ran our current President's campaign............................. and you guys will still defend this. Insanity.

What many of you Never Trumper's who are now carrying pom poms (looking at you Ever) will have to realize is the Russians helped Trump in the primary. He was given help during the primaries too from a foreign adversary.

A shame really.

Source on the conspiracy charge?

Just google charges against Manafort............. I'm getting a bunch of twitter feeds from newspapers. Don't know how to post those.

Here's a Times article.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/po...icted.html

Interesting seeing that the indictment is still sealed.

Can't open the NYTime article btw... some sort of shopping link.

and I'm just as guilty.................... I was praying for a Trump win. Fanning some flames because I never thought he could win. Who knows what other help he got but I have ZERO confidence in a Republican house investigation.

(10-30-2017 08:23 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  ran our current President's campaign............................. and you guys will still defend this. Insanity.

What many of you Never Trumper's who are now carrying pom poms (looking at you Ever) will have to realize is the Russians helped Trump in the primary. He was given help during the primaries too from a foreign adversary.

A shame really.

I'm going to wait and see what the charges are and when they occurred before I tie it to Trump. He was his campaign manager for 3 months.......not very long.

Lets see what comes to light.

Mach, what I just said pales in comparison to your excusing anything and everything that Hillary has done - keep that in mind.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/po...icted.html

You have to hit continue onto NY Times. It confused me too.

(10-30-2017 08:29 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/po...icted.html

link redirects to this: https://www.viglink.com/shop/merchants

might be a nyt thing


I'm too sketched by stuff like that to click through. I'll go to NYT site later on

Were you able to open it 200?

yeah on that Viglink you have to click go onto NY Times

200 needs to click in the middle of the page where it reads "continue to NY Times"

http://www.foxnews.com/politics/2017/10/...probe.html

Try this one. No shopping links here. LOL

(10-30-2017 08:30 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Were you able to open it 200?

went to nyt.... says likely indicted on money laundering and tax charges.

Quote:“Manafort used his hidden overseas wealth to enjoy a lavish lifestyle in the United States without paying taxes on that income,”

“As part of the scheme, Manafort and Gates repeatedly provided false information to financial bookkeepers, tax accountants and legal counsel, among others,”

Some close to Mr. Manafort, including his former business partner Roger J. Stone Jr., have said he had nothing to offer that would help prosecutors build a case against Mr. Trump.

“He’s not going to lie,” Mr. Stone said in September.

https://www.nytimes.com/2017/10/30/us/po...v=top-news

Doesn't matter which news source you use on this, they're all gonna say the same thing.

Manafort and his associate Gates surrender to FBI. 12 counts (charges).

And nothing in the articles that actually reveals evidence of Russian/Trump collusion.

appears it does include a conspiracy count, but apparently related to tax evasion and money laundering - not immediately related to Trump or the campaign.

(10-30-2017 08:37 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  appears it does include a conspiracy count, but apparently related to tax evasion and money laundering - not immediately related to Trump or the campaign.

Exactly!

But "ERMA GEEEEEERD!!!!!! Time to impeeeeeach!!!!"

(10-30-2017 08:30 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Were you able to open it 200?

Read it. Money laundering and tax evasion. Doesn't appear to be money from Russia....in fact, and correct me if I'm wrong, I don't think the Ukraine and Russia are big buddies. Not sure when Manafort was paid this money.

Says, "Trump fired him amid reports he received millions from a a pro-Russian Ukrainian politician." Sounds like Trump may have figured out Manafort was dirty and got rid of him.

......will see where this goes. No smoking gun pointed at Trump to this point. (Maybe picking a bad person to work with)

(10-30-2017 08:37 AM)200yrs2late Wrote:  appears it does include a conspiracy count, but apparently related to tax evasion and money laundering - not immediately related to Trump or the campaign.

so nothing about the Trump campaign? I could have sworn Mach said otherwise...

(10-30-2017 08:23 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  ran our current President's campaign............................. and you guys will still defend this. Insanity.

What many of you Never Trumper's who are now carrying pom poms (looking at you Ever) will have to realize is the Russians helped Trump in the primary. He was given help during the primaries too from a foreign adversary.

A shame really.

Quote:The indictment is purely focused on alleged financial crimes and does not include any charges related to the broader question that formed the basis of Mueller's investigation – whether Donald Trump's presidential campaign colluded with Russia to swing the 2016 election in his favor.