

We played a lot of underclassmen including some true freshman. We will be better next year.

(12-19-2017 03:06 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(12-19-2017 02:59 PM)tigerderek Wrote:  The only thing our defense is good at is causing to's but tigernole is putting too much emphasis on that one category as saying our defense wasn't as bad as it seems...after all those injuries our defense was just not that good...no pass rush,no pass coverage and some players would trip over themselves cause they didn't know what the hell they were doing.

We played a lot of underclassmen including some true freshman. We will be better next year.

That did a heck of a job....considering the circumstances!!!!

We will be better next year.

YUP!BAM! BUILDING A MONSTER!