(12-15-2017 12:42 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:12 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 11:52 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 10:21 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:58 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  Just saw it. It was good. Definitely better than TFA. Story was good. My one criticism is the attempts at comedy.

They do a great job of introducing new characters. I have to see it again.

Saw it last night, too. Would have liked more character development between Luke and Rey.

Are we doing spoilers here or not?

Now that the spoiler alert is up on the thread title....

I saw it last night too, and I agree with the above. I'm also disappointed that Rey doesn't "tie in with the mythology" (unless kylo ren was lying). I get that it's the "everyman" approach, but I expected more between Rey & Luke as well.

.....I also expected Leia's storyline to be more clearly wrapped up. They had already said she wouldn't be in ep. 9 even before her death, so I expected some clarity.

Do you think Rey's parentage was a swerve by Kylo, sort of how "Darth Vader killed your father" was in E1?

I'm surprised the number of reviews that seem to simply accept the Kylo statement without wondering if he is just being hurtful to Rey to turn her.

I would lean more toward Kylo lying if he & Rey didn't have that connection already, and he was saying "you know you feel it too."

I think they're wrapping up the "old guard's" ties to the new characters, and Rey having no familial ties helps with that. Like HLT said, the little boy using the force to grab the broom at the end is a "Luke" character - on his own, learning the legends and passing them on. Of course, we thought Luke was an outsider too until the end of Empire...

The fact that we're done with the old group of characters (except for Chewie, of course) is the part I'm having a little trouble processing. I really wanted the new ones to have that connection to them.

I think Rey will be connected. The next trilogy will be away from the Skywalker family.

Anakin was a nobody.

The force kid at the end of the movie was a nobody.

The fact Yoda and Obi spoke to Rey and the lightsaber had an effect says she is connected in someway.

Family means too much to Kylo he wants to be the heir to Darth Vader. If there was a connection to Obi-Wan, or Qui-Gon Jinn (or even Palpatine), (I assume she isn’t a Skywalker directly because neither Leia or Luke treated her like she was family) I think it would challenge his bloodline claims.

(12-15-2017 12:52 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:43 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  Since you’re the girl around here

Did Daisy Ridley look different in her scenes with Mark Hamill than she did at the end of TFA? I thought she looks so much older. It’s like MH from SW to TESB.

I will admit I thought Luke’s reaction to the lightsaber was amazing. No one could have expected that and it was a great laugh.

Yeah, I actually did laugh out loud at Luke's reaction.

I thought Daisy did look a little different - her face was more round, IMO.

What do ya'll think about Rose? IMO, I didn't really feel like she was all that sympathetic of a character.

That whole angle seemed forced just to give Finn a plotline. It went nowhere except to expose the seedy underbelly of galactic animal abuse.

(12-15-2017 12:49 PM)Trapper John Wrote:  The scenes between Rey and Kylo seemed a little odd until you find out that it is Snoke that is forcing them together. then they become almost creepy. Both Rey and Kylo are pawns in his game.

Going back to whether or not Kylo lied about Rey's parents...IIRC, that conversation happened AFTER Snoke was dead, so the 'connection' was still there without Snoke's involvement...

(12-15-2017 12:52 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:43 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  Since you’re the girl around here

Did Daisy Ridley look different in her scenes with Mark Hamill than she did at the end of TFA? I thought she looks so much older. It’s like MH from SW to TESB.

I will admit I thought Luke’s reaction to the lightsaber was amazing. No one could have expected that and it was a great laugh.

Yeah, I actually did laugh out loud at Luke's reaction.

I thought Daisy did look a little different - her face was more round, IMO.

What do ya'll think about Rose? IMO, I didn't really feel like she was all that sympathetic of a character.

Unless there will be a love triangle with Rose, Rey, and Finn, I don’t like the direction. Why can’t Finn get Rey? Or does Finn fall for every girl who doesn’t something nice for him?

As a character, I think she was really good. Her and DJ (Benicio del Toro). That dude is good in everything he’s in. I was wondering if he was the real master code breaker or if the guy with the pin was. But I think that was a great macguffin since it ultimately was a pointless mission. It showed that sometimes just following orders was the right decision. That mission cost hundred of lives.

(12-15-2017 12:56 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:42 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:12 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 11:52 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 10:21 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Saw it last night, too. Would have liked more character development between Luke and Rey.

Are we doing spoilers here or not?

Now that the spoiler alert is up on the thread title....

I saw it last night too, and I agree with the above. I'm also disappointed that Rey doesn't "tie in with the mythology" (unless kylo ren was lying). I get that it's the "everyman" approach, but I expected more between Rey & Luke as well.

.....I also expected Leia's storyline to be more clearly wrapped up. They had already said she wouldn't be in ep. 9 even before her death, so I expected some clarity.

Do you think Rey's parentage was a swerve by Kylo, sort of how "Darth Vader killed your father" was in E1?

I'm surprised the number of reviews that seem to simply accept the Kylo statement without wondering if he is just being hurtful to Rey to turn her.

I would lean more toward Kylo lying if he & Rey didn't have that connection already, and he was saying "you know you feel it too."

I think they're wrapping up the "old guard's" ties to the new characters, and Rey having no familial ties helps with that. Like HLT said, the little boy using the force to grab the broom at the end is a "Luke" character - on his own, learning the legends and passing them on. Of course, we thought Luke was an outsider too until the end of Empire...

The fact that we're done with the old group of characters (except for Chewie, of course) is the part I'm having a little trouble processing. I really wanted the new ones to have that connection to them.

I think Rey will be connected. The next trilogy will be away from the Skywalker family.

Anakin was a nobody.

The force kid at the end of the movie was a nobody.

The fact Yoda and Obi spoke to Rey and the lightsaber had an effect says she is connected in someway.

Family means too much to Kylo he wants to be the heir to Darth Vader. If there was a connection to Obi-Wan, or Qui-Gon Jinn (or even Palpatine), (I assume she isn’t a Skywalker directly because neither Leia or Luke treated her like she was family) I think it would challenge his bloodline claims.

Good points.

Here's an idea - what if Benecio del Toro's character is Rey's father? He's a gambler (Han Solo-esque), maybe he WOULD have sold his child like Kylo said.....but then her mother would have to be tied in to the Jedi world somehow.

(12-15-2017 01:00 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:52 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:43 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  Since you’re the girl around here

Did Daisy Ridley look different in her scenes with Mark Hamill than she did at the end of TFA? I thought she looks so much older. It’s like MH from SW to TESB.

I will admit I thought Luke’s reaction to the lightsaber was amazing. No one could have expected that and it was a great laugh.

Yeah, I actually did laugh out loud at Luke's reaction.

I thought Daisy did look a little different - her face was more round, IMO.

What do ya'll think about Rose? IMO, I didn't really feel like she was all that sympathetic of a character.

Unless there will be a love triangle with Rose, Rey, and Finn, I don’t like the direction. Why can’t Finn get Rey? Or does Finn fall for every girl who doesn’t something nice for him?

LOL - agreed. Her whole storyline was just lame to me.

(12-15-2017 01:04 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:56 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:42 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:12 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 11:52 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  Now that the spoiler alert is up on the thread title....

I saw it last night too, and I agree with the above. I'm also disappointed that Rey doesn't "tie in with the mythology" (unless kylo ren was lying). I get that it's the "everyman" approach, but I expected more between Rey & Luke as well.

.....I also expected Leia's storyline to be more clearly wrapped up. They had already said she wouldn't be in ep. 9 even before her death, so I expected some clarity.

Do you think Rey's parentage was a swerve by Kylo, sort of how "Darth Vader killed your father" was in E1?

I'm surprised the number of reviews that seem to simply accept the Kylo statement without wondering if he is just being hurtful to Rey to turn her.

I would lean more toward Kylo lying if he & Rey didn't have that connection already, and he was saying "you know you feel it too."

I think they're wrapping up the "old guard's" ties to the new characters, and Rey having no familial ties helps with that. Like HLT said, the little boy using the force to grab the broom at the end is a "Luke" character - on his own, learning the legends and passing them on. Of course, we thought Luke was an outsider too until the end of Empire...

The fact that we're done with the old group of characters (except for Chewie, of course) is the part I'm having a little trouble processing. I really wanted the new ones to have that connection to them.

I think Rey will be connected. The next trilogy will be away from the Skywalker family.

Anakin was a nobody.

The force kid at the end of the movie was a nobody.

The fact Yoda and Obi spoke to Rey and the lightsaber had an effect says she is connected in someway.

Family means too much to Kylo he wants to be the heir to Darth Vader. If there was a connection to Obi-Wan, or Qui-Gon Jinn (or even Palpatine), (I assume she isn’t a Skywalker directly because neither Leia or Luke treated her like she was family) I think it would challenge his bloodline claims.

Good points.

Here's an idea - what if Benecio del Toro's character is Rey's father? He's a gambler (Han Solo-esque), maybe he WOULD have sold his child like Kylo said.....but then her mother would have to be tied in to the Jedi world somehow.

Could Luke have had a fling?

(12-15-2017 01:07 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 01:04 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:56 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:42 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:12 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Do you think Rey's parentage was a swerve by Kylo, sort of how "Darth Vader killed your father" was in E1?

I'm surprised the number of reviews that seem to simply accept the Kylo statement without wondering if he is just being hurtful to Rey to turn her.

I would lean more toward Kylo lying if he & Rey didn't have that connection already, and he was saying "you know you feel it too."

I think they're wrapping up the "old guard's" ties to the new characters, and Rey having no familial ties helps with that. Like HLT said, the little boy using the force to grab the broom at the end is a "Luke" character - on his own, learning the legends and passing them on. Of course, we thought Luke was an outsider too until the end of Empire...

The fact that we're done with the old group of characters (except for Chewie, of course) is the part I'm having a little trouble processing. I really wanted the new ones to have that connection to them.

I think Rey will be connected. The next trilogy will be away from the Skywalker family.

Anakin was a nobody.

The force kid at the end of the movie was a nobody.

The fact Yoda and Obi spoke to Rey and the lightsaber had an effect says she is connected in someway.

Family means too much to Kylo he wants to be the heir to Darth Vader. If there was a connection to Obi-Wan, or Qui-Gon Jinn (or even Palpatine), (I assume she isn’t a Skywalker directly because neither Leia or Luke treated her like she was family) I think it would challenge his bloodline claims.

Good points.

Here's an idea - what if Benecio del Toro's character is Rey's father? He's a gambler (Han Solo-esque), maybe he WOULD have sold his child like Kylo said.....but then her mother would have to be tied in to the Jedi world somehow.

Could Luke have had a fling?

With DJ? Ewwww.

(12-15-2017 01:07 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 01:00 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:52 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:43 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  Since you’re the girl around here

Did Daisy Ridley look different in her scenes with Mark Hamill than she did at the end of TFA? I thought she looks so much older. It’s like MH from SW to TESB.

I will admit I thought Luke’s reaction to the lightsaber was amazing. No one could have expected that and it was a great laugh.

Yeah, I actually did laugh out loud at Luke's reaction.

I thought Daisy did look a little different - her face was more round, IMO.

What do ya'll think about Rose? IMO, I didn't really feel like she was all that sympathetic of a character.

Unless there will be a love triangle with Rose, Rey, and Finn, I don’t like the direction. Why can’t Finn get Rey? Or does Finn fall for every girl who doesn’t something nice for him?

LOL - agreed. Her whole storyline was just lame to me.

I think her as a character was fine. She believed in the rebellion and mourned her sister. She fell into the legend of Finn. I think she does Leia stuff.

(12-15-2017 01:04 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:56 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:42 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:12 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 11:52 AM)tigergreen Wrote:  Now that the spoiler alert is up on the thread title....

I saw it last night too, and I agree with the above. I'm also disappointed that Rey doesn't "tie in with the mythology" (unless kylo ren was lying). I get that it's the "everyman" approach, but I expected more between Rey & Luke as well.

.....I also expected Leia's storyline to be more clearly wrapped up. They had already said she wouldn't be in ep. 9 even before her death, so I expected some clarity.

Do you think Rey's parentage was a swerve by Kylo, sort of how "Darth Vader killed your father" was in E1?

I'm surprised the number of reviews that seem to simply accept the Kylo statement without wondering if he is just being hurtful to Rey to turn her.

I would lean more toward Kylo lying if he & Rey didn't have that connection already, and he was saying "you know you feel it too."

I think they're wrapping up the "old guard's" ties to the new characters, and Rey having no familial ties helps with that. Like HLT said, the little boy using the force to grab the broom at the end is a "Luke" character - on his own, learning the legends and passing them on. Of course, we thought Luke was an outsider too until the end of Empire...

The fact that we're done with the old group of characters (except for Chewie, of course) is the part I'm having a little trouble processing. I really wanted the new ones to have that connection to them.

I think Rey will be connected. The next trilogy will be away from the Skywalker family.

Anakin was a nobody.

The force kid at the end of the movie was a nobody.

The fact Yoda and Obi spoke to Rey and the lightsaber had an effect says she is connected in someway.

Family means too much to Kylo he wants to be the heir to Darth Vader. If there was a connection to Obi-Wan, or Qui-Gon Jinn (or even Palpatine), (I assume she isn’t a Skywalker directly because neither Leia or Luke treated her like she was family) I think it would challenge his bloodline claims.

Good points.

Here's an idea - what if Benecio del Toro's character is Rey's father? He's a gambler (Han Solo-esque), maybe he WOULD have sold his child like Kylo said.....but then her mother would have to be tied in to the Jedi world somehow.

As long as they don't try to explain how Rey's mitichlorian (sp?) count is off the charts...

One other aspect moving forward is that if they follow the Master / apprentice model of the Sith, which they have so far throughout the 8 movies, then there will have to be a new apprentice for Kylo. He obviously wanted it to be Rey in the way that Vader wanted it to be Luke, but it will be interesting to see if they introduce another bad guy, and who it will be if they do.

(12-15-2017 01:10 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 01:04 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:56 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:42 PM)tigergreen Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 12:12 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  Do you think Rey's parentage was a swerve by Kylo, sort of how "Darth Vader killed your father" was in E1?

I'm surprised the number of reviews that seem to simply accept the Kylo statement without wondering if he is just being hurtful to Rey to turn her.

I would lean more toward Kylo lying if he & Rey didn't have that connection already, and he was saying "you know you feel it too."

I think they're wrapping up the "old guard's" ties to the new characters, and Rey having no familial ties helps with that. Like HLT said, the little boy using the force to grab the broom at the end is a "Luke" character - on his own, learning the legends and passing them on. Of course, we thought Luke was an outsider too until the end of Empire...

The fact that we're done with the old group of characters (except for Chewie, of course) is the part I'm having a little trouble processing. I really wanted the new ones to have that connection to them.

I think Rey will be connected. The next trilogy will be away from the Skywalker family.

Anakin was a nobody.

The force kid at the end of the movie was a nobody.

The fact Yoda and Obi spoke to Rey and the lightsaber had an effect says she is connected in someway.

Family means too much to Kylo he wants to be the heir to Darth Vader. If there was a connection to Obi-Wan, or Qui-Gon Jinn (or even Palpatine), (I assume she isn’t a Skywalker directly because neither Leia or Luke treated her like she was family) I think it would challenge his bloodline claims.

Good points.

Here's an idea - what if Benecio del Toro's character is Rey's father? He's a gambler (Han Solo-esque), maybe he WOULD have sold his child like Kylo said.....but then her mother would have to be tied in to the Jedi world somehow.

As long as they don't try to explain how Rey's mitichlorian (sp?) count is off the charts...

Depending on who her mom is...forgot about midichlorians!

I loved Luke and R2's reuniting scene in the Falcon. With so much history invested in these characters, that scene was simply great.

On that note....C-3PO and R2D2 were basically afterthoughts in this one. With Episode 9 bringing this trilogy to a close, I wonder if we'll see them meet their end. Swear I'm gonna cry if they go out together.

(12-15-2017 01:19 PM)Trapper John Wrote:  One other aspect moving forward is that if they follow the Master / apprentice model of the Sith, which they have so far throughout the 8 movies, then there will have to be a new apprentice for Kylo. He obviously wanted it to be Rey in the way that Vader wanted it to be Luke, but it will be interesting to see if they introduce another bad guy, and who it will be if they do.

He mentioned the Sith and the Jedi dying. So I don’t think he would consider himself a Sith. Plus there is the issue of the Jedi trainees who left Luke’s temple with him.

(12-16-2017 12:16 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 01:19 PM)Trapper John Wrote:  One other aspect moving forward is that if they follow the Master / apprentice model of the Sith, which they have so far throughout the 8 movies, then there will have to be a new apprentice for Kylo. He obviously wanted it to be Rey in the way that Vader wanted it to be Luke, but it will be interesting to see if they introduce another bad guy, and who it will be if they do.

He mentioned the Sith and the Jedi dying. So I don’t think he would consider himself a Sith. Plus there is the issue of the Jedi trainees who left Luke’s temple with him.

He also (later) takes the mantle of Supreme Leader. "The Supreme Leader is dead. Long live the Supreme Leader!"

(12-16-2017 12:16 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 01:19 PM)Trapper John Wrote:  One other aspect moving forward is that if they follow the Master / apprentice model of the Sith, which they have so far throughout the 8 movies, then there will have to be a new apprentice for Kylo. He obviously wanted it to be Rey in the way that Vader wanted it to be Luke, but it will be interesting to see if they introduce another bad guy, and who it will be if they do.

He mentioned the Sith and the Jedi dying. So I don’t think he would consider himself a Sith. Plus there is the issue of the Jedi trainees who left Luke’s temple with him.

"With him" meaning Kylo, right?

Rey and Kylo will become lovers. Rey will turn Kylo back, have kids and the story starts over.

(12-15-2017 12:41 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  I suspect he was lying. Just like he lied about exactly what happened with Luke. Just like he lied about what happened with Snoke.

I don't think he lied about what happened with Luke. He woke up and saw Luke standing over him with his lightsaber on, so from his perspective he thought Luke was about to kill him (which Luke admits he thought about doing in a moment of weakness). Luke refers to Kylo's scared eyes, so it was perfectly reasonable for Kylo to go into defense mode. It makes his character more sympathetic.

(12-15-2017 12:41 PM)Latilleon Wrote:  I don’t like that Snoke was never explained. Who was he? How did he come to power? Where was he during the reign of Palpetine?

I suspect we will get more of his backstory in Episode IX. If not then I will definitely feel like his character was not handled as fully as he should have.

The Snoke storyline was too much of a mystery, especially for a key character that most likely won't be seen in the next episode.

Too many loose ends were created and not enough loose ends were tied together from prior episodes.

My feeling is that this episode was simply a transition between episodes. It could've been a bit more.

In fact, I am trying to think of ANY loose ends that were resolved in this episode.

(12-16-2017 11:19 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(12-16-2017 12:16 AM)Latilleon Wrote:  

(12-15-2017 01:19 PM)Trapper John Wrote:  One other aspect moving forward is that if they follow the Master / apprentice model of the Sith, which they have so far throughout the 8 movies, then there will have to be a new apprentice for Kylo. He obviously wanted it to be Rey in the way that Vader wanted it to be Luke, but it will be interesting to see if they introduce another bad guy, and who it will be if they do.

He mentioned the Sith and the Jedi dying. So I don’t think he would consider himself a Sith. Plus there is the issue of the Jedi trainees who left Luke’s temple with him.

"With him" meaning Kylo, right?

Yes