Quote:Trump dossier funded by Clinton campaign, DNC

THE LEAD STORY: A controversial dossier containing salacious allegations about President Donald Trump and his possible connections to Russia was funded by Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee, a source confirmed to Fox News ... Fusion GPS, the firm behind the dossier, was retained in April 2016 by Marc E. Elias, an attorney representing the DNC and the Clinton campaign, the Washington Post reported. The firm then reportedly hired former British intelligence officer Christopher Steele to write the infamous dossier. Steele had ties both to the U.S. intelligence community and the FBI. Prior to the firm being retained by Elias and his law firm, Perkins Coie, Fusion GPS’s research had been subsidized by an unidentified Republican during the GOP primary. However the Clinton campaign and the DNC saw the research through, funding the firm through the end of October 2016, just days before Trump defeated Clinton in the general election.

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/10/25/fox...probe.html

Again I say....

obtaining evidence of Trump colluding (or being beholden to) the Russians is more important to the right than actually colluding with the Russians.......................


and you think this is somehow going to help your cause?????????????????

I'm very perplexed with that sentiment...............

Fox news.
Russians

Friends, do not make this personal.

(10-25-2017 09:46 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  obtaining evidence of Trump colluding (or being beholden to) the Russians is more important to the right than actually colluding with the Russians.......................

Without evidence of Trump colluding with Russians, you do not have collusion with the Russians.

(10-25-2017 07:53 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  I know things have been cross checked with foreign intelligence agencies. I am not aware of anything that has been proven incorrect. I google it and nothing came back. Why do so many of you say the wildly discredited Steele Dossier? What has been discredited?

Been a tough run for you, lil camper.

(10-25-2017 09:47 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Friends, do not make this personal.

I'm pretty sure everyone would recognize it for what it was... satire. Even more so, since it was a parody of South Park which was broadcast on national TV. Sometimes the only way a person will get the point is when it's exaggerated to the point that they can't ignore it.
Especially when they are living in the 'it hasn't been disproven so it must be true' delusion. The only way you can get a person like that to realize how wrong that logic is... is to make it personal so they see how impossible it is to disprove something... and how lack of evidence disproving something does not equate to that thing being true.

Preventing someone from having that realization is just holding them back from intellectual growth.

So a Russian on Hillary's payroll tells a British spy on Hillary's payroll that Trump likes to buy prostitutes that piss on him and the burden of proof is on us?

(10-25-2017 10:09 AM)q5sys Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 09:47 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Friends, do not make this personal.

I'm pretty sure everyone would recognize it for what it was... satire. Sometimes the only way a person will get the point is when it's exaggerated to the point that they can't ignore it.

Sometimes those subjects put out there as "satire" might hit home too closely for someone the satire wasn't even intended for. Sad reality in our world.

I thought nearly everything Mach posts was satire. I'm serious.

(10-25-2017 10:13 AM)rath v2.0 Wrote:  I thought nearly everything Mach posts was satire. I'm serious.

Mach lives in a world where everything he posts is true and real. Well, up to 90% of it. That's the number he gave us earlier today. Then claimed he intellectually arm wrestles and destroys us, or something to that effect.

(10-25-2017 08:31 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  But I have linked articles that have shown parts of it to have been verified. Your arguments would make sense if nothing has not been verified.

Again in the name of olive branches I am going to try my very best to keep this above board. (Even after the nice touch of child molesting and all)

Parts have been verified through foreign intelligence services. Nothing and I mean nothing that I have read has been disproven. If so please show me any evidence of that claim.

from a friend....

stick with the facts as they are provided and don't fall for all of the bs, put the keyboard down, take a deep breath, and go fishing (literally)

this world is chock full of intentionally misinformed cretins in the msm....that applies to both sides of the aisle...

I would walk into my parents or former in-laws and immediately laugh stating, "this shite on the boob tube is going to drive you guys bat-shite crazy.....how 'bout simply enjoying life outdoors and drink a beer on the deck."

in my limited experiences over 52.4 yrs, I've learned most cannot handle open and honest criticism....and as many have mentioned, politics and religion is off limits among friends....

however, this is THAT board that allows one to opine in a semi-civil manner.....

the purge in washtub has begun.....if you can't handle it, then simply bow out.......none of us would think less of you

I know you have a sense of humor......hell, run with that one......

fwiw, that's what I mostly do....

#olivebranch

(10-25-2017 08:20 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  BuffaloTN is one who deserves the brunt of my sarcasm. Just read that. He’s on the list.

You aren't right in the head man. Seek help. Seriously.

(10-25-2017 10:24 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 08:31 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  But I have linked articles that have shown parts of it to have been verified. Your arguments would make sense if nothing has not been verified.

Again in the name of olive branches I am going to try my very best to keep this above board. (Even after the nice touch of child molesting and all)

Parts have been verified through foreign intelligence services. Nothing and I mean nothing that I have read has been disproven. If so please show me any evidence of that claim.

from a friend....

stick with the facts as they are provided and don't fall for all of the bs, put the keyboard down, take a deep breath, and go fishing (literally)

this world is chock full of intentionally misinformed cretins in the msm....that applies to both sides of the aisle...

I would walk into my parents or former in-laws and immediately laugh stating, "this shite on the boob tube is going to drive you guys bat-shite crazy.....how 'bout simply enjoying life outdoors and drink a beer on the deck."

in my limited experiences over 52.4 yrs, I've learned most cannot handle open and honest criticism....and as many have mentioned, politics and religion is off limits among friends....

however, this is THAT board that allows one to opine in a semi-civil manner.....

the purge in washtub has begun.....if you can't handle it, then simply bow out.......none of us would think less of you

I know you have a sense of humor......hell, run with that one......

fwiw, that's what I mostly do....

#olivebranch

or a #weedbranch

(10-25-2017 10:12 AM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 10:09 AM)q5sys Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 09:47 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Friends, do not make this personal.

I'm pretty sure everyone would recognize it for what it was... satire. Sometimes the only way a person will get the point is when it's exaggerated to the point that they can't ignore it.

Sometimes those subjects put out there as "satire" might hit home too closely for someone the satire wasn't even intended for. Sad reality in our world.

Valid point. But how else can you reach a person, if they aren't faced with the reality of how illogical their stance is? I can sympathize with not triggering a bystander, greater good and all. But if we're talking about the greater good... when does the damage by the person who wont see reason cause more of an issue than potentially upsetting a bystander?

Your house = Your rules. I'm just trying to figure out what the ROE are, so I can make sure i don't break them.

(10-25-2017 10:26 AM)UTSAMarineVet09 Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 10:24 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 08:31 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  But I have linked articles that have shown parts of it to have been verified. Your arguments would make sense if nothing has not been verified.

Again in the name of olive branches I am going to try my very best to keep this above board. (Even after the nice touch of child molesting and all)

Parts have been verified through foreign intelligence services. Nothing and I mean nothing that I have read has been disproven. If so please show me any evidence of that claim.

from a friend....

stick with the facts as they are provided and don't fall for all of the bs, put the keyboard down, take a deep breath, and go fishing (literally)

this world is chock full of intentionally misinformed cretins in the msm....that applies to both sides of the aisle...

I would walk into my parents or former in-laws and immediately laugh stating, "this shite on the boob tube is going to drive you guys bat-shite crazy.....how 'bout simply enjoying life outdoors and drink a beer on the deck."

in my limited experiences over 52.4 yrs, I've learned most cannot handle open and honest criticism....and as many have mentioned, politics and religion is off limits among friends....

however, this is THAT board that allows one to opine in a semi-civil manner.....

the purge in washtub has begun.....if you can't handle it, then simply bow out.......none of us would think less of you

I know you have a sense of humor......hell, run with that one......

fwiw, that's what I mostly do....

#olivebranch

or a #weedbranch

(10-25-2017 10:32 AM)q5sys Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 10:12 AM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 10:09 AM)q5sys Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 09:47 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Friends, do not make this personal.

I'm pretty sure everyone would recognize it for what it was... satire. Sometimes the only way a person will get the point is when it's exaggerated to the point that they can't ignore it.

Sometimes those subjects put out there as "satire" might hit home too closely for someone the satire wasn't even intended for. Sad reality in our world.

Valid point. But how else can you reach a person, if they aren't faced with the reality of how illogical their stance is? I can sympathize with not triggering a bystander, greater good and all. But if we're talking about the greater good... when does the damage by the person who wont see reason cause more of an issue than potentially upsetting a bystander?

Your house = Your rules. I'm just trying to figure out what the ROE are, so I can make sure i don't break them.

this is the continual challenge we all face....

Just like this misleading headline on the front of yahoo...

"Trump dossier revelations emerge"

That would lead you to believe something "new" has been found to prove part of the dossier. They do this for 2 reasons and both serve the purpose they want.

1. clicks
2. make idiots believe something has been proven knowing a large % of people only read the headline.

When you click on the link......you get the below

Hillary Clinton's presidential campaign and the Democratic National Committee helped fund political research into President Donald Trump that ultimately produced a dossier of allegations about his ties to Russia, a person familiar with the matter said Tuesday night.

(10-25-2017 10:32 AM)q5sys Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 10:12 AM)CoastGuardHawk06 Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 10:09 AM)q5sys Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 09:47 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Friends, do not make this personal.

I'm pretty sure everyone would recognize it for what it was... satire. Sometimes the only way a person will get the point is when it's exaggerated to the point that they can't ignore it.

Sometimes those subjects put out there as "satire" might hit home too closely for someone the satire wasn't even intended for. Sad reality in our world.

Valid point. But how else can you reach a person, if they aren't faced with the reality of how illogical their stance is? I can sympathize with not triggering a bystander, greater good and all. But if we're talking about the greater good... when does the damage by the person who wont see reason cause more of an issue than potentially upsetting a bystander?

Your house = Your rules. I'm just trying to figure out what the ROE are, so I can make sure i don't break them.

I don't moderate this board. I'm simply a poster here.

(10-25-2017 08:18 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-25-2017 08:02 AM)Lord Stanley Wrote:  Since when is it the responsibility of the accused to prove a negative? If this dossier is true, then it is up to your team to prove it, not the other way around.

None of them are even claiming it is true. Not even McCain. Not even the Clintons.

Not even Stewart smally or Steele himself endorses this thing.

Only two left are apparently MUH J3st3r, who apparently “knows his schit”... lulz and of course, our very own Mach.

What discredits this thing is the collusion between the Russian/Ukraine “sources” for this stuff, none of them confirmed, and the H> campaign and LSDNC.

Where and when was Trump working with the Russians again?

Oh never? But MUH COLLUSION!!!

Hahaha