On with Jason and John at 11:40. Podcast will be up later.

Quick excerpts:
Said that the problem was not Tubby ("Tubby is a great coach and a great person").
He said his problems were with Bowen "who lied to us".
Loves Memphis and wants the city to support Tubby and the Tigers.
Says the real problem with local recruiting is the fans not giving the team the support the recruits think they deserve.
Believes Penny will surround himself with the best and be a great college coach.

I will keep an eye out for the podcast link. http://www.espn929.com/media/audio-chann...r-1-121517

hmmmmm, wonder what his angle is

He had to set the record for the most: "you know what I'm saying", in a 15 minute interview.

(12-15-2017 12:59 PM)fsquid Wrote:  hmmmmm, wonder what his angle is

I think it’s obvious but no way am I going there

(12-15-2017 01:01 PM)selleg1 Wrote:  He had to set the record for the most: "you know what I'm saying", in a 15 minute interview.

Doneal Mack holds that by a WIDE margin.

Well, Bowen has proven to be one of the best Ads in the country...... you know what I am saying.

(12-15-2017 12:58 PM)OldManTiger Wrote:  On with Jason and John at 11:40. Podcast will be up later.

Quick excerpts:
Said that the problem was not Tubby ("Tubby is a great coach and a great person").
He said his problems were with Bowen "who lied to us".
Loves Memphis and wants the city to support Tubby and the Tigers.
Says the real problem with local recruiting is the fans not giving the team the support the recruits think they deserve.
Believes Penny will surround himself with the best and be a great college coach.

I will keep an eye out for the podcast link.

No what he said was that the recruits didn't know if tubby was going to be around long and that they were in a wait and see mode

Didn't and won't listen to him. The major problem on that team was him and he knows it. Although I am sure he has completely justified his actions, hopefully he knows where the truth really is.

At least there's always Ball to make him look decent.

(12-15-2017 12:58 PM)OldManTiger Wrote:  On with Jason and John at 11:40. Podcast will be up later.

Quick excerpts:
Said that the problem was not Tubby ("Tubby is a great coach and a great person").
He said his problems were with Bowen "who lied to us".
Loves Memphis and wants the city to support Tubby and the Tigers.
Says the real problem with local recruiting is the fans not giving the team the support the recruits think they deserve.
Believes Penny will surround himself with the best and be a great college coach.

I will keep an eye out for the podcast link.

This is concerning if true, but it strikes me as not quite accurate. The fanbase is strong and would explode in support if there were literally any top 50-100 players ready to reload next year.

But... I'm not a part of the 901 hoops scene, Lawson is.

So, I can't simply say he's wrong. Hell, he'd know and he might be right.
And if he's right, God help us all.

The enthusiasm needs the seed of recruiting victories or legit wins.
If the recruiting victories need the seed of enthusiasm, with the program where it is?

We have a problem.

I think Keelon is telling the truth re Bowen - He said his problems were with Bowen "who lied to us".

Bowen told Keelon he would be OK, and he would be part of the next staff. Tubby was told, as all head coaches of his stature are, that he would be able to hire his own staff.

Tubby gets here with his staff, and somehow it's his fault. Some of you will jump to shout out Saul, but really didn't matter if Tubby's 3rd assistant was John Doe - Tubby had promised his guys the 3 assistant positions, and wasn't going to break his promise.

Keelon also said his 2006 Hamilton squad could beat this years East squad because “We had a lot of gang bangers. They don’t have no thugs on their team”

I know he wanted to be an assistant but wasn’t he offered another position that actually paid more to stay? Sure it’s a pride thing but I would love to be demoted and given a raise along with probably less responsibility but I understand some things are hard to get over and I f he feels he was lied to by Bowen then I have to believe him.

(12-15-2017 01:31 PM)UMTiger02 Wrote:  Keelon also said his 2006 Hamilton squad could beat this years East squad because “We had a lot of gang bangers. They don’t have no thugs on their team”

lol

(12-15-2017 01:24 PM)Tigx Wrote:  I think Keelon is telling the truth re Bowen - He said his problems were with Bowen "who lied to us".

Bowen told Keelon he would be OK, and he would be part of the next staff. Tubby was told, as all head coaches of his stature are, that he would be able to hire his own staff.

Tubby gets here with his staff, and somehow it's his fault. Some of you will jump to shout out Saul, but really didn't matter if Tubby's 3rd assistant was John Doe - Tubby had promised his guys the 3 assistant positions, and wasn't going to break his promise.

While I believe Keelon is telling the truth.

This is what contracts are for.

Bowen will try and okey doke anybody he can okey doke.

Keelon not getting it in writing is on him.

And he is trolling the hell out of Tubby with the "my door is open" thing.

He knows Tubby ain't walking through that door.

(12-15-2017 12:59 PM)fsquid Wrote:  hmmmmm, wonder what his angle is

I'd think Bowen probably told Keelon that the next coach would keep him on as an assistant. Considering that means 4 high four and five star players and connections with other players, I can understand. Of course, Tubby put his son in that position.

(12-15-2017 01:24 PM)Tigx Wrote:  I think Keelon is telling the truth re Bowen - He said his problems were with Bowen "who lied to us".

Bowen told Keelon he would be OK, and he would be part of the next staff. Tubby was told, as all head coaches of his stature are, that he would be able to hire his own staff.

Tubby gets here with his staff, and somehow it's his fault. Some of you will jump to shout out Saul, but really didn't matter if Tubby's 3rd assistant was John Doe - Tubby had promised his guys the 3 assistant positions, and wasn't going to break his promise.

You could be onto something. This could explain Keelon's behavior. Prior to last spring I thought Keelon was a good guy. He's also right, the Tiger fans are spoiled. The players deserve support regardless of the won and loss record.

(12-15-2017 01:05 PM)MemphisRob Wrote:  Well, Bowen has proven to be one of the best Ads in the country...... you know what I am saying.

Other than taking credit for the work that was done by others and using every opportunity to throw his name out for any opening what has he actually done?

You'd be hard pressed to find anything positive being done that was not already in the planning stages before he arrived.

I have yet to see two consecutive interviews with this guy that didn't contradict each other in one way or another.

(12-15-2017 02:30 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 01:05 PM)MemphisRob Wrote:  Well, Bowen has proven to be one of the best Ads in the country...... you know what I am saying.

Other than taking credit for the work that was done by others and using every opportunity to throw his name out for any opening what has he actually done?

You'd be hard pressed to find anything positive being done that was not already in the planning stages before he arrived.

Even if I'm granting your premise (I'm not necessarily, but would be willing to discuss), I would say continuing a plan in place is not nothing in this difficult climate for G5 programs.

Is Bowen perfect? No.
Has he been part of the team making Memphis FB a legitimate powerhouse? Yes.

I'll roll with Bowen for the most part, even allowing for some errors, even some big ones.

As always, your mileage may vary.

Interesting:

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@CAGrizBeat
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Keelon Lawson called Memphis Tigers AD Tom Bowen a liar and I believe Lawson. #Trends