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RE: Piggies on Hogville board are salty
(12-06-2017 05:40 PM)Atlanta Wrote: (12-06-2017 05:10 PM)ddramone Wrote: (12-06-2017 04:49 PM)Tigx Wrote: (12-06-2017 04:37 PM)Atlanta Wrote: (12-06-2017 03:49 PM)Tigx Wrote: Atlanta, don't get this continued focus on '7 coaches in last 25 years' you keep quoting. First, it's not 7. And kind of a meaningless metric. Almost all schools have had 5 or 6 full-time coaches in the last 25 seasons.
And it's really 5 coaches - Ford, Nutt, Petrino, John L. Smith, Bielma. If you are counting guys who coach the bowl games after coaches leave, that's a stretch, IMO.
Last 25 seasons, Alabama has had 5 full-time - Stallings, Dubose, Franchione, Shula, Saban (not including Kines who coached a bowl, and Price who never coached a game).
Memphis has had 6 - Stobart, Scherer, West, Porter, Fuente, Norvell.
AR has been promoting themselves as a destination job. I say no, it's a virtual guarantee to be fired 4-5 yrs. And it actually it is 7 coaches + 2 interims over the last 25 yrs.... Crowe, Kines (3-6-1 as interim), Ford, Nutt, Herring - interim, Petrino, Smith, Bielema & now Morris.
Come on Atlanta, you can't make up you own math.
Last 25 years does not include Chad Morris - last implies the past, not the future. And Kines was more than 25 seasons ago.
Herring? Are you serious? He coached 1 game after Nutt resigned. If you want to start counting 1 bowl game coaches, then Darrel Dickey was once the head coach of our Memphis Tigers.
Correct # of Arkansas head coaches for the last 25 seasons is 5 - Ford, Nutt, Petrino, John L. Smith, Bielma - which is probably less than the normal amount.
USC is a destination job and they've had 6 coaches in the last 25 seasons:
Robinson/Hackett/Carroll/Kiffin/Sarkisian/Helton
Texas is a destination job and they've had 4:
Mackovic, Brown, Strong and Hermann.
Oklahoma is a destination job and they've had 5
Gibbs/Schnellenberger/Blake/Stoops/Riley
Ohio State has only had 3:
Cooper/Tressell/Meyer
Michigan has had 5
Moeller/Carr/Rodriguez/Hoke/Harbaugh
Florida has had 5
Spurrier/Zook/Meyer/Muschamp/Mcelwain
So Arkansas is actually pretty close in terms of stability.
Looks like we've found the Hog apologists on the Memphis board. All of the AR coaches I noted were fired. Quite different than your list where Spurrier, Meyer, Schnellenberger, Stoops all could have coached as long as they wanted. My idea of a destination job is where there is a reasonable ability to meet the expectations of the program. AR doesn't meet that criteria IMO, because they have fired every coach they have employed during that time, they play for 4th best in the SEC west most yrs & have NEVER won an SEC championship.
Okay, here we go:
For 'Bama, 4 of the 5 were fired;
For Florida, 3 of the 5 were fired;
For Oklahoma, 3 of 4 (pre-Riley) were fired;
For USC, 4 of the 5 were fired (Robinson 'retired', ha!).
For Texas, 3 of the 4 were fired (again, Mack Brown was likely going to get fired).
There are very few destination jobs where the advantages are huge and you somehow won't get fired.
I am not a Hog apologist, but this notion that our job is somehow better because 'we have a better chance of a NY bowl' (not you) or 'you'll get fired there and therefore not a destination job' (this is you) is crazy.
If you are HC at the D-1 level, there's a pretty good chance you're an alpha male type. And most alpha males think they can be a lion tamer and if that means going to Arkansas (if offered) so be it.
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Piggies on Hogville board are salty
