(10-02-2017 06:34 PM)Potomac Wrote:  Remember that even Mickey was offered the South Alabama job in 2008 and briefly took it for a few hours but his family talked him down from it.
I think Houston isn’t going to jump at the first trash offer that comes his way (Texas State).

I dont think Houston is going to use another school as a bargaining chip for more money like Mickey did. I dont think he needs to.

As for Tennessee, beset by mediocrity (at least in UT terms) for a little while, I believe they will make a splash, close-to-cant-miss hire. I just dont think Houston is the right fit there.

The trickle down effect is what I think could grab us with respect to Houston. Someone leaving a G5 job for a P5 job. Or leaving a smaller P5 for a larger P5.

I look at the success Dave Clawson is beginning to have at Wake Forest - he could be ripe for the picking. And Houston would be as close-to-perfect a hire for Wake as you can get.

(10-02-2017 08:02 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  Carolina is stupid if they fire Fedora. Lost a ton of talent and has a crapload of injuries. Best coach they've had since Mack Brown.

Agreed, UNC would be dumb to get rid of Fedora. The administration knows they've got a good coach in place, so he's safe. UNC football fans on the other hand... well, let's just say they should stick to talking about basketball.

The biggest thing about Fedora is that he's seemingly looking for the next step. The scuttlebutt the past couple offseasons is that he's thrown his name in the hat for jobs like LSU & Texas. He's a guy with an eye on something bigger. But in the meantime, he's recruiting well, they just cycled down a little quicker than expected with Trubisky leaving early and the rash of injuries they've sustained this year.

Quote:NC State is dumb if they fire Doeren. That's a pretty good football team and he has them on the rise. He's also stuck in a hell of a division with Clemson, FSU, and Louisville. But this Pack team is pretty damn good too.

Again, agreed. Doeren's issue may end up being that this is NC State's peak. They have lots of upperclassmen and they probably haven't recruited at a high enough level to sustain success. They're also benefitting from FSU's injury problems this year, which will be an aberration in a couple years time.

(10-03-2017 07:51 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 07:36 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 07:17 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 06:34 PM)Potomac Wrote:  Remember that even Mickey was offered the South Alabama job in 2008 and briefly took it for a few hours but his family talked him down from it.
I think Houston isn’t going to jump at the first trash offer that comes his way (Texas State).

In his last 3 years at NDSU, Craig Bohl was 43-2 with 3 NC’s. His overall record there was 104-32 with only 1 losing season.

At Wyoming, he has two losing seasons in 3 years with a 17-26 record.

This reminds me a bit of what happened with Rip Scherer who had great success here but struggled in Memphis and is now a TE coach at UCLA.

Smart coaches know the school you go to can determine your career trajectory. I don’t think Houston will jump into a bad situation, but he will also get some attractive offers eventually.

It seems like you're saying that Craig Bohl made a poor choice in moving to Wyoming, but I think you're cherry-picking stats to try and reinforce your narrative.

Craig Bohl is rebuilding the Wyoming program, so of course his record isn't going to look great through 3 full seasons. His first two seasons were 4-8 and 2-10, but you completely glossed over the fact that Wyoming went 8-4 in the regular season last year, co-won the MWC Mountain Division (which is the better of the two and includes Boise State, New Mexico, Air Force, and Colorado State, who all had conference records above .500) and went to the conference title game. Yes, they finished 8-6 in the end, but that's a marked improvement on the first two seasons of his tenure there.

By most accounts, Bohl is delivering on expectations in Year 4, so I'm not sure why you painted his time in Wyoming as less than stellar.

I agree that Bohl going to Wyoming was not a bad choice. As well I believe MH going to ECU would not be a bad choice. Neither are great choices but not bad ones either. If either of these two were to choose a place like Texas State, GA State, LA Monroe, Eastern Michigan, those would be a bad choices for these two men. They both have great futures ahead of them. Those teams are meant for coaches like EW who have no intentions of unpacking.

Bohl is also 59 (56 when he took the job). I know enough Wyoming fans to believe they're aware of their ceiling, which is contending for the conference championship on a semi-regular basis, but I think they also realize how relatively little success the program has had historically and understood that building to that level would take time. I suspect Bohl thought he'd beaten programs like that recruiting from the Plains and the Upper Midwest and West, and if he did the same thing in Laramie he could be there for a while.

Houston is 46. He's got a long career ahead of him still if he executes it correctly.

(10-03-2017 07:36 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  By most accounts, Bohl is delivering on expectations in Year 4, so I'm not sure why you painted his time in Wyoming as less than stellar.

Some Wyoming fans aren’t currently happy with the way this year is going, and feel he will end up like prior Coach Joe Glenn.

Glenn won an NC at Montana, went to Wyoming, went to a Bowl game in year 2, and was ultimately fired after 6 seasons with a 30-41 record.

Bohl may succeed there, but it’s far from certain, and his record there (17-26) is nothing close to what it was at NDSU. Wyoming is historically a tough place to maintain success.

(10-03-2017 10:04 AM)QuinDuke Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 07:51 AM)BleedingPurple Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 07:36 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 07:17 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 06:34 PM)Potomac Wrote:  Remember that even Mickey was offered the South Alabama job in 2008 and briefly took it for a few hours but his family talked him down from it.
I think Houston isn’t going to jump at the first trash offer that comes his way (Texas State).

In his last 3 years at NDSU, Craig Bohl was 43-2 with 3 NC’s. His overall record there was 104-32 with only 1 losing season.

At Wyoming, he has two losing seasons in 3 years with a 17-26 record.

This reminds me a bit of what happened with Rip Scherer who had great success here but struggled in Memphis and is now a TE coach at UCLA.

Smart coaches know the school you go to can determine your career trajectory. I don’t think Houston will jump into a bad situation, but he will also get some attractive offers eventually.

It seems like you're saying that Craig Bohl made a poor choice in moving to Wyoming, but I think you're cherry-picking stats to try and reinforce your narrative.

Craig Bohl is rebuilding the Wyoming program, so of course his record isn't going to look great through 3 full seasons. His first two seasons were 4-8 and 2-10, but you completely glossed over the fact that Wyoming went 8-4 in the regular season last year, co-won the MWC Mountain Division (which is the better of the two and includes Boise State, New Mexico, Air Force, and Colorado State, who all had conference records above .500) and went to the conference title game. Yes, they finished 8-6 in the end, but that's a marked improvement on the first two seasons of his tenure there.

By most accounts, Bohl is delivering on expectations in Year 4, so I'm not sure why you painted his time in Wyoming as less than stellar.

I agree that Bohl going to Wyoming was not a bad choice. As well I believe MH going to ECU would not be a bad choice. Neither are great choices but not bad ones either. If either of these two were to choose a place like Texas State, GA State, LA Monroe, Eastern Michigan, those would be a bad choices for these two men. They both have great futures ahead of them. Those teams are meant for coaches like EW who have no intentions of unpacking.

Bohl is also 59 (56 when he took the job). I know enough Wyoming fans to believe they're aware of their ceiling, which is contending for the conference championship on a semi-regular basis, but I think they also realize how relatively little success the program has had historically and understood that building to that level would take time. I suspect Bohl thought he'd beaten programs like that recruiting from the Plains and the Upper Midwest and West, and if he did the same thing in Laramie he could be there for a while.

Houston is 46. He's got a long career ahead of him still if he executes it correctly.

Bohl also cited his love for the state of Wyoming when he took the job.

Can't say I blame him.

(10-03-2017 10:39 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 07:36 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  By most accounts, Bohl is delivering on expectations in Year 4, so I'm not sure why you painted his time in Wyoming as less than stellar.

Some Wyoming fans aren’t currently happy with the way this year is going, and feel he will end up like prior Coach Joe Glenn.

Glenn won an NC at Montana, went to Wyoming, went to a Bowl game in year 2, and was ultimately fired after 6 seasons with a 30-41 record.

Bohl may ultimately succeed there, but it’s far from certain, and his record there (17-26) is nothing close to what it was at NDSU. Wyoming is historically a tough place to maintain success.

Wyoming fans are mad that they've lost to Iowa & Oregon? I understand they weren't all that competitive, but I'm struggling to see what's so wrong with those outcomes from their perspective. Maybe the Hawaii win was a little too close for comfort, but they still came out with the W. Then they blew out Texas State, like they should have. Not sure what Bohl is supposed to do to make fans happy in that scenario.

(10-03-2017 10:48 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 10:39 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 07:36 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  By most accounts, Bohl is delivering on expectations in Year 4, so I'm not sure why you painted his time in Wyoming as less than stellar.

Some Wyoming fans aren’t currently happy with the way this year is going, and feel he will end up like prior Coach Joe Glenn.

Glenn won an NC at Montana, went to Wyoming, went to a Bowl game in year 2, and was ultimately fired after 6 seasons with a 30-41 record.

Bohl may ultimately succeed there, but it’s far from certain, and his record there (17-26) is nothing close to what it was at NDSU. Wyoming is historically a tough place to maintain success.

Wyoming fans are mad that they've lost to Iowa & Oregon? I understand they weren't all that competitive, but I'm struggling to see what's so wrong with those outcomes from their perspective. Maybe the Hawaii win was a little too close for comfort, but they still came out with the W. Then they blew out Texas State, like they should have. Not sure what Bohl is supposed to do to make fans happy in that scenario.

Wyoming also fired prior coach Christensen after 5 seasons that included 2 winning years with Bowl game appearances. He ended with a 27-35 record. They seem to have high expectations, and I believe it's tough for any coach to find long term success there. It's hard to get above .500 there. Over 120 seasons, they have averaged a .481 record. Over the last 20 years, it looks closer to .400

My real point is, sometime great coaches can't succeed in bad circumstances. Wyoming seems like it may be one of those places.

Didn't feel like starting a new thread - anyone know why HCMH was wearing a Hawaiian shirt at the top of the fan and press luncheon, I missed the first 10 minutes.

(10-03-2017 11:27 AM)JMUrcc06 Wrote:  Didn't feel like starting a new thread - anyone know why HCMH was wearing a Hawaiian shirt at the top of the fan and press luncheon, I missed the first 10 minutes.

Homage to a group of fans/accounting professors who gave him the shirt.

(10-03-2017 10:39 AM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(10-03-2017 07:36 AM)H.U.S.T.L.E. Wrote:  By most accounts, Bohl is delivering on expectations in Year 4, so I'm not sure why you painted his time in Wyoming as less than stellar.

Some Wyoming fans aren’t currently happy with the way this year is going, and feel he will end up like prior Coach Joe Glenn.

Glenn won an NC at Montana, went to Wyoming, went to a Bowl game in year 2, and was ultimately fired after 6 seasons with a 30-41 record.

Bohl may succeed there, but it’s far from certain, and his record there (17-26) is nothing close to what it was at NDSU. Wyoming is historically a tough place to maintain success.

Craig Bohl is one of the best coaches in college football, at any level. If he can't succeed at Wyoming, then I hate to break it to you Cowboys fans, no one will.

It's not a coincidence he won three consecutive national championships at NDSU. The man can coach.

(10-03-2017 11:27 AM)JMUrcc06 Wrote:  Didn't feel like starting a new thread - anyone know why HCMH was wearing a Hawaiian shirt at the top of the fan and press luncheon, I missed the first 10 minutes.

Gift from JMU accounting professors who are big JMU fans attending lots of games. They always wear Hawaiian shirts when tailgating and attending games, gave it to him a while ago.

Yes I know those professors - they root hard! Also they are great at their jobs and great ambassadors for the CoB and JMU as a whole

A good tie in w bye week too - next weekend blows without JMU football

With NC State starting 5-1, I think they’ll lay off their coach this season. Do you agree 71?

(10-02-2017 08:43 PM)JMU_71 Wrote:  

(10-02-2017 08:02 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  But this Pack team is pretty damn good too.

I hope you’re right. We’ll find out Thursday.



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They aren't perfect but that's a damn good football team. I was able to go last night. Fun atmosphere. I knew their offense was good but that D is pretty solid too.

If they can beat Pitt and ND they have a shot to host gameday Nov. 4th against Clemson.

(10-06-2017 05:20 PM)JMUDuke25 Wrote:  If they can beat Pitt and ND they have a shot to host gameday Nov. 4th against Clemson.

I hope the Pack can finish this year what they should have finished at Clemson a season ago.

(10-06-2017 05:48 AM)Potomac Wrote:  With NC State starting 5-1, I think they’ll lay off their coach this season. Do you agree 71?

VERY happy to admit being wrong on this one (i realize you weren’t talking to me). i picked NC State waaay back last year (and was probably mocked at the time for predicting FCS —> P5, but i honestly don’t remember) as the job i’m most concerned Houston would take. i still stand by my prediction that he will stay at JMU for at least 3 seasons, for a few reasons.


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(10-06-2017 09:01 PM)Jay M. Youix Wrote:  

(10-06-2017 05:48 AM)Potomac Wrote:  With NC State starting 5-1, I think they’ll lay off their coach this season. Do you agree 71?

VERY happy to admit being wrong on this one (i realize you weren’t talking to me). i picked NC State waaay back last year (and was probably mocked at the time for predicting FCS —> P5, but i honestly don’t remember) as the job i’m most concerned Houston would take. i still stand by my prediction that he will stay at JMU for at least 3 seasons, for a few reasons.


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I think so as well, but that's simply a gut feeling. However, I believe his next move is to a G5 who's got a good program in place. What I fear is coaches following him from JMU. He knows what has been put together will be difficult to assemble again.

(10-06-2017 09:01 PM)Jay M. Youix Wrote:  

(10-06-2017 05:48 AM)Potomac Wrote:  With NC State starting 5-1, I think they’ll lay off their coach this season. Do you agree 71?

VERY happy to admit being wrong on this one (i realize you weren’t talking to me). i picked NC State waaay back last year (and was probably mocked at the time for predicting FCS —> P5, but i honestly don’t remember) as the job i’m most concerned Houston would take. i still stand by my prediction that he will stay at JMU for at least 3 seasons, for a few reasons.


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I think so as well, but that's simply a gut feeling. However, I believe his next move is to a G5 who's got a good program in place. What I fear is coaches following him from JMU. He knows what has been put together will be difficult to assemble again.

(10-06-2017 09:01 PM)Jay M. Youix Wrote:  

(10-06-2017 05:48 AM)Potomac Wrote:  With NC State starting 5-1, I think they’ll lay off their coach this season. Do you agree 71?

VERY happy to admit being wrong on this one (i realize you weren’t talking to me). i picked NC State waaay back last year (and was probably mocked at the time for predicting FCS —> P5, but i honestly don’t remember) as the job i’m most concerned Houston would take. i still stand by my prediction that he will stay at JMU for at least 3 seasons, for a few reasons.


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I think so as well, but that's simply a gut feeling. However, I believe his next move is to a G5 who's got a good program in place. What I fear is coaches following him from JMU. He knows what has been put together will be difficult to assemble again.