(10-01-2017 11:03 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 10:47 AM)pesik Wrote:  arizona is 2-2 and barely lost to top25 utah...not saying arizona is good but stop acting like they are chop liver

and tcu would beat usf if the game was played early in the season...sjsu was up 16-0 on usf..usf has struggled and needed bounce back..bouncing back from sjsu and tcu are different things

we played temple away..and houston offense isnt built to score a lot by design but win the time of possession battle..applewhite has said countless time teams who throw the ball too much and have high scores dont win championships.. note houston was up 20-0 on temple before ed oliver and dillon birden were both pulled for minor injuries on simple precaution..and we just played scared to secure our lead and run clock and leave with our win

tech is 3-1 and lost to top 15 ok state on a last minute drive..and tech lost its best rceiver mid game ..that Illinois comparison is absurd..illinois barely beat a bunch of bad teams this comment is innaccurate...

smu "but has played one good team in TCU" ark state will finish top 3 in the sunbelt, if not win it and unt just upset usm in a blowout...both will end up 7/8 win teams..stop acting like they were pure trash..and smu blew them out

memphis has played a way harder schedule than usf...if memphis had played usf schedule youd be saying that its hard to put usf and memphis in the same circle...usf struggled with bad teams early. we have no clue what theyll look like vs good teams

navy is undefeated and a proven historical track record, it doesnt matter who they played..we know what navy can do..we have no clue if either ucf or usf can keep it up the whole season. we are basing ucf dominance off Maryland and memphis who was 7-5 last year and lost something like 5 defensive starters to injury

I love when arguments bring up injuries, as if players never get hurt. Injuries are part of the game and can happen to anyone. You play with the players you have. If your backups are good enough, great, if not so be it.

I also, love how posters in one thread trash "G4" yet in other threads pretend that they are not. Which is it? Is a "G4" team that comes in 3rd or wins the Sun Belt better then the entire middle or bottom of the AAC or not?

Temple lost to 3 teams with a combined record of 12 and 2. Maybe if they didn't played those tough teams they'd be 5 and 0 also. Who believes that?

You have to beat the teams on your schedule, nothing short of that. Houston and Memphis have losses. USF, UCF, and Navy don't. See my point?

first g4 doesnt mean ur worst is better than their good, i have explained this a million times every time g4 poster come in here bragging about beating our bad teams

really think about your comment...did houston beating arizona devalue the pac 12??? all becuase illinois is p5 does that mean they are supposed to beat usf?? stop puting ridiculous notions on the p6.. all becuase we claim p6 doesnt mean we think our bottom teams will beat their better teams.

smu blowing out ark state is impressive..similar to how Illinois upsetting usf would hae been impressive for them

your temple comment is foolish. you barely beat bad teams and didnt put up a fight vs usf or ND... your temple comment are meaningless and add little worth to the convo

but your point is dumb as you downgraded navy...."beat teams on your schedule" but also u "undefeated navy not in the same convo as ucf and usf" ..what is it? make up your mind..

i also dont believe in "beat teams on your schedule" in regards to OOC, you schedule your ooc.. i didnt think marshall was anything special at 10-0 a few years back neither did the committee who didnt rank them..you have to put value into strength of schedule or whats the point of scheduling hard...we could all schedule bottom mac teams say were undefeated if that was all it takes

(10-01-2017 11:04 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 10:44 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 10:27 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 10:15 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 09:24 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  You mean those same "National" polls that had FSU ranked 2nd? Ok. I'm not sour against USF, the fact is they have played the weakest schedule in the conference. Houston, SMU, Navy, Memphis and probably others would be undefeated if they had played USF's powderpuff schedule. USF's schedule is hurting their perception, it's that simple, no rationalization needed. That being said:

1) UCF
2) USF
3) Navy
4) Memphis
5) SMU
6) Houston
7) Tulane
8) Temple
9) Cincy
10) ECU
11) Tulsa
12) UCONN

The FSU correction has been made and is past and still may have a decent season by the end considering the superior talent they recruit. Apparently you like living in the past. You are also blinded by the facts.

Lets look at Houston for example. They have played one team with a winning record in Texas Tech. Had they beat Texas Tech, they wouldn't have a winning record. Houston and USF have one common opponent in Temple. Temple was in the Houston game until the end but was completely overpowered and blown out by USF. Like Houston, USF played a similar (slightly less it can be argued) team to Texas Tech in Illinois. Had Illinois won, they'd be 3 and 1, like Texas Tech is now, instead of 2 and 2.

SMU is a good team but has played one good team in TCU and lost badly, giving up 51 points. That 51 points is more then half the total points USF has giving up. How can a team with that kind of defense be mentioned in the same breath as USF when they failed so miserably against TCU? Would USF beat TCU? Who knows, but they certainly couldn't do any worse.

Navy has played a worse schedule then USF, not one power team on their schedule, 3 lower AAC teams and a G4 team.

Memphis best defensive effort came against La Monroe, giving up 29 points, while giving up 31 to an FCS foe, and just got blown out by UCF. Hard to mention them in the same sentence as USF either.

The only AAC team, up to this point worthy of mentioning with USF is UCF. All the others do not have great resumes.

Check yourself.
Massey Composite has Navy's opponents 96,73,80,95
USFs opponents 122, 85, 84, 112 for FBS, and let's give you Sagarin's137 for your FCS. Your P5 is below 2 of our 3 AAC wins you deride, just as are your conference wins.
Average opponent ranking Navy 86, USF 108

Any rating system is a work in progress at this time of year making it crazy to use as gospel. Some teams have played as little as 3 games while other have played 5. Assuming both those teams are undefeated, the team that played 3 games played only 60% of the team that played 5 games. The team that played 4 games only played 80% of the games. This type of disparity makes the system useless at this time of year.

Further, the team that played more distributed more losses to the Massey system then the team that played less. Once you get to 11 or 12 games, then the Massey system may make more sense. Then if a team played 1 or 2 less games, the percentage difference is much smaller then 60% or 80%.

In week 5, Massey is apples and oranges statistically.

You don't math much, do you?
I was using the COMPOSITE rankings which Massey compiles on his site. An appropriate response to that is that I'm flawed to use the composite on Sunday morning when it is only compiling 14 different rankings; it will be better value later in the week.
As far as 4-5 games being a smaller sample than 12 games, well duh. But the results to date are the sample we have.

Given that, I challenge you to find ANY SoS calculation that has USFs SoS better than Navy's.
You will have better luck finding a data driven ranking that has Illinois higher than Tulane and Cincy,but its a mixed bag.

Some of those ratings systems use data from the previous year to determine early year ratings, since several of the rating systems are looking for trends as predictive models. Using previous year data is one way with helping determine trends. How else would they be able to predict games with such a small sample of data? The smaller the sample, the less accurate they are.

So yes, they are not terribly accurate this early in the year. That said, while USF hasn't gone through murders row in schedule, neither has Navy, using the data you provided. It's hard to imagine why USF would beat the very same teams on Navy's schedule.

(10-01-2017 11:19 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 11:04 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 10:44 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 10:27 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 10:15 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  The FSU correction has been made and is past and still may have a decent season by the end considering the superior talent they recruit. Apparently you like living in the past. You are also blinded by the facts.

Lets look at Houston for example. They have played one team with a winning record in Texas Tech. Had they beat Texas Tech, they wouldn't have a winning record. Houston and USF have one common opponent in Temple. Temple was in the Houston game until the end but was completely overpowered and blown out by USF. Like Houston, USF played a similar (slightly less it can be argued) team to Texas Tech in Illinois. Had Illinois won, they'd be 3 and 1, like Texas Tech is now, instead of 2 and 2.

SMU is a good team but has played one good team in TCU and lost badly, giving up 51 points. That 51 points is more then half the total points USF has giving up. How can a team with that kind of defense be mentioned in the same breath as USF when they failed so miserably against TCU? Would USF beat TCU? Who knows, but they certainly couldn't do any worse.

Navy has played a worse schedule then USF, not one power team on their schedule, 3 lower AAC teams and a G4 team.

Memphis best defensive effort came against La Monroe, giving up 29 points, while giving up 31 to an FCS foe, and just got blown out by UCF. Hard to mention them in the same sentence as USF either.

The only AAC team, up to this point worthy of mentioning with USF is UCF. All the others do not have great resumes.

Check yourself.
Massey Composite has Navy's opponents 96,73,80,95
USFs opponents 122, 85, 84, 112 for FBS, and let's give you Sagarin's137 for your FCS. Your P5 is below 2 of our 3 AAC wins you deride, just as are your conference wins.
Average opponent ranking Navy 86, USF 108

Any rating system is a work in progress at this time of year making it crazy to use as gospel. Some teams have played as little as 3 games while other have played 5. Assuming both those teams are undefeated, the team that played 3 games played only 60% of the team that played 5 games. The team that played 4 games only played 80% of the games. This type of disparity makes the system useless at this time of year.

Further, the team that played more distributed more losses to the Massey system then the team that played less. Once you get to 11 or 12 games, then the Massey system may make more sense. Then if a team played 1 or 2 less games, the percentage difference is much smaller then 60% or 80%.

In week 5, Massey is apples and oranges statistically.

You don't math much, do you?
I was using the COMPOSITE rankings which Massey compiles on his site. An appropriate response to that is that I'm flawed to use the composite on Sunday morning when it is only compiling 14 different rankings; it will be better value later in the week.
As far as 4-5 games being a smaller sample than 12 games, well duh. But the results to date are the sample we have.

Given that, I challenge you to find ANY SoS calculation that has USFs SoS better than Navy's.
You will have better luck finding a data driven ranking that has Illinois higher than Tulane and Cincy,but its a mixed bag.

Some of those ratings systems use data from the previous year to determine early year ratings, since several of the rating systems are looking for trends as predictive models. Using previous year data is one way with helping determine trends. How else would they be able to predict games with such a small sample of data? The smaller the sample, the less accurate they are.

So yes, they are not terribly accurate this early in the year. That said, while USF hasn't gone through murders row in schedule, neither has Navy, using the data you provided. It's hard to imagine why USF would beat the very same teams on Navy's schedule.

Only time will tell

(10-01-2017 11:17 AM)pesik Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 11:03 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 10:47 AM)pesik Wrote:  arizona is 2-2 and barely lost to top25 utah...not saying arizona is good but stop acting like they are chop liver

and tcu would beat usf if the game was played early in the season...sjsu was up 16-0 on usf..usf has struggled and needed bounce back..bouncing back from sjsu and tcu are different things

we played temple away..and houston offense isnt built to score a lot by design but win the time of possession battle..applewhite has said countless time teams who throw the ball too much and have high scores dont win championships.. note houston was up 20-0 on temple before ed oliver and dillon birden were both pulled for minor injuries on simple precaution..and we just played scared to secure our lead and run clock and leave with our win

tech is 3-1 and lost to top 15 ok state on a last minute drive..and tech lost its best rceiver mid game ..that Illinois comparison is absurd..illinois barely beat a bunch of bad teams this comment is innaccurate...

smu "but has played one good team in TCU" ark state will finish top 3 in the sunbelt, if not win it and unt just upset usm in a blowout...both will end up 7/8 win teams..stop acting like they were pure trash..and smu blew them out

memphis has played a way harder schedule than usf...if memphis had played usf schedule youd be saying that its hard to put usf and memphis in the same circle...usf struggled with bad teams early. we have no clue what theyll look like vs good teams

navy is undefeated and a proven historical track record, it doesnt matter who they played..we know what navy can do..we have no clue if either ucf or usf can keep it up the whole season. we are basing ucf dominance off Maryland and memphis who was 7-5 last year and lost something like 5 defensive starters to injury

I love when arguments bring up injuries, as if players never get hurt. Injuries are part of the game and can happen to anyone. You play with the players you have. If your backups are good enough, great, if not so be it.

I also, love how posters in one thread trash "G4" yet in other threads pretend that they are not. Which is it? Is a "G4" team that comes in 3rd or wins the Sun Belt better then the entire middle or bottom of the AAC or not?

Temple lost to 3 teams with a combined record of 12 and 2. Maybe if they didn't played those tough teams they'd be 5 and 0 also. Who believes that?

You have to beat the teams on your schedule, nothing short of that. Houston and Memphis have losses. USF, UCF, and Navy don't. See my point?

first g4 doesnt mean ur worst is better than their good, i have explained this a million times every time g4 poster come in here bragging about beating our bad teams

really think about your comment...did houston beating arizona devalue the pac 12??? all becuase illinois is p5 does that mean they are supposed to beat usf?? stop puting ridiculous notions on the p6.. all becuase we claim p6 doesnt mean we think our bottom teams will beat their better teams.

smu blowing out ark state is impressive..similar to how Illinois upsetting usf would hae been impressive for them

your temple comment is foolish. you barely beat bad teams and didnt put up a fight vs usf or ND... your temple comment are meaningless and add little worth to the convo

but your point is dumb as you downgraded navy...."beat teams on your schedule" but also u "undefeated navy not in the same convo as ucf and usf" ..what is it? make up your mind..

i also dont believe in "beat teams on your schedule" in regards to OOC, you schedule your ooc.. i didnt think marshall was anything special at 10-0 a few years back neither did the committee who didnt rank them..you have to put value into strength of schedule or whats the point of scheduling hard...we could all schedule bottom mac teams say were undefeated if that was all it takes

The Temple comments were said tongue in cheek. But at least they do schedule tough OOC. You keep bringing up Arizona as if they are some perennial power. They were 3 and 9 last year and very well might finish with the same record this year. Scheduling 3 and 9 Arizona is better then scheduling Illinois?

USF is +124 points for/points against this year, and that is after a slow start. Navy is +45, grinding out win after win. Houston is +42.

Sadly, Navy goes through two very different stretches where going undefeated during those stretches will be very difficult. One of the stretches, the meet UCF and Memphis. The other stretch the meet SMU, ND, and Houston back to back to back. If they come out of that schedule undefeated, they they are the best team in the conference.

I'm more confident about the Navy game than I was. It's clear that our defense is extremely good at stopping the run and we have animals on DLine and in the LB corps. Navy will score but they won't keep up with the UCF offense.

Today the part of TodgeRodge will be played by Pesik...

(10-01-2017 11:19 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 11:04 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 10:44 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 10:27 AM)slhNavy91 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 10:15 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  The FSU correction has been made and is past and still may have a decent season by the end considering the superior talent they recruit. Apparently you like living in the past. You are also blinded by the facts.

Lets look at Houston for example. They have played one team with a winning record in Texas Tech. Had they beat Texas Tech, they wouldn't have a winning record. Houston and USF have one common opponent in Temple. Temple was in the Houston game until the end but was completely overpowered and blown out by USF. Like Houston, USF played a similar (slightly less it can be argued) team to Texas Tech in Illinois. Had Illinois won, they'd be 3 and 1, like Texas Tech is now, instead of 2 and 2.

SMU is a good team but has played one good team in TCU and lost badly, giving up 51 points. That 51 points is more then half the total points USF has giving up. How can a team with that kind of defense be mentioned in the same breath as USF when they failed so miserably against TCU? Would USF beat TCU? Who knows, but they certainly couldn't do any worse.

Navy has played a worse schedule then USF, not one power team on their schedule, 3 lower AAC teams and a G4 team.

Memphis best defensive effort came against La Monroe, giving up 29 points, while giving up 31 to an FCS foe, and just got blown out by UCF. Hard to mention them in the same sentence as USF either.

The only AAC team, up to this point worthy of mentioning with USF is UCF. All the others do not have great resumes.

Check yourself.
Massey Composite has Navy's opponents 96,73,80,95
USFs opponents 122, 85, 84, 112 for FBS, and let's give you Sagarin's137 for your FCS. Your P5 is below 2 of our 3 AAC wins you deride, just as are your conference wins.
Average opponent ranking Navy 86, USF 108

Any rating system is a work in progress at this time of year making it crazy to use as gospel. Some teams have played as little as 3 games while other have played 5. Assuming both those teams are undefeated, the team that played 3 games played only 60% of the team that played 5 games. The team that played 4 games only played 80% of the games. This type of disparity makes the system useless at this time of year.

Further, the team that played more distributed more losses to the Massey system then the team that played less. Once you get to 11 or 12 games, then the Massey system may make more sense. Then if a team played 1 or 2 less games, the percentage difference is much smaller then 60% or 80%.

In week 5, Massey is apples and oranges statistically.

You don't math much, do you?
I was using the COMPOSITE rankings which Massey compiles on his site. An appropriate response to that is that I'm flawed to use the composite on Sunday morning when it is only compiling 14 different rankings; it will be better value later in the week.
As far as 4-5 games being a smaller sample than 12 games, well duh. But the results to date are the sample we have.

Given that, I challenge you to find ANY SoS calculation that has USFs SoS better than Navy's.
You will have better luck finding a data driven ranking that has Illinois higher than Tulane and Cincy,but its a mixed bag.

Some of those ratings systems use data from the previous year to determine early year ratings, since several of the rating systems are looking for trends as predictive models. Using previous year data is one way with helping determine trends. How else would they be able to predict games with such a small sample of data? The smaller the sample, the less accurate they are.

So yes, they are not terribly accurate this early in the year. That said, while USF hasn't gone through murders row in schedule, neither has Navy, using the data you provided. It's hard to imagine why USF would beat the very same teams on Navy's schedule.

We agree that rankings are less valuable now than after the full schedule's data is in.
As far as preseason rankings/projections being included, that can be overstated. Sagarin used to declare in header info when preseason was included and when all the teams were connected and preseason factors were removed; I have not seen that this year but it usually switched around week five or six. Another example, Bill Connelly's S&P+ he is very transparent: with 5games played, preseason is35% of calculation.

Back to the major discussion point though - you slammed Navy's schedule, but I offered ample evidence it is stronger than USFs. From another angle, multiple predictors say Navy would be 5-0 against the schedule USF has played.

There are any number of reasons one might rank USF ahead of Navy. Relative SoS is not a valid one.

1. UCF
2. Memphis
3. Houston
4. USF
5. Navy
6. SMU

(10-01-2017 10:15 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 09:24 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 08:50 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 08:43 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 08:38 AM)CyberBull Wrote:  At the end if the year this will be decided on the field. Until then USF is the highest ranked AAC team.

Not USF's fault Wisconsin bailed at the last minute.

Considering USF is implementing brand new schemes on both sides of the ball, this is going to be a dangerous team down the stretch and will be in the Top10 by Black Friday.

This is an AAC fan poll and most seem to agree that USF does not look like the best team in this conference.

Any poll that has at least one voter ranking an undefeated, in two national polls, team 5th is not a poll anyone should look at seriously. Several other "voters" have the same team below second. How can anyone justify that? The other true reason could be "sour grapes".

You mean those same "National" polls that had FSU ranked 2nd? Ok. I'm not sour against USF, the fact is they have played the weakest schedule in the conference. Houston, SMU, Navy, Memphis and probably others would be undefeated if they had played USF's powderpuff schedule. USF's schedule is hurting their perception, it's that simple, no rationalization needed. That being said:

1) UCF
2) USF
3) Navy
4) Memphis
5) SMU
6) Houston
7) Tulane
8) Temple
9) Cincy
10) ECU
11) Tulsa
12) UCONN

The FSU correction has been made and is past and still may have a decent season by the end considering the superior talent they recruit. Apparently you like living in the past. You are also blinded by the facts.

Lets look at Houston for example. They have played one team with a winning record in Texas Tech. Had they beat Texas Tech, they wouldn't have a winning record. Houston and USF have one common opponent in Temple. Temple was in the Houston game until the end but was completely overpowered and blown out by USF. Like Houston, USF played a similar (slightly less it can be argued) team to Texas Tech in Illinois. Had Illinois won, they'd be 3 and 1, like Texas Tech is now, instead of 2 and 2.

SMU is a good team but has played one good team in TCU and lost badly, giving up 51 points. That 51 points is more then half the total points USF has giving up. How can a team with that kind of defense be mentioned in the same breath as USF when they failed so miserably against TCU? Would USF beat TCU? Who knows, but they certainly couldn't do any worse.

Navy has played a worse schedule then USF, not one power team on their schedule, 3 lower AAC teams and a G4 team.

Memphis best defensive effort came against La Monroe, giving up 29 points, while giving up 31 to an FCS foe, and just got blown out by UCF. Hard to mention them in the same sentence as USF either.

The only AAC team, up to this point worthy of mentioning with USF is UCF. All the others do not have great resumes.

Dude, I'm not "blinded" by any facts. The same people who compiled these polls you used to support your proposition were wildly wrong about other teams contained in the same polls. Whether they corrected it or not is immaterial. At best your argument is that when USF plays someone, anyone with a pulse these same pollsters will correct their polls again. Living in the past? Strange coming from a fellow who quotes nothing but from the past to support his argument. When does the past correlate to the present? When you say so? I look to the this season as a whole, including the fact that the only reason USF was ranked in the pre-season was because of their performance "last" year. Are you suggesting the pollsters that you use to support your opinion are living in the past as well, and if so it makes your personal comments superfluous. Which team(s) of the ones I suggested do you believe would lose if they had USF's schedule to date, and who would they lose to? Which team(s) of the ones I mentioned do you believe have had a weaker schedule than USF, and what empirical data do you believe support your opinion (Massey composite etc...)? Just because USF took a pathetic Temple team behind the woodshed and thrashed them doesn't mean they have had a tough schedule. Lastly, please see the rankings that I posted after I stated the "fact" that USF has the weakest schedule in the conference.

(10-01-2017 12:15 PM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 10:15 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 09:24 AM)NestaKnight1 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 08:50 AM)sfink16 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 08:43 AM)The Knight Time Wrote:  This is an AAC fan poll and most seem to agree that USF does not look like the best team in this conference.

Any poll that has at least one voter ranking an undefeated, in two national polls, team 5th is not a poll anyone should look at seriously. Several other "voters" have the same team below second. How can anyone justify that? The other true reason could be "sour grapes".

You mean those same "National" polls that had FSU ranked 2nd? Ok. I'm not sour against USF, the fact is they have played the weakest schedule in the conference. Houston, SMU, Navy, Memphis and probably others would be undefeated if they had played USF's powderpuff schedule. USF's schedule is hurting their perception, it's that simple, no rationalization needed. That being said:

1) UCF
2) USF
3) Navy
4) Memphis
5) SMU
6) Houston
7) Tulane
8) Temple
9) Cincy
10) ECU
11) Tulsa
12) UCONN

The FSU correction has been made and is past and still may have a decent season by the end considering the superior talent they recruit. Apparently you like living in the past. You are also blinded by the facts.

Lets look at Houston for example. They have played one team with a winning record in Texas Tech. Had they beat Texas Tech, they wouldn't have a winning record. Houston and USF have one common opponent in Temple. Temple was in the Houston game until the end but was completely overpowered and blown out by USF. Like Houston, USF played a similar (slightly less it can be argued) team to Texas Tech in Illinois. Had Illinois won, they'd be 3 and 1, like Texas Tech is now, instead of 2 and 2.

SMU is a good team but has played one good team in TCU and lost badly, giving up 51 points. That 51 points is more then half the total points USF has giving up. How can a team with that kind of defense be mentioned in the same breath as USF when they failed so miserably against TCU? Would USF beat TCU? Who knows, but they certainly couldn't do any worse.

Navy has played a worse schedule then USF, not one power team on their schedule, 3 lower AAC teams and a G4 team.

Memphis best defensive effort came against La Monroe, giving up 29 points, while giving up 31 to an FCS foe, and just got blown out by UCF. Hard to mention them in the same sentence as USF either.

The only AAC team, up to this point worthy of mentioning with USF is UCF. All the others do not have great resumes.

Dude, I'm not "blinded" by any facts. The same people who compiled these polls you used to support your proposition were wildly wrong about other teams contained in the same polls. Whether they corrected it or not is immaterial. At best your argument is that when USF plays someone, anyone with a pulse these same pollsters will correct their polls again. Living in the past? Strange coming from a fellow who quotes nothing but from the past to support his argument. When does the past correlate to the present? When you say so? I look to the this season as a whole, including the fact that the only reason USF was ranked in the pre-season was because of their performance "last" year. Are you suggesting the pollsters that you use to support your opinion are living in the past as well, and if so it makes your personal comments superfluous. Which team(s) of the ones I suggested do you believe would lose if they had USF's schedule to date, and who would they lose to? Which team(s) of the ones I mentioned do you believe have had a weaker schedule than USF, and what empirical data do you believe support your opinion (Massey composite etc...)? Just because USF took a pathetic Temple team behind the woodshed and thrashed them doesn't mean they have had a tough schedule. Lastly, please see the rankings that I posted after I stated the "fact" that USF has the weakest schedule in the conference.

It's all opinion, that's what Rank'em is. It's an eye test. The only two teams that pass the eye test IMO, is USF and UCF. Early in the year USF did not pass the eye test. But this is a week 5 Rank'em and things have changed.

As for teams, Memphis doesn't play defense. Houston is good but not equal to USF or UCF IMO. Navy beat a bad Tulane team by 2 points. USF plays Tulane in a few weeks, at Tulane. Tell you what, I'll give you 6 points and Tulane. Who would take that bet?

1.. USF
2. UCF
3. Navy
4. SMU
5. Memphis
6. Houston
7. Temple
8. Tulane
9. Cincinnati
10. Tulsa
11. ECU
12. UConn

(10-01-2017 11:47 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Today the part of TodgeRodge will be played by Pesik...

What's he doing?

USF gaudy record will only be validated after playing a team with some kind of pulse. Houston will be their first real test

UCF... Blasted good Memphis

USF... Have to beat someone of note
Navy... Hard to stop

Houston... Can win defensive games
Memphis... Best league win over UCLA
SMU... Creeping towards the top

Temple... Tough SOS
Tulsa... Played defense for 2 weeks, kinda?
Tulane... I cant see them beating anyone in other 3 tiers above

ECU... Can play well for 2 quarters
UC... Bayyyd
UConn... Ver ver baaayyyd

USF - On top until someone takes you down.

UCF - On a roll
SMU - Good young talent
Memphis - Because I wanted to put them in front of Houston
Temple - See Memphis
Houston - Because I finally had to rank them
Navy - Nothing but respect! Tough and Disciplined
Tulane - I sure hope we can go to a bowl. We have a shot.
Tulsa - Higher ceiling than Tulane and Navy, but making too many mistakes
UC - will get better, I believe in your coaching staff
UCONN - Hang in there
ECU - Bad hire

(10-01-2017 01:46 PM)M1T4 Wrote:  

(10-01-2017 11:47 AM)Bearcats#1 Wrote:  Today the part of TodgeRodge will be played by Pesik...

What's he doing?

writing novel length posts in the forum...

1.UCF Total package?
2..USF Haven't hit their stride?
3. Navy The Machine
4. Houston Staying near the top.
5.Memphis Defense Blues
6.SMU Ready for next step?
7.Tulane Ready to be a tough game?
8.Cincy Ugly
9.Temple Ugly (Bordering on Fugly)
10.Tulsa Tornado zone
11.ECU Sinking ship with QB life preserver?
12.UConn Being UCONN

(10-01-2017 12:08 PM)knightastic Wrote:  1. UCF
2. Memphis
3. Houston
4. USF
5. Navy
6. SMU

I'm fine with USF being at the top for now. Beating teams of note is not all its cracked up to be, see Houston last year and ECU almost every year. They get the job done, that's all you can ask for. They'll be tested before it's all said and done.

Tier 1 - Undefeated:
1.USF
2. Navy
3. UCF

Tie 2 - 1 loss - no particular order:
SMU - Houston - Memphis

Tier -3 - only 2 wins - no particular order:
Temple - Cinn - Tulane

Tier 4 - the bottom:
10. Tulsa
11. ECU
12. UConn