(09-27-2017 01:12 PM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  Pitino fired in all but an official capacity (unpaid admin leave). A little interesting that the AD is on paid admin leave. Thought for sure he'd be given his walking papers too.

A lot of this has to do with their contracts. They can’t officially fire Pitino for instance without 10 day notice and providing him an internal “hearing” of sorts to give his side of things. Putting them on leave is just the procedural way to effectively fire them immediately.

(09-27-2017 01:45 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 01:12 PM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  Pitino fired in all but an official capacity (unpaid admin leave). A little interesting that the AD is on paid admin leave. Thought for sure he'd be given his walking papers too.

A lot of this has to do with their contracts. They can’t officially fire Pitino for instance without 10 day notice and providing him an internal “hearing” of sorts to give his side of things. Putting them on leave is just the procedural way to effectively fire them immediately.

I knew about Pitino's 10 day notice, but didn't realize at the time that the AD had a 30 day notice. Still a little interesting that he is on paid leave and Pitino is on unpaid leave, but whatever. They are both toast.

(09-27-2017 07:49 PM)s2dsayer Wrote:  

Drop the mic!

Jay Williams was on Outside the Lines today and he talked about this is probably it for the NCAA as we know it. This scandal is going to go to the core of college basketball. The 4 assistant coaches arrested are small fish. The FBI has subpoena power and puts people under oath so those 4 coaches are going to flip so fast on everybody else who's involved in this stuff (which will probably end up being most P5 schools and the elite non-P5 schools). If Arizona offered a kid's family $5k/month and the kid randomly committed to UCLA instead, guess who's getting a call from the FBI? This is going to get so much worse and no prominent school is safe.

Good

The NCAA is toothless and plays favorites to the moneymakers. The current UNC debacle is a great example.
There's a lot of truth to Tarkanian's famous quip: "The NCAA was so mad at Kentucky they gave Cleveland State two more years of probation."

People get mad at "the NCAA," but in reality, "the NCAA" only has the powers that the schools allow it to have. The NCAA doesn't punish P5 schools enough because other P5 schools are running the show. The only thing that's kept this whole thing going is mutually assured destruction. Every school is dirty and every school has dirt on every other school. It's in their best interest for the NCAA to make it seem like they're punishing schools, but not too hard because one day they might get caught with their own hand in the cookie jar.

This FBI investigation blows all of that out of the water. The 4 coaches that were arrested no longer have any interest in keeping secrets. Their careers are done forever, and when faced with the threat of perjury and legit jail time, it's every man for himself. And it won't just be Adidas schools. If Adidas was doing this, then of course Nike and Under Armour were too. There's just too much money for them not to be involved. That's the crazy thing about all of this: everyone was breaking the rules, but because they were so far out of bounds of the rules, they had created their own set of rules. The top schools had all reached an equilibrium where they were all cheating at about the same level, so they just didn't talk about it. We all suspected this was the case for years, but now we know for sure.

I wonder if this will stop with basketball. What about Football, Baseball, Soccer? It seems abuse is most likely in the big money sports, but I would think some “elite” programs in other sports may bend the rules too.

Also, if this hits the majority of P5 programs, do they split off and start openly allowing payments to athletes beyond COA? If this is all one big black market system, will they essentially legalize it by changing the rules?

This seems like pandora’s box now.

(09-27-2017 09:53 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  I wonder if this will stop with basketball. What about Football, Baseball, Soccer? It seems abuse is most likely in the big money sports, but I would think some “elite” programs in other sports may bend the rules too.

Also, if this hits the majority of P5 programs, do they split off and start openly allowing payments to athletes beyond COA? If this is all one big black market system, will they essentially legalize it by changing the rules?

This seems like pandora’s box now.

It totally is. This is such a game-changer for college athletics because it brings out into the open all the beyond the scenes work that propped up the entire industry. No one likes to think about how common this kind of stuff is, but everyone "knows" it happens. Now we legit know that it happens. Everywhere.

The NCAA only exists because the schools give it the power to exist. It's a club to which the schools are choosing to belong. It's benefitted the schools up until now, but with how monumental this scandal is, the schools might find it beneficial to strike some other arrangement.

(09-27-2017 09:53 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  I wonder if this will stop with basketball. What about Football, Baseball, Soccer? It seems abuse is most likely in the big money sports, but I would think some “elite” programs in other sports may bend the rules too.

Also, if this hits the majority of P5 programs, do they split off and start openly allowing payments to athletes beyond COA? If this is all one big black market system, will they essentially legalize it by changing the rules?

This seems like pandora’s box now.

That's actually an interesting point. Let's say the NCAA black balls 10+ schools (much less 30+), do those schools say screw the NCAA and lobby the rest of the P5 to create their own organization like they've wanted to do for so long? The only thing that I think will hold them back is that if it's that bad...schools will either be given legal sanctions or there will be SO MUCH bad press that they'll just have to live with it for awhile.

Either way, I agree that this is the tip of the iceberg. College athletics is about to go through A LOT of changes.

(09-27-2017 10:07 PM)jmufan2008 Wrote:  Either way, I agree that this is the tip of the iceberg. College athletics is about to go through A LOT of changes.

Good. Overdue.

(09-27-2017 09:53 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  I wonder if this will stop with basketball. What about Football, Baseball, Soccer? It seems abuse is most likely in the big money sports, but I would think some “elite” programs in other sports may bend the rules too.

Also, if this hits the majority of P5 programs, do they split off and start openly allowing payments to athletes beyond COA? If this is all one big black market system, will they essentially legalize it by changing the rules?

This seems like pandora’s box now.

I can definitely see some football programs that might get caught up in this. Baseball and soccer not so much, but there might be some shenanigans in MSoc with Akron being a top rated school/program year after year.

The NCAA doesn't have time to enforce properly. They spend their time on developing silly rules like these...

https://www.cbssports.com/college-basket...-be-fixed/

(09-28-2017 08:04 AM)AssyrianDuke Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 09:53 PM)JMURocks Wrote:  I wonder if this will stop with basketball. What about Football, Baseball, Soccer? It seems abuse is most likely in the big money sports, but I would think some “elite” programs in other sports may bend the rules too.

Also, if this hits the majority of P5 programs, do they split off and start openly allowing payments to athletes beyond COA? If this is all one big black market system, will they essentially legalize it by changing the rules?

This seems like pandora’s box now.

I can definitely see some football programs that might get caught up in this. Baseball and soccer not so much, but there might be some shenanigans in MSoc with Akron being a top rated school/program year after year.

While I am sure there are under the table payments in football it is very different from what is happening in basketball. The agents, AAU coaches, and shoe companies can recognize very early who the players are that have a great shot at the NBA, which is just no true in football. Add to that the shoe contracts in basketball and the fact that in these cases the guy at Adidas was actually creating fake invoices to pay these bribes and you have a combination that you just would not see in football.

Strangely enough I think softball and baseball are much more like basketball because most of the recruiting is tied to club teams and not HS teams. The big difference however is that once again it is all about money and guaranteed money is there in basketball and not in the others.

This won't kill the NCAA. It's like a cat, it has 9 lives....or is it 99? The first time SMU got the "Death Penalty" they said it would kill the NCAA...nope. Not the second time either. And so far this is FEDERAL. Let's not forget THAT salient point.

It would be nice to see a death penalty for Louisville as suggested by USAToday.
What is ironic is that former coaches like Keatts may actually be absolved of any penalty at all because they left the program before the NCAA and FBI divulged their findings.
Dirty hands somehow washed clean without a valid reason.

I don't see how the ACC reporters and fans will lay off Keatts at NC State.
A few simple questions will sink him i.e Were you the assistant head coach in charge of official on campus recruiting visits at Louisville when the confirmed hooker scandal occurred over a 24 month timeframe?
https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/co...733380001/

(10-05-2017 02:09 PM)Hart Foundation Wrote:  Dirty hands somehow washed clean without a valid reason.

Oh, I had a valid reason: