Tom in Lazybrook
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RE: Black AAs want less African/Caribbean at Cornell, LOL
(10-04-2017 01:30 PM)bullet Wrote: (10-04-2017 11:27 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: (10-04-2017 11:24 AM)SuperFlyBCat Wrote: (10-04-2017 11:12 AM)Tom in Lazybrook Wrote: (09-28-2017 10:04 PM)HeartOfDixie Wrote: "African Holocaust"
Wow!
When did that happen?
In places like Alabama for centuries. Millions of Africans were killed in the process of slave transport, through murder by slaveholders, etc.
Just a question. Were Jews that were locked up in concentration camps and forced to work, but survived 'holocaust victims'? If they were, then were the blacks forced to work on slave camps in the American south 'holocaust victims'?
Regardless of the merit of the particular protest at Cornell, the use of the word Holocaust to describe the impact of slavery on Africans is appropriate.
You going to need a link for that. Killing slaves is bad for plantation business.
Population of Alabama
1800 1,250 —
1810 9,046 +623.7%
1820 127,901 +1313.9%
1830 309,527 +142.0%
1840 590,756 +90.9%
1850 771,623 +30.6%
1860 964,201 +25.0%
1870 996,992 +3.4%
1880 1,262,505 +26.6%
1890 1,513,401 +19.9%
1900 1,828,697 +20.8%
1910 2,138,093 +16.9%
1920 2,348,174 +9.8%
1930 2,646,248 +12.7%
1940 2,832,961 +7.1%
1950 3,061,743 +8.1%
1960 3,266,740 +6.7%
1970 3,444,165 +5.4%
1980 3,893,888 +13.1%
1990 4,040,587 +3.8%
2000 4,447,100 +10.1%
2010 4,779,736 +7.5%
2016 4,863,300 +1.7%
Sources: 1910–2010[1]
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Demographics_of_Alabama
Again, in places like Alabama, it occurred. Of course if thousands of slaves were being killed in the course of transport, abuse, overwork, etc, they'd not be in those census figures.
Also, what about those blacks unable to work as slaves....what happened to them?
And, of course, the trans-Atlantic slave trade in the US ended in 1808, while it continued for a while in the Caribbean and Brazil, where the vast majority of African slaves were shipped. There was no desire to kill "property." It wasn't good for business. Using holocaust is no different than using racism for any policy difference. It denigrates the word and your argument.
Did it really end in 1808? Sure, MOST importation of slaves to the USA ended at that time, but plenty died in transport within the USA after that date.
Certainly, slave holders didn't want to exterminate their healthy slaves...but what happened to them when they became unable to work?
I argue that Holocaust can be used to describe the American treatment of its slaves.
Racism is a fact of life in the USA today. Policies can be racist and motivated by racism. And in the USA, they are. Just because some white people don't like to hear that word...doesn't mean it isn't there.
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