(10-30-2017 05:33 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 02:06 AM)NoDak Wrote:  UIW has three FBs games scheduled for 2019, New Mexico, North Texas and UTSA.

That is extraordinary for a supposedly FcS school. A WAC schedule could fulfill the transition requirements.

The New Mexico and North Texas games are in 2018. IT's not unheard of for an FCS schools to schedule two body bag games, especially if they're hard up for money.

If Incarnate Word does somehow make it to FBS, they'd be the first Division II school I'm aware of to make that jump. Have any other FCS callups spent any time in Division II?

Boise State was D2 at one time.
Akron
Appalachian State
Ball State
Bowling Green
Fresno State
Central Michigan
Eastern Michigan
Kent State
Miami, Ohio
UNR
Northern Illinois
Ohio
San Diego State
Texas State
Toledo
Troy Gulf South Conference
Liberty

Wow. I've been pantsed by NoDak and DavidSt. That's not good.

(10-30-2017 06:03 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 05:33 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 02:06 AM)NoDak Wrote:  UIW has three FBs games scheduled for 2019, New Mexico, North Texas and UTSA.

That is extraordinary for a supposedly FcS school. A WAC schedule could fulfill the transition requirements.

The New Mexico and North Texas games are in 2018. IT's not unheard of for an FCS schools to schedule two body bag games, especially if they're hard up for money.

If Incarnate Word does somehow make it to FBS, they'd be the first Division II school I'm aware of to make that jump. Have any other FCS callups spent any time in Division II?

Incarnate Word finished their DI transiton in the last calendar year. The NCAA recognizes them now as fully DI.

Yes, I was asking if anyone had EVER gone from Division II to FBS. DavidSt gave a list. So not lately, but it's happened.

Quote:UIW plays Fresno St in 2018 and UNM, UNT, and UTSA in 2019.

Your wrong as usual, but that is nothing new.

The Fresno STate game was THIS year. You can't read. Fresno STate football 2017 wikipedia

The UNT and UNM games are in 2018. REad the link. Or ask someone to read it to you, I suppose. Incarnate Word Future Football Schedules, from Spring 2017

The UTSA game is in 2019. FBSchedules.com, UTSA 2019 FBSchedules.com summary of press release announcing UTSA-UIW game

This is why I dismiss your claims. You misread basic facts, like what years games are happening in, and then make big logical leaps from that misreading to unlikely conclusions.

Like the FBS WAC, which I will again point out didn't happen and wasn't going to happen.

Like the FBS Summit, which I will again point out won't happen.

And FBS Incarnate Word, which won't happen.

(10-30-2017 11:37 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 06:03 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 05:33 AM)johnbragg Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 02:06 AM)NoDak Wrote:  UIW has three FBs games scheduled for 2019, New Mexico, North Texas and UTSA.

That is extraordinary for a supposedly FcS school. A WAC schedule could fulfill the transition requirements.

The New Mexico and North Texas games are in 2018. IT's not unheard of for an FCS schools to schedule two body bag games, especially if they're hard up for money.

If Incarnate Word does somehow make it to FBS, they'd be the first Division II school I'm aware of to make that jump. Have any other FCS callups spent any time in Division II?

Incarnate Word finished their DI transiton in the last calendar year. The NCAA recognizes them now as fully DI.

Yes, I was asking if anyone had EVER gone from Division II to FBS. DavidSt gave a list. So not lately, but it's happened.

Quote:UIW plays Fresno St in 2018 and UNM, UNT, and UTSA in 2019.

Your wrong as usual, but that is nothing new.

The Fresno STate game was THIS year. You can't read. Fresno STate football 2017 wikipedia

The UNT and UNM games are in 2018. REad the link. Or ask someone to read it to you, I suppose. Incarnate Word Future Football Schedules, from Spring 2017

The UTSA game is in 2019. FBSchedules.com, UTSA 2019 FBSchedules.com summary of press release announcing UTSA-UIW game

This is why I dismiss your claims. You misread basic facts, like what years games are happening in, and then make big logical leaps from that misreading to unlikely conclusions.

Like the FBS WAC, which I will again point out didn't happen and wasn't going to happen.

Like the FBS Summit, which I will again point out won't happen.

And FBS Incarnate Word, which won't happen.

Appalachian State
Texas State
and Liberty are recent adds to FBS.

Liberty became DI in the early 90's
Texas State in the 80's
Appalachian State in the early 70's


Landscape of college sports in vastly different. And even if UIW has FBS as a goal, there is nothing in the articles posted that would indicate that this is a serious consideration at this time, or in the near future.

UIW is not moving to FBS (at least not for a long time). Their location in San Antonio is great, but their campus and facilities are not ready for the kind of move.

I attended games at their place. Their stadium holds 6,000 and their basketball gym is supposedly holds 2,000 but its not great.



FCS is probably their best bet for the long haul. The get to play D1 schools in all of their other sports and their really don't have to invest in to better facilities.

(10-30-2017 01:25 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  UIW is not moving to FBS (at least not for a long time). Their location in San Antonio is great, but their campus and facilities are not ready for the kind of move.

I attended games at their place. Their stadium holds 6,000 and their basketball gym is supposedly holds 2,000 but its not great.



FCS is probably their best bet for the long haul. The get to play D1 schools in all of their other sports and their really don't have to invest in to better facilities.

Another school in San Antonio is gunning for FBS. Texas A&M-San Antonio
Three D1 FBS schools in San Antonio may not be good. Maybe IWU wants to get there first before the third school moves up.

(10-30-2017 01:41 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 01:25 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  UIW is not moving to FBS (at least not for a long time). Their location in San Antonio is great, but their campus and facilities are not ready for the kind of move.

I attended games at their place. Their stadium holds 6,000 and their basketball gym is supposedly holds 2,000 but its not great.



FCS is probably their best bet for the long haul. The get to play D1 schools in all of their other sports and their really don't have to invest in to better facilities.

Another school in San Antonio is gunning for FBS. Texas A&M-San Antonio
Three D1 FBS schools in San Antonio may not be good. Maybe IWU wants to get there first before the third school moves up.

Shouldn't they gun to have an intercollegiate athletic department before they gun for Division 1 football, and then FBS football?

Even if they started intercollegiate athletics in time for 2018-19 (which they can't at this point), they'd have to spend something like seven years in Division 2 before they'd be eligible to move to D-1, then another five years transitioning before becoming full-fledged members. Even if they were allowed to start their FBS transition while they were transitioning to D-1, it'd be at least 10 years before they could make the move. And that's the absolute shortest turnaround. In reality, going from a non-existent athletic program to an FBS one would take a hell of a lot longer.

(10-30-2017 02:00 PM)Cyniclone Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 01:41 PM)DavidSt Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 01:25 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  UIW is not moving to FBS (at least not for a long time). Their location in San Antonio is great, but their campus and facilities are not ready for the kind of move.

I attended games at their place. Their stadium holds 6,000 and their basketball gym is supposedly holds 2,000 but its not great.



FCS is probably their best bet for the long haul. The get to play D1 schools in all of their other sports and their really don't have to invest in to better facilities.

Another school in San Antonio is gunning for FBS. Texas A&M-San Antonio
Three D1 FBS schools in San Antonio may not be good. Maybe IWU wants to get there first before the third school moves up.

Shouldn't they gun to have an intercollegiate athletic department before they gun for Division 1 football, and then FBS football?

Even if they started intercollegiate athletics in time for 2018-19 (which they can't at this point), they'd have to spend something like seven years in Division 2 before they'd be eligible to move to D-1, then another five years transitioning before becoming full-fledged members. Even if they were allowed to start their FBS transition while they were transitioning to D-1, it'd be at least 10 years before they could make the move. And that's the absolute shortest turnaround. In reality, going from a non-existent athletic program to an FBS one would take a hell of a lot longer.

Please don't insert reality into DavidSt's posts

(10-29-2017 11:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  There has been rumors about Incarnate Word upgrading to FBS, but here it is in print. Tom Benson has been it's sugar daddy.

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/colleg...314416.php

Have long stated the WAC was going into Texas, and this seems like confirmation. The Sun Belt isnt taking UIW.

WAC FBS
NMSU
UTRGv
Incarnate Word
Sam Houston St
Lamar
SF Austin
MO st - fb only
Wichita St

The western WAC remains without fb.

UIW can't even win in FCS and they drew 4,999 to their home game this past weekend. UIW is a long ways from FBS.

(10-30-2017 02:23 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 11:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  There has been rumors about Incarnate Word upgrading to FBS, but here it is in print. Tom Benson has been it's sugar daddy.

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/colleg...314416.php

Have long stated the WAC was going into Texas, and this seems like confirmation. The Sun Belt isnt taking UIW.

WAC FBS
NMSU
UTRGv
Incarnate Word
Sam Houston St
Lamar
SF Austin
MO st - fb only
Wichita St

The western WAC remains without fb.

Maybe this will more fit your tastes.

WAC FBS
NMSU
UTRGV
Incarnate Word
Sam Houston St
Lamar
Mo St
Wichita St
Jax St
Kennesaw St
E Kentucky

The Belt rejected NMSU, so it wwould only natural for NMSU to group together programs that wanted in the Belt but were rejected.

Mo St and Wichita St need FBS as part of what I perceive as their non-public strategic plans.

(10-30-2017 01:00 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 12:39 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 11:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  There has been rumors about Incarnate Word upgrading to FBS, but here it is in print. Tom Benson has been it's sugar daddy.

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/colleg...314416.php

Have long stated the WAC was going into Texas, and this seems like confirmation. The Sun Belt isnt taking UIW.

WAC FBS
NMSU
UTRGv
Incarnate Word
Sam Houston St
Lamar
SF Austin
MO st - fb only
Wichita St

The western WAC remains without fb.

Why not have Idaho FB only or as a full sport member if this were to happen?

Because Idaho, the Montanas, and EWU are joining to Summit to save it and making it fBS.

Somehow, I knew this was where this would end up, the Great Northern Conference strikes again.


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Just remember you have until 4 21 18 to see this to fruition, your predicted date.


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(10-30-2017 03:19 PM)Jjoey52 Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 01:00 AM)NoDak Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 12:39 AM)Lopes87 Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 11:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  There has been rumors about Incarnate Word upgrading to FBS, but here it is in print. Tom Benson has been it's sugar daddy.

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/colleg...314416.php

Have long stated the WAC was going into Texas, and this seems like confirmation. The Sun Belt isnt taking UIW.

WAC FBS
NMSU
UTRGv
Incarnate Word
Sam Houston St
Lamar
SF Austin
MO st - fb only
Wichita St

The western WAC remains without fb.

Why not have Idaho FB only or as a full sport member if this were to happen?

Because Idaho, the Montanas, and EWU are joining to Summit to save it and making it fBS.

Somehow, I knew this was where this would end up, the Great Northern Conference strikes again.


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And all the low budget Big sky fans, maybe 3 or 4, shriek in pain. It's coming no matter how much bellyaching and name calling goes on here.

G5 fans all seem to wand more FCS to FBs moves banned. That's totally un-American.

(10-30-2017 02:37 PM)NoDak Wrote:  

(10-30-2017 02:23 PM)panama Wrote:  

(10-29-2017 11:40 PM)NoDak Wrote:  There has been rumors about Incarnate Word upgrading to FBS, but here it is in print. Tom Benson has been it's sugar daddy.

http://www.expressnews.com/sports/colleg...314416.php

Have long stated the WAC was going into Texas, and this seems like confirmation. The Sun Belt isnt taking UIW.

WAC FBS
NMSU
UTRGv
Incarnate Word
Sam Houston St
Lamar
SF Austin
MO st - fb only
Wichita St

The western WAC remains without fb.

Maybe this will more fit your tastes.

WAC FBS
NMSU
UTRGV
Incarnate Word
Sam Houston St
Lamar
Mo St
Wichita St
Jax St
Kennesaw St
E Kentucky

The Belt rejected NMSU, so it wwould only natural for NMSU to group together programs that wanted in the Belt but were rejected.

Mo St and Wichita St need FBS as part of what I perceive as their non-public strategic plans.

I might throw West Texas A&M in with the group. They were FBS at one point, and already have ties with FBS schools from the past.

I might throw UCA, McNeese State and in the future, WAC would need a Colorado school. I would groom Colorado Mesa or Colorado State-Pueblo to move up to D1.

Azusa Pacific might go FBS one day. They are not that far down the road to the Rose Bowl if they need to play in a big venue while they figure out how to get an FBS stadium ready.

WAC is the only place for western schools to go D1 right now that do have football. UC-San Diego and UC State-East Bay are looking at football. A Big West football league could form if any of the other schools in Big West decides to add football.

Which conferences do have credit in all sports at D1 that are defunct or have been dropped down? I know RMAC and Lone Star were considered major conferences at the beginning when ACC, AAC, C-USA, MAC, MWC, WAC and others formed. Those two are older than any of the FBS conferences that we have today.

With the many football schools in the Lone Star have been looking to move up? Would the whole Lone Star Conference move up as a whole? Some of their stadiums are larger than some of the Southland schools. They do get more crowds than several FBS schools as is. Texas is the hot bed for football players, and with all the schools with football? They might get teams to help out. New Mexico State could play Eastern New Mexico, Western New Mexico, West Texas A&M, UTPB and Angelo State. Those schools could fill in the map where the blank spaces in west Texas being empty.

How about no WAC football. Only NMSU sponsors the sport, and at FBS level. At this point having Baseball, Soccer and a SoCal location are the primary and ONLY considerations for WAC entry. The 7 non-football schools are not going to add football schools. And NMSU doesn't give a crap because if they are FBS and don't want FCS schools either.

Asuza Pacific, not Incarnate Word will be the school sometime around 2020

(10-30-2017 02:28 PM)DoubleRSU Wrote:  UIW can't even win in FCS and they drew 4,999 to their home game this past weekend. UIW is a long ways from FBS.

To be fair, winning in FBS has little to do with whether or not it is viable. In turn, there are plenty of FCS schools that aren't viable FBS candidates that win big, such as NDSU.

That said UIW is not going to be in FBS any time soon as you noted. They fit the Southland like a glove.

(10-30-2017 01:25 PM)chrisattsu Wrote:  UIW is not moving to FBS (at least not for a long time). Their location in San Antonio is great, but their campus and facilities are not ready for the kind of move.

I attended games at their place. Their stadium holds 6,000 and their basketball gym is supposedly holds 2,000 but its not great.



FCS is probably their best bet for the long haul. The get to play D1 schools in all of their other sports and their really don't have to invest in to better facilities.

I agree however they have money. Also, Alamo Stadium could be used in a pinch (23k) and is very close to campus. UIW is making huge strides. As you said it is located in a great part of town.... I lived about 1/2 mile north of the stadium in Alamo Heights for about 5 years.

They would have to reduce some sports teams to help. Truthfully I don't see them ever drawing more than 7-10k to a game.