(12-15-2017 04:43 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 04:05 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 03:29 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 01:22 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:58 PM)OldManTiger Wrote:  On with Jason and John at 11:40. Podcast will be up later.

Quick excerpts:
Said that the problem was not Tubby ("Tubby is a great coach and a great person").
He said his problems were with Bowen "who lied to us".
Loves Memphis and wants the city to support Tubby and the Tigers.
Says the real problem with local recruiting is the fans not giving the team the support the recruits think they deserve.
Believes Penny will surround himself with the best and be a great college coach.

I will keep an eye out for the podcast link.

This is concerning if true, but it strikes me as not quite accurate. The fanbase is strong and would explode in support if there were literally any top 50-100 players ready to reload next year.

But... I'm not a part of the 901 hoops scene, Lawson is.

So, I can't simply say he's wrong. Hell, he'd know and he might be right.
And if he's right, God help us all.

The enthusiasm needs the seed of recruiting victories or legit wins.
If the recruiting victories need the seed of enthusiasm, with the program where it is?

We have a problem.

He is the 4th person to say something like this in the past few months. Vanover's dad said local support was the reason they were delaying signing. But then he signed anyway. Kennedy's dad or coach said support was an issue. Harris's coach said it last week. Now Keelon.

People here don't want to hear it because it's calling you out as part of the problem - not part of the solution. But after a while there maybe some truth to it?

I don't think you're wrong necessarily. I fully believe we as a fanbase might be contributing to our demise a bit. It is possible some people are down on the program and are letting that seep into their comments, attendance, etc.

The problem then is this. What to do?

I'll be at the game on Saturday (should be a rare treat to me to see the Tigers in NYC) and will attend a local game over the holidays and hopefully organize a Temple road trip.

Still, it's hard to tell the fans to get up for this when the schedule is so weak and the future looks so tough.

Chicken or egg. Which comes first?

Regardless of above, the BB program needs a massive shot in the arm. Someway, somehow.

What will it be?
What CAN it be?

Yeah, I get that. We are in a cycle now where we are self-inflicting. Nothing can be done at this point but break it off and start over. When that happens, though, we need to step up with dollars, attendance - and quit our crying and complaining. No matter who is hired.

I'm just afraid the hiring next time is going to be just as difficult as the recruiting has become now. Pastner got ugly. Now an ugly end to a respected guy in the fraternity. Maybe the lowered expectations help lure someone, but these endings will give pause to many. Another reason that Penny makes a lot of sense this time.

Again, you're not wrong.

We'll see what happens. Best case, Tubby pulls a few rabbits out of a hat and gets this stable prior to him leaving, voluntarily or otherwise.

The fanbase backs well when given a reason I feel. I just hope we can make the right (not a WOW hire, but a GOOD hire) when given the chance next time.

(12-15-2017 04:43 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 04:05 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 03:29 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 01:22 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:58 PM)OldManTiger Wrote:  On with Jason and John at 11:40. Podcast will be up later.

Quick excerpts:
Said that the problem was not Tubby ("Tubby is a great coach and a great person").
He said his problems were with Bowen "who lied to us".
Loves Memphis and wants the city to support Tubby and the Tigers.
Says the real problem with local recruiting is the fans not giving the team the support the recruits think they deserve.
Believes Penny will surround himself with the best and be a great college coach.

I will keep an eye out for the podcast link.

This is concerning if true, but it strikes me as not quite accurate. The fanbase is strong and would explode in support if there were literally any top 50-100 players ready to reload next year.

But... I'm not a part of the 901 hoops scene, Lawson is.

So, I can't simply say he's wrong. Hell, he'd know and he might be right.
And if he's right, God help us all.

The enthusiasm needs the seed of recruiting victories or legit wins.
If the recruiting victories need the seed of enthusiasm, with the program where it is?

We have a problem.

He is the 4th person to say something like this in the past few months. Vanover's dad said local support was the reason they were delaying signing. But then he signed anyway. Kennedy's dad or coach said support was an issue. Harris's coach said it last week. Now Keelon.

People here don't want to hear it because it's calling you out as part of the problem - not part of the solution. But after a while there maybe some truth to it?

I don't think you're wrong necessarily. I fully believe we as a fanbase might be contributing to our demise a bit. It is possible some people are down on the program and are letting that seep into their comments, attendance, etc.

The problem then is this. What to do?

I'll be at the game on Saturday (should be a rare treat to me to see the Tigers in NYC) and will attend a local game over the holidays and hopefully organize a Temple road trip.

Still, it's hard to tell the fans to get up for this when the schedule is so weak and the future looks so tough.

Chicken or egg. Which comes first?

Regardless of above, the BB program needs a massive shot in the arm. Someway, somehow.

What will it be?
What CAN it be?

Yeah, I get that. We are in a cycle now where we are self-inflicting. Nothing can be done at this point but break it off and start over. When that happens, though, we need to step up with dollars, attendance - and quit our crying and complaining. No matter who is hired.

I'm just afraid the hiring next time is going to be just as difficult as the recruiting has become now. Pastner got ugly. Now an ugly end to a respected guy in the fraternity. Maybe the lowered expectations help lure someone, but these endings will give pause to many. Another reason that Penny makes a lot of sense this time.

It’s not over yet. A couple of good signings added to a decent core of Rivers, Davenport, Johnson, etc, and there will be more optimism. Tyler Harris would be a big splash locally..

(12-15-2017 04:57 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 04:43 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 04:05 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 03:29 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 01:22 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  This is concerning if true, but it strikes me as not quite accurate. The fanbase is strong and would explode in support if there were literally any top 50-100 players ready to reload next year.

But... I'm not a part of the 901 hoops scene, Lawson is.

So, I can't simply say he's wrong. Hell, he'd know and he might be right.
And if he's right, God help us all.

The enthusiasm needs the seed of recruiting victories or legit wins.
If the recruiting victories need the seed of enthusiasm, with the program where it is?

We have a problem.

He is the 4th person to say something like this in the past few months. Vanover's dad said local support was the reason they were delaying signing. But then he signed anyway. Kennedy's dad or coach said support was an issue. Harris's coach said it last week. Now Keelon.

People here don't want to hear it because it's calling you out as part of the problem - not part of the solution. But after a while there maybe some truth to it?

I don't think you're wrong necessarily. I fully believe we as a fanbase might be contributing to our demise a bit. It is possible some people are down on the program and are letting that seep into their comments, attendance, etc.

The problem then is this. What to do?

I'll be at the game on Saturday (should be a rare treat to me to see the Tigers in NYC) and will attend a local game over the holidays and hopefully organize a Temple road trip.

Still, it's hard to tell the fans to get up for this when the schedule is so weak and the future looks so tough.

Chicken or egg. Which comes first?

Regardless of above, the BB program needs a massive shot in the arm. Someway, somehow.

What will it be?
What CAN it be?

Yeah, I get that. We are in a cycle now where we are self-inflicting. Nothing can be done at this point but break it off and start over. When that happens, though, we need to step up with dollars, attendance - and quit our crying and complaining. No matter who is hired.

I'm just afraid the hiring next time is going to be just as difficult as the recruiting has become now. Pastner got ugly. Now an ugly end to a respected guy in the fraternity. Maybe the lowered expectations help lure someone, but these endings will give pause to many. Another reason that Penny makes a lot of sense this time.

It’s not over yet. A couple of good signings added to a decent core of Rivers, Davenport, Johnson, etc, and there will be more optimism. Tyler Harris would be a big splash locally..

If tubby would kiss that kids ass then maybe but I don't think Harris will be playing his college ball at the forum.

(12-15-2017 04:57 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  It’s not over yet. A couple of good signings added to a decent core of Rivers, Davenport, Johnson, etc, and there will be more optimism. Tyler Harris would be a big splash locally..

That was my hope as well. But then early signing came and went. Recruiting is going to get worse - not better - I'm afraid.

(12-15-2017 05:02 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 04:57 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  It’s not over yet. A couple of good signings added to a decent core of Rivers, Davenport, Johnson, etc, and there will be more optimism. Tyler Harris would be a big splash locally..

That was my hope as well. But then early signing came and went. Recruiting is going to get worse - not better - I'm afraid.

If he could secure Harris and Moss he could salvage the class. Don't see that happening though.

(12-15-2017 04:57 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 04:43 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 04:05 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 03:29 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 01:22 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  This is concerning if true, but it strikes me as not quite accurate. The fanbase is strong and would explode in support if there were literally any top 50-100 players ready to reload next year.

But... I'm not a part of the 901 hoops scene, Lawson is.

So, I can't simply say he's wrong. Hell, he'd know and he might be right.
And if he's right, God help us all.

The enthusiasm needs the seed of recruiting victories or legit wins.
If the recruiting victories need the seed of enthusiasm, with the program where it is?

We have a problem.

He is the 4th person to say something like this in the past few months. Vanover's dad said local support was the reason they were delaying signing. But then he signed anyway. Kennedy's dad or coach said support was an issue. Harris's coach said it last week. Now Keelon.

People here don't want to hear it because it's calling you out as part of the problem - not part of the solution. But after a while there maybe some truth to it?

I don't think you're wrong necessarily. I fully believe we as a fanbase might be contributing to our demise a bit. It is possible some people are down on the program and are letting that seep into their comments, attendance, etc.

The problem then is this. What to do?

I'll be at the game on Saturday (should be a rare treat to me to see the Tigers in NYC) and will attend a local game over the holidays and hopefully organize a Temple road trip.

Still, it's hard to tell the fans to get up for this when the schedule is so weak and the future looks so tough.

Chicken or egg. Which comes first?

Regardless of above, the BB program needs a massive shot in the arm. Someway, somehow.

What will it be?
What CAN it be?

Yeah, I get that. We are in a cycle now where we are self-inflicting. Nothing can be done at this point but break it off and start over. When that happens, though, we need to step up with dollars, attendance - and quit our crying and complaining. No matter who is hired.

I'm just afraid the hiring next time is going to be just as difficult as the recruiting has become now. Pastner got ugly. Now an ugly end to a respected guy in the fraternity. Maybe the lowered expectations help lure someone, but these endings will give pause to many. Another reason that Penny makes a lot of sense this time.

It’s not over yet. A couple of good signings added to a decent core of Rivers, Davenport, Johnson, etc, and there will be more optimism. Tyler Harris would be a big splash locally..

While we are hoping for the impossible, maybe the NCAA will allow Lebron, Durant, Curry to become eligible and they all come play for Memphis next season.

(12-15-2017 04:57 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 04:43 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 04:05 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 03:29 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 01:22 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  This is concerning if true, but it strikes me as not quite accurate. The fanbase is strong and would explode in support if there were literally any top 50-100 players ready to reload next year.

But... I'm not a part of the 901 hoops scene, Lawson is.

So, I can't simply say he's wrong. Hell, he'd know and he might be right.
And if he's right, God help us all.

The enthusiasm needs the seed of recruiting victories or legit wins.
If the recruiting victories need the seed of enthusiasm, with the program where it is?

We have a problem.

He is the 4th person to say something like this in the past few months. Vanover's dad said local support was the reason they were delaying signing. But then he signed anyway. Kennedy's dad or coach said support was an issue. Harris's coach said it last week. Now Keelon.

People here don't want to hear it because it's calling you out as part of the problem - not part of the solution. But after a while there maybe some truth to it?

I don't think you're wrong necessarily. I fully believe we as a fanbase might be contributing to our demise a bit. It is possible some people are down on the program and are letting that seep into their comments, attendance, etc.

The problem then is this. What to do?

I'll be at the game on Saturday (should be a rare treat to me to see the Tigers in NYC) and will attend a local game over the holidays and hopefully organize a Temple road trip.

Still, it's hard to tell the fans to get up for this when the schedule is so weak and the future looks so tough.

Chicken or egg. Which comes first?

Regardless of above, the BB program needs a massive shot in the arm. Someway, somehow.

What will it be?
What CAN it be?

Yeah, I get that. We are in a cycle now where we are self-inflicting. Nothing can be done at this point but break it off and start over. When that happens, though, we need to step up with dollars, attendance - and quit our crying and complaining. No matter who is hired.

I'm just afraid the hiring next time is going to be just as difficult as the recruiting has become now. Pastner got ugly. Now an ugly end to a respected guy in the fraternity. Maybe the lowered expectations help lure someone, but these endings will give pause to many. Another reason that Penny makes a lot of sense this time.

It’s not over yet. A couple of good signings added to a decent core of Rivers, Davenport, Johnson, etc, and there will be more optimism. Tyler Harris would be a big splash locally..

So Tubby can't manage to get a high level recruit but he can get Rivers a 5th year.

Allsome!

(12-15-2017 03:44 PM)UOFMGLENN Wrote:  Keelon is a poor man's LaVar Ball

+2 for you.

(12-15-2017 01:35 PM)cbhstiger Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 01:31 PM)UMTiger02 Wrote:  Keelon also said his 2006 Hamilton squad could beat this years East squad because “We had a lot of gang bangers. They don’t have no thugs on their team”

lol

You may laugh but there is a ton of truth there...

I wouldn't have used those words but the guys on this team don't have any DOG in them.

Martin shows it at times...But he seems like he feels he can turn it on when he needs to.

(12-15-2017 01:24 PM)Tigx Wrote:  I think Keelon is telling the truth re Bowen - He said his problems were with Bowen "who lied to us".

Bowen told Keelon he would be OK, and he would be part of the next staff. Tubby was told, as all head coaches of his stature are, that he would be able to hire his own staff.

Tubby gets here with his staff, and somehow it's his fault. Some of you will jump to shout out Saul, but really didn't matter if Tubby's 3rd assistant was John Doe - Tubby had promised his guys the 3 assistant positions, and wasn't going to break his promise.

I am pretty sure Texas Tech had some stipulation in place that didn't allow Tubby to hire Saul as an assistant as he was not one there.

(12-15-2017 05:51 PM)dfwtxtiger Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 03:44 PM)UOFMGLENN Wrote:  Keelon is a poor man's LaVar Ball

+2 for you.

The mom, Dedra, is closer to Lavar, IMO. Been in the gym a few times when her boys were playing, and she is always the loudest fan in the gym. She coaches too. Keelon is pretty mild mannered.

(12-15-2017 03:38 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 03:24 PM)2tigers Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 03:13 PM)NigelTufnel Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 02:53 PM)tigerderek Wrote:  Says we can't get local kids cause of support? Horseshit.

I'm sure it helps when FEF is empty ...

It is Horseshit that fans don't realize that this does hurt recruiting. Harris and Lomax are prime examples of this. When I was being recruited for football. The first thing I looked at was the fan support or lack of. The fans that have stopped going to the games is a big part of the reason that local kids won't come here.

I'm confused.

People should suck it up and pay money to see a crap product that the $3 million dollar a year head coach has put on the floor because the $3 million dollar a year head coach can't recruit good players on his own merits?

That is the most backward ass way of looking at things.

A restaurant used to be good and was always full. Then the standards went to crap and the filet is now low grade chuck steak. The way to make the restaurant better is to fill it up and pay good money for a poor product?

THIS!

(12-15-2017 03:29 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 01:22 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:58 PM)OldManTiger Wrote:  On with Jason and John at 11:40. Podcast will be up later.

Quick excerpts:
Said that the problem was not Tubby ("Tubby is a great coach and a great person").
He said his problems were with Bowen "who lied to us".
Loves Memphis and wants the city to support Tubby and the Tigers.
Says the real problem with local recruiting is the fans not giving the team the support the recruits think they deserve.
Believes Penny will surround himself with the best and be a great college coach.

I will keep an eye out for the podcast link.

This is concerning if true, but it strikes me as not quite accurate. The fanbase is strong and would explode in support if there were literally any top 50-100 players ready to reload next year.

But... I'm not a part of the 901 hoops scene, Lawson is.

So, I can't simply say he's wrong. Hell, he'd know and he might be right.
And if he's right, God help us all.

The enthusiasm needs the seed of recruiting victories or legit wins.
If the recruiting victories need the seed of enthusiasm, with the program where it is?

We have a problem.

He is the 4th person to say something like this in the past few months. Vanover's dad said local support was the reason they were delaying signing. But then he signed anyway. Kennedy's dad or coach said support was an issue. Harris's coach said it last week. Now Keelon.

People here don't want to hear it because it's calling you out as part of the problem - not part of the solution. But after a while there maybe some truth to it?

It is easy to mix up cause and effect. The declining local support (expressed through attendance, I suppose) is the effect. The cause is Tubby's failure to generate excitement upon his hire through adequate recruiting (caused in turn mainly by failure to hire good recruiting assistant coaches), lack of PR skills, massive transfers, lack of winning, and losing games at or near historic margins.

Furthermore, other coaches have revived moribund programs with scant attendance and won enough to draw fans. Larry Brown at SMU comes to mind.

(12-15-2017 04:19 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Have bashed Keelon as much as anyone, but actually thinks it speaks pretty well for all of them that they have remained friendly despite the chaos:

"Keelon Lawson on @929espn: "I still talk to Coach Smith. I talk to Pooh. We still have a relationship. I have nothing against Tubby Smith. That was business. Business is business."

The only rational explanation I can come up with based on this interview and Keelon saying those things that don't seem to jibe with any pre-existing information results in two questions

1) Is one of our assistants moving on?

2) has Chandler Lawson signed a LOI yet?

I'll let y'all connect the dots as to what I'm thinking

(12-15-2017 03:32 PM)tiger86 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 02:30 PM)ncrdbl1 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 01:05 PM)MemphisRob Wrote:  Well, Bowen has proven to be one of the best Ads in the country...... you know what I am saying.

Other than taking credit for the work that was done by others and using every opportunity to throw his name out for any opening what has he actually done?

You'd be hard pressed to find anything positive being done that was not already in the planning stages before he arrived.

Oh I don't know, got Bill Laurie back under the tent, which got the basketball facility built, got the IPF funded and construction slated to begin in January, hired Norvell 2 years ago, and re-upped him the other day. There may even be more.

Are you really as stupid as you appear to be?

There are 3 things responsible for the current uptick of Memphis athletics.

Fred Smith got very interested in Tigers football, partially due to Cal pissing him off and partly due to Cannon playing for Tigers. Raised a lot of money for Tigers football. Paid for a lot of the improvement at LBS including new video board.

Brad Martin (not Bowen) got Bill Laurie on board with Tigers basketball. RC was not the only issue there, as Bill had plenty of chances to donate to Tigers program before RC arrived and never did. Spent all his money at Missouri instead.

We got our own board of Trustees. Without it we would still have a lot of items on the drawing board right now instead of under construction. The old board was never going to give Memphis the go ahead on any project unless every dime of the money needed was already in the bank. They would have never allowed program to go into debt to upgrade facilities.

(12-15-2017 06:09 PM)jgardne Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 04:19 PM)Tigx Wrote:  Have bashed Keelon as much as anyone, but actually thinks it speaks pretty well for all of them that they have remained friendly despite the chaos:

"Keelon Lawson on @929espn: "I still talk to Coach Smith. I talk to Pooh. We still have a relationship. I have nothing against Tubby Smith. That was business. Business is business."

The only rational explanation I can come up with based on this interview and Keelon saying those things that don't seem to jibe with any pre-existing information results in two questions

1) Is one of our assistants moving on?

2) has Chandler Lawson signed a LOI yet?

I'll let y'all connect the dots as to what I'm thinking

The only coach on the staff that seems to have a pulse is Joe Esposito. I can't see any of the others being hired away unless they are just wanting out.

(12-15-2017 03:29 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 01:22 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:58 PM)OldManTiger Wrote:  On with Jason and John at 11:40. Podcast will be up later.

Quick excerpts:
Said that the problem was not Tubby ("Tubby is a great coach and a great person").
He said his problems were with Bowen "who lied to us".
Loves Memphis and wants the city to support Tubby and the Tigers.
Says the real problem with local recruiting is the fans not giving the team the support the recruits think they deserve.
Believes Penny will surround himself with the best and be a great college coach.

I will keep an eye out for the podcast link.

This is concerning if true, but it strikes me as not quite accurate. The fanbase is strong and would explode in support if there were literally any top 50-100 players ready to reload next year.

But... I'm not a part of the 901 hoops scene, Lawson is.

So, I can't simply say he's wrong. Hell, he'd know and he might be right.
And if he's right, God help us all.

The enthusiasm needs the seed of recruiting victories or legit wins.
If the recruiting victories need the seed of enthusiasm, with the program where it is?

We have a problem.

He is the 4th person to say something like this in the past few months. Vanover's dad said local support was the reason they were delaying signing. But then he signed anyway. Kennedy's dad or coach said support was an issue. Harris's coach said it last week. Now Keelon.

People here don't want to hear it because it's calling you out as part of the problem - not part of the solution. But after a while there maybe some truth to it?

Read between the lines, people. These coaches all know the reason there is not support, it's because of the failures of the coaches. You won't hear any of these guys come out and say directly it is because of Tubby Smith. It's called not burning bridges. Somehow Dana Kirk, Larry Finch, John Calipari, Josh Pastner, and even Tic F-ing Price were able to recruit Top 150 players to Memphis coming off "down" years.

And, every parent has also stated that this staff doesn't contact them they way other staffs do. The reason players aren't signing is because this staff is lazy, Tubby won't play the recruiting "game" , ergo he won't get any of these players. This is a minute by minute, tell me how great I am generation. Calling them once every couple of weeks ain't going to get it.

(12-15-2017 03:29 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 01:22 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:58 PM)OldManTiger Wrote:  On with Jason and John at 11:40. Podcast will be up later.

Quick excerpts:
Said that the problem was not Tubby ("Tubby is a great coach and a great person").
He said his problems were with Bowen "who lied to us".
Loves Memphis and wants the city to support Tubby and the Tigers.
Says the real problem with local recruiting is the fans not giving the team the support the recruits think they deserve.
Believes Penny will surround himself with the best and be a great college coach.

I will keep an eye out for the podcast link.

This is concerning if true, but it strikes me as not quite accurate. The fanbase is strong and would explode in support if there were literally any top 50-100 players ready to reload next year.

But... I'm not a part of the 901 hoops scene, Lawson is.

So, I can't simply say he's wrong. Hell, he'd know and he might be right.
And if he's right, God help us all.

The enthusiasm needs the seed of recruiting victories or legit wins.
If the recruiting victories need the seed of enthusiasm, with the program where it is?

We have a problem.

He is the 4th person to say something like this in the past few months. Vanover's dad said local support was the reason they were delaying signing. But then he signed anyway. Kennedy's dad or coach said support was an issue. Harris's coach said it last week. Now Keelon.

People here don't want to hear it because it's calling you out as part of the problem - not part of the solution. But after a while there maybe some truth to it?

Read between the lines, people. These coaches all know the reason there is not support, it's because of the failures of the coaches. You won't hear any of these guys come out and say directly it is because of Tubby Smith. It's called not burning bridges. Somehow Dana Kirk, Larry Finch, John Calipari, Josh Pastner, and even Tic F-ing Price were able to recruit Top 150 players to Memphis coming off "down" years.

And, every parent has also stated that this staff doesn't contact them they way other staffs do. The reason players aren't signing is because this staff is lazy, Tubby won't play the recruiting "game" , ergo he won't get any of these players. This is a minute by minute, tell me how great I am generation. Calling them once every couple of weeks ain't going to get it.

(12-15-2017 03:29 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 01:22 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:58 PM)OldManTiger Wrote:  On with Jason and John at 11:40. Podcast will be up later.

Quick excerpts:
Said that the problem was not Tubby ("Tubby is a great coach and a great person").
He said his problems were with Bowen "who lied to us".
Loves Memphis and wants the city to support Tubby and the Tigers.
Says the real problem with local recruiting is the fans not giving the team the support the recruits think they deserve.
Believes Penny will surround himself with the best and be a great college coach.

I will keep an eye out for the podcast link.

This is concerning if true, but it strikes me as not quite accurate. The fanbase is strong and would explode in support if there were literally any top 50-100 players ready to reload next year.

But... I'm not a part of the 901 hoops scene, Lawson is.

So, I can't simply say he's wrong. Hell, he'd know and he might be right.
And if he's right, God help us all.

The enthusiasm needs the seed of recruiting victories or legit wins.
If the recruiting victories need the seed of enthusiasm, with the program where it is?

We have a problem.

He is the 4th person to say something like this in the past few months. Vanover's dad said local support was the reason they were delaying signing. But then he signed anyway. Kennedy's dad or coach said support was an issue. Harris's coach said it last week. Now Keelon.

People here don't want to hear it because it's calling you out as part of the problem - not part of the solution. But after a while there maybe some truth to it?

Read between the lines, people. These coaches all know the reason there is not support, it's because of the failures of the coaches. You won't hear any of these guys come out and say directly it is because of Tubby Smith. It's called not burning bridges. Somehow Dana Kirk, Larry Finch, John Calipari, Josh Pastner, and even Tic F-ing Price were able to recruit Top 150 players to Memphis coming off "down" years.

And, every parent has also stated that this staff doesn't contact them they way other staffs do. The reason players aren't signing is because this staff is lazy, Tubby won't play the recruiting "game" , ergo he won't get any of these players. This is a minute by minute, tell me how great I am generation. Calling them once every couple of weeks ain't going to get it.

(12-15-2017 03:29 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 01:22 PM)Sundanceuiuc Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:58 PM)OldManTiger Wrote:  On with Jason and John at 11:40. Podcast will be up later.

Quick excerpts:
Said that the problem was not Tubby ("Tubby is a great coach and a great person").
He said his problems were with Bowen "who lied to us".
Loves Memphis and wants the city to support Tubby and the Tigers.
Says the real problem with local recruiting is the fans not giving the team the support the recruits think they deserve.
Believes Penny will surround himself with the best and be a great college coach.

I will keep an eye out for the podcast link.

This is concerning if true, but it strikes me as not quite accurate. The fanbase is strong and would explode in support if there were literally any top 50-100 players ready to reload next year.

But... I'm not a part of the 901 hoops scene, Lawson is.

So, I can't simply say he's wrong. Hell, he'd know and he might be right.
And if he's right, God help us all.

The enthusiasm needs the seed of recruiting victories or legit wins.
If the recruiting victories need the seed of enthusiasm, with the program where it is?

We have a problem.

He is the 4th person to say something like this in the past few months. Vanover's dad said local support was the reason they were delaying signing. But then he signed anyway. Kennedy's dad or coach said support was an issue. Harris's coach said it last week. Now Keelon.

People here don't want to hear it because it's calling you out as part of the problem - not part of the solution. But after a while there maybe some truth to it?

Read between the lines, people. These coaches all know the reason there is not support, it's because of the failures of the coaches. You won't hear any of these guys come out and say directly it is because of Tubby Smith. It's called not burning bridges. Somehow Dana Kirk, Larry Finch, John Calipari, Josh Pastner, and even Tic F-ing Price were able to recruit Top 150 players to Memphis coming off "down" years.

And, every parent has also stated that this staff doesn't contact them they way other staffs do. The reason players aren't signing is because this staff is lazy, Tubby won't play the recruiting "game" , ergo he won't get any of these players. This is a minute by minute, tell me how great I am generation. Calling them once every couple of weeks ain't going to get it.