(11-14-2017 07:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 05:35 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 05:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 05:22 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 02:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  My school has been in the AAC since day one, and what we've gotten from Aresco is ... a peanut TV deal, peanut bowl deal, and ... well that's it in 5 long years.

We've been promised things will be a lot better three years from now, though. So there's that.

So Quo, serious question. What could Aresco have done differently to get a better deal under the circumstances? What would you have done? What would anybody else we hired have done?

I don't think anything. I don't think Slive or Delany could have done any better, at least not with respect to the big things (I do think Aresco bungled our bowls a bit, e.g., it's silly that with Tulane we don't have the New Orleans bowl).

But that's not been my point: My point is that he's been vastly overpaid. He is paid almost like a P5 commissioner for a job in which his skills, if he has any, are of little or no use, precisely because our value is pretty obvious to everyone and there's not much wiggle room for improvement. If it's true that alleged geniuses like Slive or Delany wouldn't have done any better, it's equally true that the guys running the MAC or C-USA wouldn't have done any worse.

That's been my complaint about Aresco since the git: Not that he's failed to do certain things that could have been done, just that he has been, and continues to be, vastly overpaid for doing things that many others could have done for 1/2 or even 1/3 the price.

And yet, Aresco is hailed around here for ... what? For constantly talking up the conference with stuff like the P6 campaign, that have yet to yield any tangible benefits? Anyone can talk. That's they way it seems and that makes no sense to me.

So stated differently, he should get a huge pay cut. That is your point? That'll attract a high caliber replacement when he eventually has to be replaced.

We could get someone who does just as effective a job for 1/3 what Aresco is paid.

Bottom line is, so far, the only lucrative contract Aresco has ever signed since he's been our commissioner is ... his own. His pay is very good, and IMO way above what his value has been to the conference in terms of return on investment.

Basically, Aresco gets almost as much each year from the AAC as each member school does. That's pretty amazing, and sad.

So shortsighted in what you see. He inherited a train wreck. Now a few years later and the league has developed a lot of brand equity. He is a constant promoter and tireless in his efforts to elevate the league. If you should have any disdain for a comish it should be for the meatball that ran the league before him and allowed it to get raided. That guy did literally nothing and probably made more money. With Aresco given the circumstances it was always about the next deal. Now if that is bad I will agree you are right.

(11-14-2017 07:27 PM)HoustonRocks Wrote:  Aresco obtained better exposure for the AAC than any other non-$$$ conference. Other non-$$$ schools are almost never on TV.
He was instrumental in getting the NY6 game for the non-$$$ conferences.

He performed very well for the cards he was handed.

Exactly.

(11-14-2017 04:10 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 02:40 PM)HuskyU Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 02:32 PM)fanhood Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 02:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 11:10 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Plucking the Shockers when he did. Creating the P6 narrative. I mean... is there a better conference commissioner in the nation that does more with less? He's light years beyond what we had in the MVC.

My school has been in the AAC since day one, and what we've gotten from Aresco is ... a peanut TV deal, peanut bowl deal, and ... well that's it in 5 long years.

We've been promised things will be a lot better three years from now, though. So there's that.

He also gave you the dissolution of the Big East, after the Tulane addition. This followed promises of a large TV contract.

He also didn't give us 10:30 PM Eastern start times...

For sure. They suck. But is that good enough for you? I may be so.

Late start times are great for BSU's national audience

(11-14-2017 11:10 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Plucking the Shockers when he did. Creating the P6 narrative. I mean... is there a better conference commissioner in the nation that does more with less? He's light years beyond what we had in the MVC.

Adding the Shockers to a conference that had been slipping precipitously to the point of near-irrelevancy in basketball has almost instantly bolstered the entire membership in a matter of months. Everybody has been bullish - even the programs that have no reason to be bullish are energized.

Adding a basketball school to a football conference - specifically with the Big East's past - took balls. Creating and successfully implementing the P6 narrative in a world that fiercely defends its branding borders took brains. Aresco is flush with both.

T


...

LOL... Sure he's a baller. He'll get a little mileage from adding WCC this year and then what? Marshall will be bolting at seasons end and five years from now WCC will be just another basketball dreg. Bright side of it is WCC 's payday is only a few hundred grand a year, not even enough to put gas in the bus all season, so at least they won't be a money drain on everyone else.

(11-14-2017 07:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 05:35 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 05:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 05:22 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 02:23 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  My school has been in the AAC since day one, and what we've gotten from Aresco is ... a peanut TV deal, peanut bowl deal, and ... well that's it in 5 long years.

We've been promised things will be a lot better three years from now, though. So there's that.

So Quo, serious question. What could Aresco have done differently to get a better deal under the circumstances? What would you have done? What would anybody else we hired have done?

I don't think anything. I don't think Slive or Delany could have done any better, at least not with respect to the big things (I do think Aresco bungled our bowls a bit, e.g., it's silly that with Tulane we don't have the New Orleans bowl).

But that's not been my point: My point is that he's been vastly overpaid. He is paid almost like a P5 commissioner for a job in which his skills, if he has any, are of little or no use, precisely because our value is pretty obvious to everyone and there's not much wiggle room for improvement. If it's true that alleged geniuses like Slive or Delany wouldn't have done any better, it's equally true that the guys running the MAC or C-USA wouldn't have done any worse.

That's been my complaint about Aresco since the git: Not that he's failed to do certain things that could have been done, just that he has been, and continues to be, vastly overpaid for doing things that many others could have done for 1/2 or even 1/3 the price.

And yet, Aresco is hailed around here for ... what? For constantly talking up the conference with stuff like the P6 campaign, that have yet to yield any tangible benefits? Anyone can talk. That's they way it seems and that makes no sense to me.

So stated differently, he should get a huge pay cut. That is your point? That'll attract a high caliber replacement when he eventually has to be replaced.

We could get someone who does just as effective a job for 1/3 what Aresco is paid.

Bottom line is, so far, the only lucrative contract Aresco has ever signed since he's been our commissioner is ... his own. His pay is very good, and IMO way above what his value has been to the conference in terms of return on investment.

Basically, Aresco gets almost as much each year from the AAC as each member school does. That's pretty amazing, and sad.

What?!?
Aresco is getting paid $3million a year!?! That's outrageous!

According to this,
htttp://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-huskies/hc-aac-uconn-money-0527-20170526-story.html
for the 15-16 year, Navy's partial payment was $2.7 and UCF &SMU $3.5 million. Media rights of about $20 million, CFP another $20 million, and other bowls around $5 million adds up. And you kind of have to give Aresco credit for the CFP and bowl money.
Those three numbers are WITHOUT exit fees - the three former Big East schools including YOURS are in the $10million range.
So Aresco makes a third of what the LEAST compensated schools get, and 10-15% of what YOUR school gets in AAC revenue distribution.

Nice little sound bite you have there....too bad it isn't in the same ballpark as true

(11-14-2017 10:19 PM)mactough Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 11:10 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Plucking the Shockers when he did. Creating the P6 narrative. I mean... is there a better conference commissioner in the nation that does more with less? He's light years beyond what we had in the MVC.

Adding the Shockers to a conference that had been slipping precipitously to the point of near-irrelevancy in basketball has almost instantly bolstered the entire membership in a matter of months. Everybody has been bullish - even the programs that have no reason to be bullish are energized.

Adding a basketball school to a football conference - specifically with the Big East's past - took balls. Creating and successfully implementing the P6 narrative in a world that fiercely defends its branding borders took brains. Aresco is flush with both.

T


...

LOL... Sure he's a baller. He'll get a little mileage from adding WCC this year and then what? Marshall will be bolting at seasons end and five years from now WCC will be just another basketball dreg. Bright side of it is WCC 's payday is only a few hundred grand a year, not even enough to put gas in the bus all season, so at least they won't be a money drain on everyone else.

How many screen names do you have Rutquohoodmac?

(11-14-2017 07:39 PM)PT_american Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 07:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 05:35 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 05:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 05:22 PM)TripleA Wrote:  So Quo, serious question. What could Aresco have done differently to get a better deal under the circumstances? What would you have done? What would anybody else we hired have done?

I don't think anything. I don't think Slive or Delany could have done any better, at least not with respect to the big things (I do think Aresco bungled our bowls a bit, e.g., it's silly that with Tulane we don't have the New Orleans bowl).

But that's not been my point: My point is that he's been vastly overpaid. He is paid almost like a P5 commissioner for a job in which his skills, if he has any, are of little or no use, precisely because our value is pretty obvious to everyone and there's not much wiggle room for improvement. If it's true that alleged geniuses like Slive or Delany wouldn't have done any better, it's equally true that the guys running the MAC or C-USA wouldn't have done any worse.

That's been my complaint about Aresco since the git: Not that he's failed to do certain things that could have been done, just that he has been, and continues to be, vastly overpaid for doing things that many others could have done for 1/2 or even 1/3 the price.

And yet, Aresco is hailed around here for ... what? For constantly talking up the conference with stuff like the P6 campaign, that have yet to yield any tangible benefits? Anyone can talk. That's they way it seems and that makes no sense to me.

So stated differently, he should get a huge pay cut. That is your point? That'll attract a high caliber replacement when he eventually has to be replaced.

We could get someone who does just as effective a job for 1/3 what Aresco is paid.

Bottom line is, so far, the only lucrative contract Aresco has ever signed since he's been our commissioner is ... his own. His pay is very good, and IMO way above what his value has been to the conference in terms of return on investment.

Basically, Aresco gets almost as much each year from the AAC as each member school does. That's pretty amazing, and sad.

So shortsighted in what you see. He inherited a train wreck. Now a few years later and the league has developed a lot of brand equity. He is a constant promoter and tireless in his efforts to elevate the league. If you should have any disdain for a comish it should be for the meatball that ran the league before him and allowed it to get raided. That guy did literally nothing and probably made more money. With Aresco given the circumstances it was always about the next deal. Now if that is bad I will agree you are right.

You strike me as akin to the Obama backer who was asked "how long should Obama be forgiven for not accomplishing X on the grounds that he inherited a mess from Bush?" and they replied with "8 years". Meaning nothing bad during Obama's entire term should ever properly be called his responsibility or fault. Very convenient eh?

You really aren't disagreeing with me. If I agree with you that Aresco inherited a "train wreck", the conclusion is still the same: We're now in year 6 of the Aresco regime, and it's still the case that the only lucrative contract he has ever signed is his own.

Tireless promoters of the league? So what? What else is he going to do to make it look like he's earning his $1.6 million per year? Talk is cheap, except in our case, we pay $1.6m a year for it.

Short-sighted? How many years do we pay Aresco $1.6m a year before seeing results? You're basically giving an Obama answer - 8 years or somesuch. So Aresco gets paid more than $10m before he has to produce any results - great for him!

You say the commish before was a meatball? I agree, I criticized him, too. BUT, it's disengenuous to say Aresco couldn't have done better with our TV and bowl deals but blame him for the raids. There was nothing anyone ever could have done to prevent the schools that left from leaving. Even with their problems, the ACC and Big 12 were clearly more prestigious and much higher-paying conferences than the Big East was or could have been.

If anything, the only raids that arguably could have been prevented happened under ... Aresco. Boise State and SDSU left us for the MWC despite the fact that, as "unstable" as our situation was, it was clear as a ringing bell that the MWC wasn't going to be paying out any more money than we were going to. All the other raids had our schools leaving for obviously greener pastures, SDSU and Boise leaving wasn't that way, but TheRestGo lost them anyway.

You guys get excited by Aresco's empty gestures like "P6" and constant media yakking. And you hold out hope for big money in 2020. Wake me when either happens. So far, six years in, nothing.

(11-14-2017 10:21 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 07:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 05:35 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 05:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 05:22 PM)TripleA Wrote:  So Quo, serious question. What could Aresco have done differently to get a better deal under the circumstances? What would you have done? What would anybody else we hired have done?

I don't think anything. I don't think Slive or Delany could have done any better, at least not with respect to the big things (I do think Aresco bungled our bowls a bit, e.g., it's silly that with Tulane we don't have the New Orleans bowl).

But that's not been my point: My point is that he's been vastly overpaid. He is paid almost like a P5 commissioner for a job in which his skills, if he has any, are of little or no use, precisely because our value is pretty obvious to everyone and there's not much wiggle room for improvement. If it's true that alleged geniuses like Slive or Delany wouldn't have done any better, it's equally true that the guys running the MAC or C-USA wouldn't have done any worse.

That's been my complaint about Aresco since the git: Not that he's failed to do certain things that could have been done, just that he has been, and continues to be, vastly overpaid for doing things that many others could have done for 1/2 or even 1/3 the price.

And yet, Aresco is hailed around here for ... what? For constantly talking up the conference with stuff like the P6 campaign, that have yet to yield any tangible benefits? Anyone can talk. That's they way it seems and that makes no sense to me.

So stated differently, he should get a huge pay cut. That is your point? That'll attract a high caliber replacement when he eventually has to be replaced.

We could get someone who does just as effective a job for 1/3 what Aresco is paid.

Bottom line is, so far, the only lucrative contract Aresco has ever signed since he's been our commissioner is ... his own. His pay is very good, and IMO way above what his value has been to the conference in terms of return on investment.

Basically, Aresco gets almost as much each year from the AAC as each member school does. That's pretty amazing, and sad.

What?!?
Aresco is getting paid $3million a year!?! That's outrageous!

According to this,
htttp://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-huskies/hc-aac-uconn-money-0527-20170526-story.html
for the 15-16 year, Navy's partial payment was $2.7 and UCF &SMU $3.5 million. Media rights of about $20 million, CFP another $20 million, and other bowls around $5 million adds up. And you kind of have to give Aresco credit for the CFP and bowl money.

Fair point. I meant to refer to the value of the media deal, not the CFP money.

(11-15-2017 07:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 07:39 PM)PT_american Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 07:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 05:35 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 05:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I don't think anything. I don't think Slive or Delany could have done any better, at least not with respect to the big things (I do think Aresco bungled our bowls a bit, e.g., it's silly that with Tulane we don't have the New Orleans bowl).

But that's not been my point: My point is that he's been vastly overpaid. He is paid almost like a P5 commissioner for a job in which his skills, if he has any, are of little or no use, precisely because our value is pretty obvious to everyone and there's not much wiggle room for improvement. If it's true that alleged geniuses like Slive or Delany wouldn't have done any better, it's equally true that the guys running the MAC or C-USA wouldn't have done any worse.

That's been my complaint about Aresco since the git: Not that he's failed to do certain things that could have been done, just that he has been, and continues to be, vastly overpaid for doing things that many others could have done for 1/2 or even 1/3 the price.

And yet, Aresco is hailed around here for ... what? For constantly talking up the conference with stuff like the P6 campaign, that have yet to yield any tangible benefits? Anyone can talk. That's they way it seems and that makes no sense to me.

So stated differently, he should get a huge pay cut. That is your point? That'll attract a high caliber replacement when he eventually has to be replaced.

We could get someone who does just as effective a job for 1/3 what Aresco is paid.

Bottom line is, so far, the only lucrative contract Aresco has ever signed since he's been our commissioner is ... his own. His pay is very good, and IMO way above what his value has been to the conference in terms of return on investment.

Basically, Aresco gets almost as much each year from the AAC as each member school does. That's pretty amazing, and sad.

So shortsighted in what you see. He inherited a train wreck. Now a few years later and the league has developed a lot of brand equity. He is a constant promoter and tireless in his efforts to elevate the league. If you should have any disdain for a comish it should be for the meatball that ran the league before him and allowed it to get raided. That guy did literally nothing and probably made more money. With Aresco given the circumstances it was always about the next deal. Now if that is bad I will agree you are right.

You strike me as akin to the Obama backer who was asked "how long should Obama be forgiven for not accomplishing X on the grounds that he inherited a mess from Bush?" and they replied with "8 years". Meaning nothing bad during Obama's entire term should ever properly be called his responsibility or fault. Very convenient eh?

You really aren't disagreeing with me. If I agree with you that Aresco inherited a "train wreck", the conclusion is still the same: We're now in year 6 of the Aresco regime, and it's still the case that the only lucrative contract he has ever signed is his own.

Tireless promoters of the league? So what? What else is he going to do to make it look like he's earning his $1.6 million per year? Talk is cheap, except in our case, we pay $1.6m a year for it.

Short-sighted? How many years do we pay Aresco $1.6m a year before seeing results? You're basically giving an Obama answer - 8 years or somesuch. So Aresco gets paid more than $10m before he has to produce any results - great for him!

You say the commish before was a meatball? I agree, I criticized him, too. BUT, it's disengenuous to say Aresco couldn't have done better with our TV and bowl deals but blame him for the raids. There was nothing anyone ever could have done to prevent the schools that left from leaving. Even with their problems, the ACC and Big 12 were clearly more prestigious and much higher-paying conferences than the Big East was or could have been.

If anything, the only raids that arguably could have been prevented happened under ... Aresco. Boise State and SDSU left us for the MWC despite the fact that, as "unstable" as our situation was, it was clear as a ringing bell that the MWC wasn't going to be paying out any more money than we were going to. All the other raids had our schools leaving for obviously greener pastures, SDSU and Boise leaving wasn't that way, but TheRestGo lost them anyway.

You guys get excited by Aresco's empty gestures like "P6" and constant media yakking. And you hold out hope for big money in 2020. Wake me when either happens. So far, six years in, nothing.

Didn't vote or care for the former president but not really sure how the two are related.

Like I said he has had the opportunity to negotiate one media deal when the league was a mess. Given the deal was 6 years I am not sure where you are going with what he could have done since them besides promote and talk about the league. The intent was for the league to use that exposure to build brand equity. I think he made the right call on Boise to walk away. Giving them a sweat heart deal would have been bad for the league.

I have said it before on the site I will judge him solely on the next deal. the deal that is based on metrics, brand awareness and overall profile of the league. I do think it is exponentially better today then when he inherited it. I am certain though if he lands a very lucrative deal that you will still hold the same hate and disdain for him. I think he understood what the league needed to do to get a much better deal and has set out to do it. Rome wasn't built in a day my friend. Things do take time. You sound like a millennial that wants everything handed to you for nothing. Here you go your 15 place trophy. enjoy you tried really hard.

(11-14-2017 10:19 PM)mactough Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 11:10 AM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  Plucking the Shockers when he did. Creating the P6 narrative. I mean... is there a better conference commissioner in the nation that does more with less? He's light years beyond what we had in the MVC.

Adding the Shockers to a conference that had been slipping precipitously to the point of near-irrelevancy in basketball has almost instantly bolstered the entire membership in a matter of months. Everybody has been bullish - even the programs that have no reason to be bullish are energized.

Adding a basketball school to a football conference - specifically with the Big East's past - took balls. Creating and successfully implementing the P6 narrative in a world that fiercely defends its branding borders took brains. Aresco is flush with both.

T


...

LOL... Sure he's a baller. He'll get a little mileage from adding WCC this year and then what? Marshall will be bolting at seasons end and five years from now WCC will be just another basketball dreg. Bright side of it is WCC 's payday is only a few hundred grand a year, not even enough to put gas in the bus all season, so at least they won't be a money drain on everyone else.

Creighton fan gonna Creighton fan.

Thanks for taking the time to sign up, take a month to prepare, and carefully fire that doozy.

(11-15-2017 09:59 AM)PT_american Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 07:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 07:39 PM)PT_american Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 07:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 05:35 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  So stated differently, he should get a huge pay cut. That is your point? That'll attract a high caliber replacement when he eventually has to be replaced.

We could get someone who does just as effective a job for 1/3 what Aresco is paid.

Bottom line is, so far, the only lucrative contract Aresco has ever signed since he's been our commissioner is ... his own. His pay is very good, and IMO way above what his value has been to the conference in terms of return on investment.

Basically, Aresco gets almost as much each year from the AAC as each member school does. That's pretty amazing, and sad.

So shortsighted in what you see. He inherited a train wreck. Now a few years later and the league has developed a lot of brand equity. He is a constant promoter and tireless in his efforts to elevate the league. If you should have any disdain for a comish it should be for the meatball that ran the league before him and allowed it to get raided. That guy did literally nothing and probably made more money. With Aresco given the circumstances it was always about the next deal. Now if that is bad I will agree you are right.

You strike me as akin to the Obama backer who was asked "how long should Obama be forgiven for not accomplishing X on the grounds that he inherited a mess from Bush?" and they replied with "8 years". Meaning nothing bad during Obama's entire term should ever properly be called his responsibility or fault. Very convenient eh?

You really aren't disagreeing with me. If I agree with you that Aresco inherited a "train wreck", the conclusion is still the same: We're now in year 6 of the Aresco regime, and it's still the case that the only lucrative contract he has ever signed is his own.

Tireless promoters of the league? So what? What else is he going to do to make it look like he's earning his $1.6 million per year? Talk is cheap, except in our case, we pay $1.6m a year for it.

Short-sighted? How many years do we pay Aresco $1.6m a year before seeing results? You're basically giving an Obama answer - 8 years or somesuch. So Aresco gets paid more than $10m before he has to produce any results - great for him!

You say the commish before was a meatball? I agree, I criticized him, too. BUT, it's disengenuous to say Aresco couldn't have done better with our TV and bowl deals but blame him for the raids. There was nothing anyone ever could have done to prevent the schools that left from leaving. Even with their problems, the ACC and Big 12 were clearly more prestigious and much higher-paying conferences than the Big East was or could have been.

If anything, the only raids that arguably could have been prevented happened under ... Aresco. Boise State and SDSU left us for the MWC despite the fact that, as "unstable" as our situation was, it was clear as a ringing bell that the MWC wasn't going to be paying out any more money than we were going to. All the other raids had our schools leaving for obviously greener pastures, SDSU and Boise leaving wasn't that way, but TheRestGo lost them anyway.

You guys get excited by Aresco's empty gestures like "P6" and constant media yakking. And you hold out hope for big money in 2020. Wake me when either happens. So far, six years in, nothing.

Didn't vote or care for the former president but not really sure how the two are related.

Like I said he has had the opportunity to negotiate one media deal when the league was a mess. Given the deal was 6 years I am not sure where you are going with what he could have done since them besides promote and talk about the league. The intent was for the league to use that exposure to build brand equity. I think he made the right call on Boise to walk away. Giving them a sweat heart deal would have been bad for the league.

I have said it before on the site I will judge him solely on the next deal. the deal that is based on metrics, brand awareness and overall profile of the league. I do think it is exponentially better today then when he inherited it. I am certain though if he lands a very lucrative deal that you will still hold the same hate and disdain for him. I think he understood what the league needed to do to get a much better deal and has set out to do it. Rome wasn't built in a day my friend. Things do take time. You sound like a millennial that wants everything handed to you for nothing. Here you go your 15 place trophy. enjoy you tried really hard.

And to add to the point, which Quo is yet to explain, what exactly is he supposed to be doing while the contract is being executed besides what he is? The media partners are doing exactly what they said according to the terms in the contract. Is he supposed to badmouth them over a crap financial deal the entire time or acknowledge whatever positive exposure the conference has received thus far? I say the latter while pointing to the positive achievements the AAC has. You don't bite the hand that feeds even if it's just crumbs. Relationships are important in life and business. Hopefully it pays off.

(11-14-2017 10:21 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 07:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 05:35 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 05:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 05:22 PM)TripleA Wrote:  So Quo, serious question. What could Aresco have done differently to get a better deal under the circumstances? What would you have done? What would anybody else we hired have done?

I don't think anything. I don't think Slive or Delany could have done any better, at least not with respect to the big things (I do think Aresco bungled our bowls a bit, e.g., it's silly that with Tulane we don't have the New Orleans bowl).

But that's not been my point: My point is that he's been vastly overpaid. He is paid almost like a P5 commissioner for a job in which his skills, if he has any, are of little or no use, precisely because our value is pretty obvious to everyone and there's not much wiggle room for improvement. If it's true that alleged geniuses like Slive or Delany wouldn't have done any better, it's equally true that the guys running the MAC or C-USA wouldn't have done any worse.

That's been my complaint about Aresco since the git: Not that he's failed to do certain things that could have been done, just that he has been, and continues to be, vastly overpaid for doing things that many others could have done for 1/2 or even 1/3 the price.

And yet, Aresco is hailed around here for ... what? For constantly talking up the conference with stuff like the P6 campaign, that have yet to yield any tangible benefits? Anyone can talk. That's they way it seems and that makes no sense to me.

So stated differently, he should get a huge pay cut. That is your point? That'll attract a high caliber replacement when he eventually has to be replaced.

We could get someone who does just as effective a job for 1/3 what Aresco is paid.

Bottom line is, so far, the only lucrative contract Aresco has ever signed since he's been our commissioner is ... his own. His pay is very good, and IMO way above what his value has been to the conference in terms of return on investment.

Basically, Aresco gets almost as much each year from the AAC as each member school does. That's pretty amazing, and sad.

What?!?
Aresco is getting paid $3million a year!?! That's outrageous!

According to this,
htttp://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-huskies/hc-aac-uconn-money-0527-20170526-story.html
for the 15-16 year, Navy's partial payment was $2.7 and UCF &SMU $3.5 million. Media rights of about $20 million, CFP another $20 million, and other bowls around $5 million adds up. And you kind of have to give Aresco credit for the CFP and bowl money.
Those three numbers are WITHOUT exit fees - the three former Big East schools including YOURS are in the $10million range.
So Aresco makes a third of what the LEAST compensated schools get, and 10-15% of what YOUR school gets in AAC revenue distribution.

Nice little sound bite you have there....too bad it isn't in the same ballpark as true

And that's just for football. The rest of us also get NCAAT credits which aren't shabby. And now WSU will help. I think the total annual distribution to each all sport school has been about $6-7M, not counting the exit fee money, IIRC. I'm pretty sure Quo knew that when he threw out that Big 12 # of $30M, which includes all revenue sources.

(11-15-2017 04:27 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 10:21 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 07:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 05:35 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 05:28 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  I don't think anything. I don't think Slive or Delany could have done any better, at least not with respect to the big things (I do think Aresco bungled our bowls a bit, e.g., it's silly that with Tulane we don't have the New Orleans bowl).

But that's not been my point: My point is that he's been vastly overpaid. He is paid almost like a P5 commissioner for a job in which his skills, if he has any, are of little or no use, precisely because our value is pretty obvious to everyone and there's not much wiggle room for improvement. If it's true that alleged geniuses like Slive or Delany wouldn't have done any better, it's equally true that the guys running the MAC or C-USA wouldn't have done any worse.

That's been my complaint about Aresco since the git: Not that he's failed to do certain things that could have been done, just that he has been, and continues to be, vastly overpaid for doing things that many others could have done for 1/2 or even 1/3 the price.

And yet, Aresco is hailed around here for ... what? For constantly talking up the conference with stuff like the P6 campaign, that have yet to yield any tangible benefits? Anyone can talk. That's they way it seems and that makes no sense to me.

So stated differently, he should get a huge pay cut. That is your point? That'll attract a high caliber replacement when he eventually has to be replaced.

We could get someone who does just as effective a job for 1/3 what Aresco is paid.

Bottom line is, so far, the only lucrative contract Aresco has ever signed since he's been our commissioner is ... his own. His pay is very good, and IMO way above what his value has been to the conference in terms of return on investment.

Basically, Aresco gets almost as much each year from the AAC as each member school does. That's pretty amazing, and sad.

What?!?
Aresco is getting paid $3million a year!?! That's outrageous!

According to this,
htttp://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-huskies/hc-aac-uconn-money-0527-20170526-story.html
for the 15-16 year, Navy's partial payment was $2.7 and UCF &SMU $3.5 million. Media rights of about $20 million, CFP another $20 million, and other bowls around $5 million adds up. And you kind of have to give Aresco credit for the CFP and bowl money.
Those three numbers are WITHOUT exit fees - the three former Big East schools including YOURS are in the $10million range.
So Aresco makes a third of what the LEAST compensated schools get, and 10-15% of what YOUR school gets in AAC revenue distribution.

Nice little sound bite you have there....too bad it isn't in the same ballpark as true

And that's just for football. The rest of us also get NCAAT credits which aren't shabby. And now WSU will help. I think the total annual distribution to each all sport school has been about $6-7M, not counting the exit fee money, IIRC. I'm pretty sure Quo knew that when he threw out that Big 12 # of $30M, which includes all revenue sources.

No way we get $3mm/team in credits.

(11-15-2017 11:32 AM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 09:59 AM)PT_american Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 07:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 07:39 PM)PT_american Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 07:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  We could get someone who does just as effective a job for 1/3 what Aresco is paid.

Bottom line is, so far, the only lucrative contract Aresco has ever signed since he's been our commissioner is ... his own. His pay is very good, and IMO way above what his value has been to the conference in terms of return on investment.

Basically, Aresco gets almost as much each year from the AAC as each member school does. That's pretty amazing, and sad.

So shortsighted in what you see. He inherited a train wreck. Now a few years later and the league has developed a lot of brand equity. He is a constant promoter and tireless in his efforts to elevate the league. If you should have any disdain for a comish it should be for the meatball that ran the league before him and allowed it to get raided. That guy did literally nothing and probably made more money. With Aresco given the circumstances it was always about the next deal. Now if that is bad I will agree you are right.

You strike me as akin to the Obama backer who was asked "how long should Obama be forgiven for not accomplishing X on the grounds that he inherited a mess from Bush?" and they replied with "8 years". Meaning nothing bad during Obama's entire term should ever properly be called his responsibility or fault. Very convenient eh?

You really aren't disagreeing with me. If I agree with you that Aresco inherited a "train wreck", the conclusion is still the same: We're now in year 6 of the Aresco regime, and it's still the case that the only lucrative contract he has ever signed is his own.

Tireless promoters of the league? So what? What else is he going to do to make it look like he's earning his $1.6 million per year? Talk is cheap, except in our case, we pay $1.6m a year for it.

Short-sighted? How many years do we pay Aresco $1.6m a year before seeing results? You're basically giving an Obama answer - 8 years or somesuch. So Aresco gets paid more than $10m before he has to produce any results - great for him!

You say the commish before was a meatball? I agree, I criticized him, too. BUT, it's disengenuous to say Aresco couldn't have done better with our TV and bowl deals but blame him for the raids. There was nothing anyone ever could have done to prevent the schools that left from leaving. Even with their problems, the ACC and Big 12 were clearly more prestigious and much higher-paying conferences than the Big East was or could have been.

If anything, the only raids that arguably could have been prevented happened under ... Aresco. Boise State and SDSU left us for the MWC despite the fact that, as "unstable" as our situation was, it was clear as a ringing bell that the MWC wasn't going to be paying out any more money than we were going to. All the other raids had our schools leaving for obviously greener pastures, SDSU and Boise leaving wasn't that way, but TheRestGo lost them anyway.

You guys get excited by Aresco's empty gestures like "P6" and constant media yakking. And you hold out hope for big money in 2020. Wake me when either happens. So far, six years in, nothing.

Didn't vote or care for the former president but not really sure how the two are related.

Like I said he has had the opportunity to negotiate one media deal when the league was a mess. Given the deal was 6 years I am not sure where you are going with what he could have done since them besides promote and talk about the league. The intent was for the league to use that exposure to build brand equity. I think he made the right call on Boise to walk away. Giving them a sweat heart deal would have been bad for the league.

I have said it before on the site I will judge him solely on the next deal. the deal that is based on metrics, brand awareness and overall profile of the league. I do think it is exponentially better today then when he inherited it. I am certain though if he lands a very lucrative deal that you will still hold the same hate and disdain for him. I think he understood what the league needed to do to get a much better deal and has set out to do it. Rome wasn't built in a day my friend. Things do take time. You sound like a millennial that wants everything handed to you for nothing. Here you go your 15 place trophy. enjoy you tried really hard.

And to add to the point, which Quo is yet to explain, what exactly is he supposed to be doing while the contract is being executed besides what he is?

WTF? I explained it in my response to "Triple A" a few posts ago. The answer is .... he's doing fine. The only problem is, he (or if he has better options, someone else) should be doing it for 2/3 less money.

It's like if you own a fast food joint and you have a kid flipping burgers for you but somehow he's making $40 an hour. The problem there isn't how good a job he's doing, he's doing fine. It's just that we could get the same job done for 1/3 of the pay.

(11-15-2017 04:28 PM)wavefan12 Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 04:27 PM)TripleA Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 10:21 PM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 07:27 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 05:35 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  So stated differently, he should get a huge pay cut. That is your point? That'll attract a high caliber replacement when he eventually has to be replaced.

We could get someone who does just as effective a job for 1/3 what Aresco is paid.

Bottom line is, so far, the only lucrative contract Aresco has ever signed since he's been our commissioner is ... his own. His pay is very good, and IMO way above what his value has been to the conference in terms of return on investment.

Basically, Aresco gets almost as much each year from the AAC as each member school does. That's pretty amazing, and sad.

What?!?
Aresco is getting paid $3million a year!?! That's outrageous!

According to this,
htttp://www.courant.com/sports/uconn-huskies/hc-aac-uconn-money-0527-20170526-story.html
for the 15-16 year, Navy's partial payment was $2.7 and UCF &SMU $3.5 million. Media rights of about $20 million, CFP another $20 million, and other bowls around $5 million adds up. And you kind of have to give Aresco credit for the CFP and bowl money.
Those three numbers are WITHOUT exit fees - the three former Big East schools including YOURS are in the $10million range.
So Aresco makes a third of what the LEAST compensated schools get, and 10-15% of what YOUR school gets in AAC revenue distribution.

Nice little sound bite you have there....too bad it isn't in the same ballpark as true

And that's just for football. The rest of us also get NCAAT credits which aren't shabby. And now WSU will help. I think the total annual distribution to each all sport school has been about $6-7M, not counting the exit fee money, IIRC. I'm pretty sure Quo knew that when he threw out that Big 12 # of $30M, which includes all revenue sources.

No way we get $3mm/team in credits.

We get some amount that quo isn't counting. Maybe that $6-7M figure did include exit fees, not sure. I'm more sure of the $6-7M figure.

But I don't give enough of a crap to look it up. Just more Quo looking to put down the AAC.

(11-15-2017 05:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 11:32 AM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 09:59 AM)PT_american Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 07:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-14-2017 07:39 PM)PT_american Wrote:  So shortsighted in what you see. He inherited a train wreck. Now a few years later and the league has developed a lot of brand equity. He is a constant promoter and tireless in his efforts to elevate the league. If you should have any disdain for a comish it should be for the meatball that ran the league before him and allowed it to get raided. That guy did literally nothing and probably made more money. With Aresco given the circumstances it was always about the next deal. Now if that is bad I will agree you are right.

You strike me as akin to the Obama backer who was asked "how long should Obama be forgiven for not accomplishing X on the grounds that he inherited a mess from Bush?" and they replied with "8 years". Meaning nothing bad during Obama's entire term should ever properly be called his responsibility or fault. Very convenient eh?

You really aren't disagreeing with me. If I agree with you that Aresco inherited a "train wreck", the conclusion is still the same: We're now in year 6 of the Aresco regime, and it's still the case that the only lucrative contract he has ever signed is his own.

Tireless promoters of the league? So what? What else is he going to do to make it look like he's earning his $1.6 million per year? Talk is cheap, except in our case, we pay $1.6m a year for it.

Short-sighted? How many years do we pay Aresco $1.6m a year before seeing results? You're basically giving an Obama answer - 8 years or somesuch. So Aresco gets paid more than $10m before he has to produce any results - great for him!

You say the commish before was a meatball? I agree, I criticized him, too. BUT, it's disengenuous to say Aresco couldn't have done better with our TV and bowl deals but blame him for the raids. There was nothing anyone ever could have done to prevent the schools that left from leaving. Even with their problems, the ACC and Big 12 were clearly more prestigious and much higher-paying conferences than the Big East was or could have been.

If anything, the only raids that arguably could have been prevented happened under ... Aresco. Boise State and SDSU left us for the MWC despite the fact that, as "unstable" as our situation was, it was clear as a ringing bell that the MWC wasn't going to be paying out any more money than we were going to. All the other raids had our schools leaving for obviously greener pastures, SDSU and Boise leaving wasn't that way, but TheRestGo lost them anyway.

You guys get excited by Aresco's empty gestures like "P6" and constant media yakking. And you hold out hope for big money in 2020. Wake me when either happens. So far, six years in, nothing.

Didn't vote or care for the former president but not really sure how the two are related.

Like I said he has had the opportunity to negotiate one media deal when the league was a mess. Given the deal was 6 years I am not sure where you are going with what he could have done since them besides promote and talk about the league. The intent was for the league to use that exposure to build brand equity. I think he made the right call on Boise to walk away. Giving them a sweat heart deal would have been bad for the league.

I have said it before on the site I will judge him solely on the next deal. the deal that is based on metrics, brand awareness and overall profile of the league. I do think it is exponentially better today then when he inherited it. I am certain though if he lands a very lucrative deal that you will still hold the same hate and disdain for him. I think he understood what the league needed to do to get a much better deal and has set out to do it. Rome wasn't built in a day my friend. Things do take time. You sound like a millennial that wants everything handed to you for nothing. Here you go your 15 place trophy. enjoy you tried really hard.

And to add to the point, which Quo is yet to explain, what exactly is he supposed to be doing while the contract is being executed besides what he is?

WTF? I explained it in my response to "Triple A" a few posts ago. The answer is .... he's doing fine. The only problem is, he (or if he has better options, someone else) should be doing it for 2/3 less money.

It's like if you own a fast food joint and you have a kid flipping burgers for you but somehow he's making $40 an hour. The problem there isn't how good a job he's doing, he's doing fine. It's just that we could get the same job done for 1/3 of the pay.

Yeah I got that and also asked if his pay should by cut by half to 2/3rds how that attracts a highly qualified replacement candidate once he retires? What message does that send? It wouldn't be good. IMHO he's worth the salary simply based on that. What say you?

(11-15-2017 06:43 PM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 05:58 PM)quo vadis Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 11:32 AM)PuddlePirate Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 09:59 AM)PT_american Wrote:  

(11-15-2017 07:39 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  You strike me as akin to the Obama backer who was asked "how long should Obama be forgiven for not accomplishing X on the grounds that he inherited a mess from Bush?" and they replied with "8 years". Meaning nothing bad during Obama's entire term should ever properly be called his responsibility or fault. Very convenient eh?

You really aren't disagreeing with me. If I agree with you that Aresco inherited a "train wreck", the conclusion is still the same: We're now in year 6 of the Aresco regime, and it's still the case that the only lucrative contract he has ever signed is his own.

Tireless promoters of the league? So what? What else is he going to do to make it look like he's earning his $1.6 million per year? Talk is cheap, except in our case, we pay $1.6m a year for it.

Short-sighted? How many years do we pay Aresco $1.6m a year before seeing results? You're basically giving an Obama answer - 8 years or somesuch. So Aresco gets paid more than $10m before he has to produce any results - great for him!

You say the commish before was a meatball? I agree, I criticized him, too. BUT, it's disengenuous to say Aresco couldn't have done better with our TV and bowl deals but blame him for the raids. There was nothing anyone ever could have done to prevent the schools that left from leaving. Even with their problems, the ACC and Big 12 were clearly more prestigious and much higher-paying conferences than the Big East was or could have been.

If anything, the only raids that arguably could have been prevented happened under ... Aresco. Boise State and SDSU left us for the MWC despite the fact that, as "unstable" as our situation was, it was clear as a ringing bell that the MWC wasn't going to be paying out any more money than we were going to. All the other raids had our schools leaving for obviously greener pastures, SDSU and Boise leaving wasn't that way, but TheRestGo lost them anyway.

You guys get excited by Aresco's empty gestures like "P6" and constant media yakking. And you hold out hope for big money in 2020. Wake me when either happens. So far, six years in, nothing.

Didn't vote or care for the former president but not really sure how the two are related.

Like I said he has had the opportunity to negotiate one media deal when the league was a mess. Given the deal was 6 years I am not sure where you are going with what he could have done since them besides promote and talk about the league. The intent was for the league to use that exposure to build brand equity. I think he made the right call on Boise to walk away. Giving them a sweat heart deal would have been bad for the league.

I have said it before on the site I will judge him solely on the next deal. the deal that is based on metrics, brand awareness and overall profile of the league. I do think it is exponentially better today then when he inherited it. I am certain though if he lands a very lucrative deal that you will still hold the same hate and disdain for him. I think he understood what the league needed to do to get a much better deal and has set out to do it. Rome wasn't built in a day my friend. Things do take time. You sound like a millennial that wants everything handed to you for nothing. Here you go your 15 place trophy. enjoy you tried really hard.

And to add to the point, which Quo is yet to explain, what exactly is he supposed to be doing while the contract is being executed besides what he is?

WTF? I explained it in my response to "Triple A" a few posts ago. The answer is .... he's doing fine. The only problem is, he (or if he has better options, someone else) should be doing it for 2/3 less money.

It's like if you own a fast food joint and you have a kid flipping burgers for you but somehow he's making $40 an hour. The problem there isn't how good a job he's doing, he's doing fine. It's just that we could get the same job done for 1/3 of the pay.

Yeah I got that and also asked if his pay should by cut by half to 2/3rds how that attracts a highly qualified replacement candidate once he retires? What message does that send? It wouldn't be good. IMHO he's worth the salary simply based on that. What say you?

2/3rds is very American.

(11-14-2017 11:13 AM)Pony94 Wrote:  Does he have 20" blades on his Impala?

Presidential V12 with the AMG kit and his wife has a Benz on blocks

Aresco. A boss.




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(11-14-2017 06:23 PM)C0|db|00ded Wrote:  You get what you pay for. Coming from a top mid-major conference and seeing the stark difference in attitude and activity between the two conference commissioners, I'd say the American has a good one. He can't force anybody to pay $10M per team. The best he can do is position the conference in the most favorable light which I think he is doing. It's all about branding and he is currently attempting to rebrand the conference with some success.


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Agree w this. Aresco is doing a great job. The Power6 thing has caught on. Everyone is talking about it. ESPN says it all the time. Tons of articles written about it. Even if it doesn’t get us back in the club (former Big East was a BCS league) it creates the perception we compete w the big boys. Not the smaller leagues.

He will help us w the tv contract bc of his history with TV.