If this ultimately ends up being true, it will be interesting to see how secular and religious institutions react to this in the future.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/...cientists/

Quote:Genes linked to homosexuality have been discovered by scientists in the biggest ever study into the genetic basis for sexual orientation.

For the first time, researchers looked at the complete genome - a person’s entire DNA code - for more than 1,000 gay men and compared it to genetic data from a similar number of heterosexual males.

They discovered that DNA was different for gay and straight men around the genes SLITRK5 and SLITRK6.

SLITRK6 is an important gene for brain development, and is particularly active in a region of the brain which includes the hypothalamus.

The hypothalamus is crucial for producing the hormones which control sex drive, and previous studies have shown parts of it are up to 34 per cent larger in gay men.

(12-08-2017 08:16 AM)miko33 Wrote:  If this ultimately ends up being true, it will be interesting to see how secular and religious institutions react to this in the future.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/science/2017/...cientists/

Quote:Genes linked to homosexuality have been discovered by scientists in the biggest ever study into the genetic basis for sexual orientation.

For the first time, researchers looked at the complete genome - a person’s entire DNA code - for more than 1,000 gay men and compared it to genetic data from a similar number of heterosexual males.

They discovered that DNA was different for gay and straight men around the genes SLITRK5 and SLITRK6.

SLITRK6 is an important gene for brain development, and is particularly active in a region of the brain which includes the hypothalamus.

The hypothalamus is crucial for producing the hormones which control sex drive, and previous studies have shown parts of it are up to 34 per cent larger in gay men.

We should know soon enough. Now that coming out is celebrated and given positive attention, we should have very few closet cases that live normal lives with wives and kids. If it is genetic, the number of young homosexuals as a percentage of the population should be plummeting very soon, if not already started, and should start getting smaller year after year.

It's already been known from identical twin data that it's partially genetic (not genetically deterministic). The only thing new here appears to be the specific gene.

Anybody with a brain new this already.

Now the big questions....

Does hormone impact gene expression? Does environment and diet impact hormone production? Does the diet and environment of the grandmother impact the genetic makeup of the granddaughter?

Very interesting topic on many levels!
Thank you miko33!

There are two possibilities I see.

1. It could be a fetish that develops over time. For instance, some people like fat girls. Back in the middle ages, fat girls were the gold standard. In the 80s and 90s fat girls were almost universally seen as revolting. Now it seems to be making a comeback and perhaps even a fetish for the majority among African-American men now. These trends can hardly be explained by genetics. If homosexuality is similar, then the answer is environmental or societally driven.

2. Some may be more predisposed to it and perhaps there is a genetic component to that. Think alcohol. The vast majority of people can have a drink whenever they want with no consequences. Some have one and cannot stop and succumb to alcoholism. There appears to be a clear genetic link to this. I may be able to buy that there is a genetic link to homosexuality in a similar manner... that the genetics makes one more predisposed to this, but if they never take that first drink, the disease remains dormant. Either way, whether the genetics makes one born homosexual or predisposed to become homosexual, the numbers should be going down, even if the gene is recessive, not going up or remaining relatively constant. We'll see.

(12-08-2017 09:18 AM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  Anybody with a brain new this already.

I thought we had intense debate on whether it was behavioral or genetic - or even environmental.

A lot of gays claim it is ONLY genetic.

Seems like most stories of lesbians I read involve an abusive father/relative/husband. I don't believe for a minute that it is ALL genetic. And its pretty clear many bi-sexuals are simply experimenting. To use a leftist term, they are trying to "normalize" all of that and create a bigger pool of potential partners.

(12-08-2017 10:01 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 09:18 AM)BuffaloTN Wrote:  Anybody with a brain new this already.

I thought we had intense debate on whether it was behavioral or genetic - or even environmental.

Genetic and environmental are the same thing. That’s why a whale became a bear.

(12-08-2017 10:05 AM)bullet Wrote:  A lot of gays claim it is ONLY genetic.

Seems like most stories of lesbians I read involve an abusive father/relative/husband. I don't believe for a minute that it is ALL genetic. And its pretty clear many bi-sexuals are simply experimenting. To use a leftist term, they are trying to "normalize" all of that and create a bigger pool of potential partners.

There are also a lot of studies showing high rates of absent or distant fathers and overbearing mothers when it comes to gay men.

Also a high rate were sexually abused in adolescent. Then again, those that allow themselves to be groomed and abused by the "Ralphs" of the world may be those that have the predisposition anyway.

(12-08-2017 09:42 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  There are two possibilities I see.

1. It could be a fetish that develops over time. For instance, some people like fat girls. Back in the middle ages, fat girls were the gold standard. In the 80s and 90s fat girls were almost universally seen as revolting. Now it seems to be making a comeback and perhaps even a fetish for the majority among African-American men now. These trends can hardly be explained by genetics. If homosexuality is similar, then the answer is environmental or societally driven.

2. Some may be more predisposed to it and perhaps there is a genetic component to that. Think alcohol. The vast majority of people can have a drink whenever they want with no consequences. Some have one and cannot stop and succumb to alcoholism. There appears to be a clear genetic link to this. I may be able to buy that there is a genetic link to homosexuality in a similar manner... that the genetics makes one more predisposed to this, but if they never take that first drink, the disease remains dormant. Either way, whether the genetics makes one born homosexual or predisposed to become homosexual, the numbers should be going down, even if the gene is recessive, not going up or remaining relatively constant. We'll see.

^^^^^^

(12-08-2017 09:42 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  There are two possibilities I see.

1. It could be a fetish that develops over time. For instance, some people like fat girls. Back in the middle ages, fat girls were the gold standard. In the 80s and 90s fat girls were almost universally seen as revolting. Now it seems to be making a comeback and perhaps even a fetish for the majority among African-American men now. These trends can hardly be explained by genetics. If homosexuality is similar, then the answer is environmental or societally driven.

2. Some may be more predisposed to it and perhaps there is a genetic component to that. Think alcohol. The vast majority of people can have a drink whenever they want with no consequences. Some have one and cannot stop and succumb to alcoholism. There appears to be a clear genetic link to this. I may be able to buy that there is a genetic link to homosexuality in a similar manner... that the genetics makes one more predisposed to this, but if they never take that first drink, the disease remains dormant. Either way, whether the genetics makes one born homosexual or predisposed to become homosexual, the numbers should be going down, even if the gene is recessive, not going up or remaining relatively constant. We'll see.

Logically, I don't think it works that way. I think there would have to be actual sexual attraction before anyone would ever decide to act upon it. Substitute heterosexual man into your hypothesis. Do you think that if a straight guy never kisses a girl that his libido would remain dormant?

(12-08-2017 10:33 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 09:42 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  There are two possibilities I see.

1. It could be a fetish that develops over time. For instance, some people like fat girls. Back in the middle ages, fat girls were the gold standard. In the 80s and 90s fat girls were almost universally seen as revolting. Now it seems to be making a comeback and perhaps even a fetish for the majority among African-American men now. These trends can hardly be explained by genetics. If homosexuality is similar, then the answer is environmental or societally driven.

2. Some may be more predisposed to it and perhaps there is a genetic component to that. Think alcohol. The vast majority of people can have a drink whenever they want with no consequences. Some have one and cannot stop and succumb to alcoholism. There appears to be a clear genetic link to this. I may be able to buy that there is a genetic link to homosexuality in a similar manner... that the genetics makes one more predisposed to this, but if they never take that first drink, the disease remains dormant. Either way, whether the genetics makes one born homosexual or predisposed to become homosexual, the numbers should be going down, even if the gene is recessive, not going up or remaining relatively constant. We'll see.

Logically, I don't think it works that way. I think there would have to be actual sexual attraction before anyone would ever decide to act upon it. Substitute heterosexual man into your hypothesis. Do you think that if a straight guy never kisses a girl that his libido would remain dormant?

What about a dog that humps a pillow? A leg? Is there attraction there?

(12-08-2017 10:24 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 10:05 AM)bullet Wrote:  A lot of gays claim it is ONLY genetic.

Seems like most stories of lesbians I read involve an abusive father/relative/husband. I don't believe for a minute that it is ALL genetic. And its pretty clear many bi-sexuals are simply experimenting. To use a leftist term, they are trying to "normalize" all of that and create a bigger pool of potential partners.

There are also a lot of studies showing high rates of absent or distant fathers and overbearing mothers when it comes to gay men.

Also a high rate were sexually abused in adolescent. Then again, those that allow themselves to be groomed and abused by the "Ralphs" of the world may be those that have the predisposition anyway.

There is a lot of science on gene triggers. Some genes don't express themselves unless the right environmental conditions occur.

I wouldn't be surprised if one of those triggers for "gayness" is crowding. Whether gays congregate in cities, are created in cities or are simply afraid to come out of the closet in less populated areas isn't clear, but the openly gay populations are definitely bigger in cities. Much like women have trouble conceiving when they have little body fat, gayness in crowding situations could be a genetic factor that kept ancient societies from reproducing too much and starving.

(12-08-2017 10:38 AM)Dasville Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 10:33 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 09:42 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  There are two possibilities I see.

1. It could be a fetish that develops over time. For instance, some people like fat girls. Back in the middle ages, fat girls were the gold standard. In the 80s and 90s fat girls were almost universally seen as revolting. Now it seems to be making a comeback and perhaps even a fetish for the majority among African-American men now. These trends can hardly be explained by genetics. If homosexuality is similar, then the answer is environmental or societally driven.

2. Some may be more predisposed to it and perhaps there is a genetic component to that. Think alcohol. The vast majority of people can have a drink whenever they want with no consequences. Some have one and cannot stop and succumb to alcoholism. There appears to be a clear genetic link to this. I may be able to buy that there is a genetic link to homosexuality in a similar manner... that the genetics makes one more predisposed to this, but if they never take that first drink, the disease remains dormant. Either way, whether the genetics makes one born homosexual or predisposed to become homosexual, the numbers should be going down, even if the gene is recessive, not going up or remaining relatively constant. We'll see.

Logically, I don't think it works that way. I think there would have to be actual sexual attraction before anyone would ever decide to act upon it. Substitute heterosexual man into your hypothesis. Do you think that if a straight guy never kisses a girl that his libido would remain dormant?

What about a dog that humps a pillow? A leg? Is there attraction there?

We're talking about humans - not animals. Your example would be closest to human masturbation practices, and with that assumption in mind the mental imagery would still involve feelings of lust for someone in most cases. We have the sex hormones coursing thru our bodies that affect libido chemically. I don't believe there is a chemically driven urge to try drugs and alcohol for the first time in order to "switch a gene(s) on".

(12-08-2017 10:45 AM)miko33 Wrote:  I don't believe there is a chemically driven urge to try drugs and alcohol for the first time in order to "switch a gene(s) on".

you're crazy. drugs and alcohol are sought after aids of clarity. the unknown will always drive man to the furthest edges of the universe

(12-08-2017 10:39 AM)bullet Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 10:24 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(12-08-2017 10:05 AM)bullet Wrote:  A lot of gays claim it is ONLY genetic.

Seems like most stories of lesbians I read involve an abusive father/relative/husband. I don't believe for a minute that it is ALL genetic. And its pretty clear many bi-sexuals are simply experimenting. To use a leftist term, they are trying to "normalize" all of that and create a bigger pool of potential partners.

There are also a lot of studies showing high rates of absent or distant fathers and overbearing mothers when it comes to gay men.

Also a high rate were sexually abused in adolescent. Then again, those that allow themselves to be groomed and abused by the "Ralphs" of the world may be those that have the predisposition anyway.

There is a lot of science on gene triggers. Some genes don't express themselves unless the right environmental conditions occur.

that is correct.....

it's no different than all humans carry the cancer gene.....it's what triggers such that is being worked on right now....

this is the prelude to genetic engineering (something I have opined on many a time)

it's 21st century Darwinism at it's finest with our finger a tap away from that button....

(12-08-2017 10:44 AM)bullet Wrote:  I wouldn't be surprised if one of those triggers for "gayness" is crowding. Whether gays congregate in cities, are created in cities or are simply afraid to come out of the closet in less populated areas isn't clear, but the openly gay populations are definitely bigger in cities. Much like women have trouble conceiving when they have little body fat, gayness in crowding situations could be a genetic factor that kept ancient societies from reproducing too much and starving.

In some animals, litter size depends on food source AND competition. Low population equals larger litter size despite food source. Look no further than Africa for procreation not based on food source.

(12-08-2017 09:42 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  There are two possibilities I see.

1. It could be a fetish that develops over time. For instance, some people like fat girls. Back in the middle ages, fat girls were the gold standard. In the 80s and 90s fat girls were almost universally seen as revolting. Now it seems to be making a comeback and perhaps even a fetish for the majority among African-American men now. These trends can hardly be explained by genetics. If homosexuality is similar, then the answer is environmental or societally driven.

2. Some may be more predisposed to it and perhaps there is a genetic component to that. Think alcohol. The vast majority of people can have a drink whenever they want with no consequences. Some have one and cannot stop and succumb to alcoholism. There appears to be a clear genetic link to this. I may be able to buy that there is a genetic link to homosexuality in a similar manner... that the genetics makes one more predisposed to this, but if they never take that first drink, the disease remains dormant. Either way, whether the genetics makes one born homosexual or predisposed to become homosexual, the numbers should be going down, even if the gene is recessive, not going up or remaining relatively constant. We'll see.

I think you nailed it. No pun intended. LOL. I agree with you 100%.