(11-06-2017 09:25 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:38 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:00 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 11:37 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 11:13 AM)smudge12 Wrote:  My best friend's father was an atheist, even on his deathbed from cancer, and refused all forms of religious rites to the very end. He also wanted no religious symbols on his gravestone (buried at Arlington).

He grew up in rural South Dakota, studied Mech. Eng. at School of Mines, was drafted and flew helicopters in the Vietnam War, started various businesses and became self-made, and built his own house (literally designed it, laid the foundation, and built it with his hands)...which his family still enjoys today.

Literally one of the smartest men I ever knew...very close to a second father.

Its just something people say that makes their beliefs feel more justified, I sincerely doubt there is any quantitative data showing this is true. The reality is, most atheists would love nothing more than to believe there is a higher power, and a real cosmic meaning to life. They just see no evidence that is the case, and are intellectually honest enough to admit it instead of just playing along "just in case".

Actually, there is very good evidence suggesting there is a supernatural being.

It comes down to a personal decision: do I or don't I believe.

What evidence would that be?

Jesus is evidence of a loving God.

There is no evidence of a supreme being let alone evidence that the supreme being is in fact the God of the bible. It is ultimately a matter of faith regarding your belief in a supreme being and specifically who that supreme being is.

(11-07-2017 08:00 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 09:33 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 05:34 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 05:25 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 05:23 PM)shere khan Wrote:  8 years of Obama

No doubt about it.

The election of a half black president brought the racists out of from under their rocks.

Couple that with his concerted efforts do divide along racial lines.

Do you think Obama or Trump has done more to explicitly stoke the flames of racism?

For ****'s Sake.... It is't even close. Obama spent 8 years sowing the seeds of racial division. Even CNN admitted that race relations worsened under Obama.


All the left claims Trump has done is say "there were some good people" on both sides of a protest over a Confederate statue.

You can throw in there his Sons of ******* comment about the NFL (black) protesters too. Trust me, I work at an office that is 80 percent black and that off-the-cuff comment of his was very offensive to them.

Personally, I think Trump is sexist (he has a long history of offensive comments to women) but I don't believe he's racist. But then again, I don't think Obama is racist (or sexist).

(11-07-2017 08:22 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 08:00 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 09:33 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 05:34 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 05:25 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  No doubt about it.

The election of a half black president brought the racists out of from under their rocks.

Couple that with his concerted efforts do divide along racial lines.

Do you think Obama or Trump has done more to explicitly stoke the flames of racism?

For ****'s Sake.... It is't even close. Obama spent 8 years sowing the seeds of racial division. Even CNN admitted that race relations worsened under Obama.


All the left claims Trump has done is say "there were some good people" on both sides of a protest over a Confederate statue.

You can throw in there his Sons of ******* comment about the NFL (black) protesters too. Trust me, I work at an office that is 80 percent black and that off-the-cuff comment of his was very offensive to them.

Personally, I think Trump is sexist (he has a long history of offensive comments to women) but I don't believe he's racist. But then again, I don't think Obama is racist (or sexist).

True, forgot about that one though I don't believe there was any racial animosity in his comment about the players.

The fact that Trump has essentially been a public figure for 30 years and there was never any accusations of racism until he became the Republican presidential nominee speaks volumes to me.

(11-07-2017 08:22 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  You can throw in there his Sons of ******* comment about the NFL (black) protesters too. Trust me, I work at an office that is 80 percent black and that off-the-cuff comment of his was very offensive to them.

Do they get offended when the NFL players call each other SOBs and worse during the game?? Just wondering. I work in an office that is 100% white and no one was offended by Trump's SOB comments so I cant really relate to your work setting.

(11-07-2017 08:22 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 08:00 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 09:33 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 05:34 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 05:25 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  No doubt about it.

The election of a half black president brought the racists out of from under their rocks.

Couple that with his concerted efforts do divide along racial lines.

Do you think Obama or Trump has done more to explicitly stoke the flames of racism?

For ****'s Sake.... It is't even close. Obama spent 8 years sowing the seeds of racial division. Even CNN admitted that race relations worsened under Obama.


All the left claims Trump has done is say "there were some good people" on both sides of a protest over a Confederate statue.

You can throw in there his Sons of ******* comment about the NFL (black) protesters too. Trust me, I work at an office that is 80 percent black and that off-the-cuff comment of his was very offensive to them.

Personally, I think Trump is sexist (he has a long history of offensive comments to women) but I don't believe he's racist. But then again, I don't think Obama is racist (or sexist).

Democrats would be offended if he called them athletic or handsome.

Perhaps he could say they are articulate and bright and clean and nice looking....wait that was Joe Biden describing Obama in 2007.

(11-07-2017 09:50 AM)bullet Wrote:  Democrats would be offended if he called them athletic or handsome.

Yep.

I said before that if Trump were to cure cancer the dims would complain that he put oncologists out of work.

(11-07-2017 10:07 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 09:50 AM)bullet Wrote:  Republicans would be offended if he called them athletic or handsome.

Yep.

I said before that if Obama were to cure cancer the TGOP would complain that he put oncologists out of work.

Fixed it for you.. for the last 8 years prior.

(11-07-2017 10:33 AM)Greenroom Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 10:07 AM)Kaplony Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 09:50 AM)bullet Wrote:  Republicans would be offended if he called them athletic or handsome.

Yep.

I said before that if Obama were to cure cancer the TGOP would complain that he put oncologists out of work.

Fixed it for you.. for the last 8 years prior.

No, you just showed how out of touch with reality you are. "Fixed it for you" as practiced on bulletin boards is usually just a way of demonstrating your own stupidity. On rare occasions it can be funny, but its never insightful.

(11-06-2017 09:19 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 05:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 05:10 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 04:55 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 04:54 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  For your safety? Yes.

#beawareofyoursurroundings

These are sad times indeed.

Trust but verify.

It has indeed come to that point. I am very close to arming myself and not trusting anyone anymore

We are no longer the United States.

Oh, all of you f*cking stop with this hyperbolic nonsense. Step outside, and away from the TV. People are people, we're still here doing fine, and the apocalypse hasn't come. We're still safer than we were in the past for christs sake, everyone here needs to stop assuming any news portrays an accurate measurement of actual crime/discord/division.

LOL... I could say the exact same thing for those who think America is the bastion of racism.

(11-07-2017 10:43 AM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 09:19 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 05:12 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 05:10 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 04:55 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  These are sad times indeed.

Trust but verify.

It has indeed come to that point. I am very close to arming myself and not trusting anyone anymore

We are no longer the United States.

Oh, all of you f*cking stop with this hyperbolic nonsense. Step outside, and away from the TV. People are people, we're still here doing fine, and the apocalypse hasn't come. We're still safer than we were in the past for christs sake, everyone here needs to stop assuming any news portrays an accurate measurement of actual crime/discord/division.

LOL... I could say the exact same thing for those who think America is the bastion of racism.

But you didn't. Let's face it. There is a lot of hate in this country. I'm checking out and protecting my own.

Thanks oblunder for failing this country.

(11-07-2017 08:05 AM)miko33 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 09:25 PM)No Bull Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:38 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 01:00 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 11:37 AM)UCF08 Wrote:  Its just something people say that makes their beliefs feel more justified, I sincerely doubt there is any quantitative data showing this is true. The reality is, most atheists would love nothing more than to believe there is a higher power, and a real cosmic meaning to life. They just see no evidence that is the case, and are intellectually honest enough to admit it instead of just playing along "just in case".

Actually, there is very good evidence suggesting there is a supernatural being.

It comes down to a personal decision: do I or don't I believe.

What evidence would that be?

Jesus is evidence of a loving God.

There is no evidence of a supreme being let alone evidence that the supreme being is in fact the God of the bible. It is ultimately a matter of faith regarding your belief in a supreme being and specifically who that supreme being is.

Actually, there is quite a bit of evidence.

(11-07-2017 08:22 AM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 08:00 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 09:33 PM)UCF08 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 05:34 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 05:25 PM)Fitbud Wrote:  No doubt about it.

The election of a half black president brought the racists out of from under their rocks.

Couple that with his concerted efforts do divide along racial lines.

Do you think Obama or Trump has done more to explicitly stoke the flames of racism?

For ****'s Sake.... It is't even close. Obama spent 8 years sowing the seeds of racial division. Even CNN admitted that race relations worsened under Obama.


All the left claims Trump has done is say "there were some good people" on both sides of a protest over a Confederate statue.

You can throw in there his Sons of ******* comment about the NFL (black) protesters too. Trust me, I work at an office that is 80 percent black and that off-the-cuff comment of his was very offensive to them.

Personally, I think Trump is sexist (he has a long history of offensive comments to women) but I don't believe he's racist. But then again, I don't think Obama is racist (or sexist).

I think probably not either, but he sure did use it for political gain. Fact is. neither are, IMO, racist at all.

(11-06-2017 10:58 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 10:48 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  “This was not racially motivated, it wasn’t over religious beliefs,” Freeman Martin, a regional director with the Texas Department of Public Safety, said at a news briefing Monday. “There was a domestic situation going on within the family and the in-laws.”

Just because

Quote: “There was a domestic situation going on within the family and the in-laws.”

Does not preclude the nature of the "situation" being

Quote: "...over religious [and/or political] beliefs,”

Just an observation....

Nor does it preclude that this would have happened...even if we still had organized prayer in the class room and patriotic displays worshipping the flag on a daily basis. Just an observation....

(11-07-2017 12:37 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 10:58 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 10:48 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  “This was not racially motivated, it wasn’t over religious beliefs,” Freeman Martin, a regional director with the Texas Department of Public Safety, said at a news briefing Monday. “There was a domestic situation going on within the family and the in-laws.”

Just because

Quote: “There was a domestic situation going on within the family and the in-laws.”

Does not preclude the nature of the "situation" being

Quote: "...over religious [and/or political] beliefs,”

Just an observation....

Nor does it preclude that this would have happened...even if we still had organized prayer in the class room and patriotic displays worshipping the flag on a daily basis. Just an observation....

No, you're right. And the reason I know you're right is because the Texas Bell tower shooting happened in 1966. But you can not deny that they have gotten WAY more frequent in the last 20 years.

(11-07-2017 01:22 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 12:37 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 10:58 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 10:48 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  “This was not racially motivated, it wasn’t over religious beliefs,” Freeman Martin, a regional director with the Texas Department of Public Safety, said at a news briefing Monday. “There was a domestic situation going on within the family and the in-laws.”

Just because

Quote: “There was a domestic situation going on within the family and the in-laws.”

Does not preclude the nature of the "situation" being

Quote: "...over religious [and/or political] beliefs,”

Just an observation....

Nor does it preclude that this would have happened...even if we still had organized prayer in the class room and patriotic displays worshipping the flag on a daily basis. Just an observation....

No, you're right. And the reason I know you're right is because the Texas Bell tower shooting happened in 1966. But you can not deny that they have gotten WAY more frequent in the last 20 years.

Clearly. Would you also agree that the destructive type of weapons and ways to obtain them have increased in that 20 years as well?

(11-07-2017 01:54 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 01:22 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-07-2017 12:37 PM)Redwingtom Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 10:58 PM)geosnooker2000 Wrote:  

(11-06-2017 10:48 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  “This was not racially motivated, it wasn’t over religious beliefs,” Freeman Martin, a regional director with the Texas Department of Public Safety, said at a news briefing Monday. “There was a domestic situation going on within the family and the in-laws.”

Just because

Quote: “There was a domestic situation going on within the family and the in-laws.”

Does not preclude the nature of the "situation" being

Quote: "...over religious [and/or political] beliefs,”

Just an observation....

Nor does it preclude that this would have happened...even if we still had organized prayer in the class room and patriotic displays worshipping the flag on a daily basis. Just an observation....

No, you're right. And the reason I know you're right is because the Texas Bell tower shooting happened in 1966. But you can not deny that they have gotten WAY more frequent in the last 20 years.

Clearly. Would you also agree that the destructive type of weapons and ways to obtain them have increased in that 20 years as well?

No. What you can buy today, you could buy 30 years ago. I bought what was reported to be used in the Repub. Baseball incident in like 1992 or somewhere around there. I bought it at a gunshow. I guarantee you it would be harder for someone to acquire it today at a gunshow than what I went through. Yes, there are always product advancements. But full-auto gets increasingly harder and harder to get the further we get from 1986. The standard semi-auto technology has been the same for almost 80 years.

If anything, it is far more difficult to get your hands on a weapon today than it was 30 years ago. Legally.