Received an offer from Memphis

Per ESPN, he is a 6-8, 224 four star out of Virginia.

247 assigns him 3 stars with offers from VCU and VA Tech.

(09-21-2017 06:15 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Per ESPN, he is a 6-8, 224 four star out of Virginia.

247 assigns him 3 stars with offers from VCU and VA Tech.

So, we don't have a chance?

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=RQl3ZyQNsAQ

(09-21-2017 06:22 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 06:15 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Per ESPN, he is a 6-8, 224 four star out of Virginia.

247 assigns him 3 stars with offers from VCU and VA Tech.

So, we don't have a chance?

No worries. The competition is stiff, but the coaches will just contact and maybe offer guys with D2 offers and coach them up.

The ESPN rating is troubling because Tubby struggles with signing 4 star talent. Johnson is the only recruit we landed with a 4 star rating (from one media source IIRC).

(09-22-2017 06:44 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 06:22 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 06:15 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Per ESPN, he is a 6-8, 224 four star out of Virginia.

247 assigns him 3 stars with offers from VCU and VA Tech.

So, we don't have a chance?

No worries. The competition is stiff, but the coaches will just contact and maybe offer guys with D2 offers and coach them up.

The ESPN rating is troubling because Tubby struggles with signing 4 star talent. Johnson is the only recruit we landed with a 4 star rating (from one media source IIRC).

10 minutes to Wapner!

(09-22-2017 06:44 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 06:22 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 06:15 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Per ESPN, he is a 6-8, 224 four star out of Virginia.

247 assigns him 3 stars with offers from VCU and VA Tech.

So, we don't have a chance?

No worries. The competition is stiff, but the coaches will just contact and maybe offer guys with D2 offers and coach them up.

The ESPN rating is troubling because Tubby struggles with signing 4 star talent. Johnson is the only recruit we landed with a 4 star rating (from one media source IIRC).

Seems ESPN is fast and loose with their handing out of 4*'s.

24/7 has him listed at #327:



And Rivals doesn't even have a recruiting profile for him.



This is concerning in that this is at least the 2nd new guy that they have now decided to go after in the last couple days.

Either means they are 1) trying to put the heat on others to commit, 2) don't see any of their other targets at likely commits, 3) foresee more openings than three for 2018, or 4) a combination of those.

(09-22-2017 08:47 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 06:44 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 06:22 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 06:15 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Per ESPN, he is a 6-8, 224 four star out of Virginia.

247 assigns him 3 stars with offers from VCU and VA Tech.

So, we don't have a chance?

No worries. The competition is stiff, but the coaches will just contact and maybe offer guys with D2 offers and coach them up.

The ESPN rating is troubling because Tubby struggles with signing 4 star talent. Johnson is the only recruit we landed with a 4 star rating (from one media source IIRC).

Seems ESPN is fast and loose with their handing out of 4*'s.

24/7 has him listed at #327:



And Rivals doesn't even have a recruiting profile for him.



This is concerning in that this is at least the 2nd new guy that they have now decided to go after in the last couple days.

Either means they are 1) trying to put the heat on others to commit, 2) don't see any of their other targets at likely commits, 3) foresee more openings than three for 2018, or 4) a combination of those.

Or perhaps the picture is becoming clearer for some really good players that have been overlooked by the scouting services. Maybe some hidden gems are being revealed.

(09-22-2017 09:02 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 08:47 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 06:44 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 06:22 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 06:15 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  Per ESPN, he is a 6-8, 224 four star out of Virginia.

247 assigns him 3 stars with offers from VCU and VA Tech.

So, we don't have a chance?

No worries. The competition is stiff, but the coaches will just contact and maybe offer guys with D2 offers and coach them up.

The ESPN rating is troubling because Tubby struggles with signing 4 star talent. Johnson is the only recruit we landed with a 4 star rating (from one media source IIRC).

Seems ESPN is fast and loose with their handing out of 4*'s.

24/7 has him listed at #327:



And Rivals doesn't even have a recruiting profile for him.



This is concerning in that this is at least the 2nd new guy that they have now decided to go after in the last couple days.

Either means they are 1) trying to put the heat on others to commit, 2) don't see any of their other targets at likely commits, 3) foresee more openings than three for 2018, or 4) a combination of those.

Or perhaps the picture is becoming clearer for some really good players that have been overlooked by the scouting services. Maybe some hidden gems are being revealed.

Like whom?

Go find me a 300+ recruit who averaged double figures in scoring or rebounding for a season.

Edit: Sebastian Saiz is one, as is the Lemomte cat for Baylor.

(09-22-2017 09:14 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 09:02 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 08:47 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 06:44 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 06:22 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  So, we don't have a chance?

No worries. The competition is stiff, but the coaches will just contact and maybe offer guys with D2 offers and coach them up.

The ESPN rating is troubling because Tubby struggles with signing 4 star talent. Johnson is the only recruit we landed with a 4 star rating (from one media source IIRC).

Seems ESPN is fast and loose with their handing out of 4*'s.

24/7 has him listed at #327:



And Rivals doesn't even have a recruiting profile for him.



This is concerning in that this is at least the 2nd new guy that they have now decided to go after in the last couple days.

Either means they are 1) trying to put the heat on others to commit, 2) don't see any of their other targets at likely commits, 3) foresee more openings than three for 2018, or 4) a combination of those.

Or perhaps the picture is becoming clearer for some really good players that have been overlooked by the scouting services. Maybe some hidden gems are being revealed.

Like whom?

Go find me a 300+ recruit who averaged double figures in scoring or rebounding for a season.

Edit: Sebastian Saiz is one, as is the Lemomte cat for Baylor.

http://247sports.com/player/cameron-payne-24471

(09-22-2017 09:47 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 09:14 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 09:02 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 08:47 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 06:44 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  No worries. The competition is stiff, but the coaches will just contact and maybe offer guys with D2 offers and coach them up.

The ESPN rating is troubling because Tubby struggles with signing 4 star talent. Johnson is the only recruit we landed with a 4 star rating (from one media source IIRC).

Seems ESPN is fast and loose with their handing out of 4*'s.

24/7 has him listed at #327:



And Rivals doesn't even have a recruiting profile for him.



This is concerning in that this is at least the 2nd new guy that they have now decided to go after in the last couple days.

Either means they are 1) trying to put the heat on others to commit, 2) don't see any of their other targets at likely commits, 3) foresee more openings than three for 2018, or 4) a combination of those.

Or perhaps the picture is becoming clearer for some really good players that have been overlooked by the scouting services. Maybe some hidden gems are being revealed.

Like whom?

Go find me a 300+ recruit who averaged double figures in scoring or rebounding for a season.

Edit: Sebastian Saiz is one, as is the Lemomte cat for Baylor.

http://247sports.com/player/cameron-payne-24471

Yep.

Although, I will have to say that winning "Mr. Basketball" in the state is an indication that the recruiting ranking might not meet skill level.

Anytime you are the best player in the state in your division, chances are your are a good player.

(09-22-2017 10:04 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 09:47 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 09:14 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 09:02 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 08:47 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Seems ESPN is fast and loose with their handing out of 4*'s.

24/7 has him listed at #327:



And Rivals doesn't even have a recruiting profile for him.



This is concerning in that this is at least the 2nd new guy that they have now decided to go after in the last couple days.

Either means they are 1) trying to put the heat on others to commit, 2) don't see any of their other targets at likely commits, 3) foresee more openings than three for 2018, or 4) a combination of those.

Or perhaps the picture is becoming clearer for some really good players that have been overlooked by the scouting services. Maybe some hidden gems are being revealed.

Like whom?

Go find me a 300+ recruit who averaged double figures in scoring or rebounding for a season.

Edit: Sebastian Saiz is one, as is the Lemomte cat for Baylor.

http://247sports.com/player/cameron-payne-24471

Yep.

Although, I will have to say that winning "Mr. Basketball" in the state is an indication that the recruiting ranking might not meet skill level.

Anytime you are the best player in the state in your division, chances are your are a good player.

You mentioned rankings only, not accolades.

It's not all about the number. One of the guys the Tigers are after is Keonte Kennedy (went to the UCLA game). I know nothing about this guy, but he has offers from Michigan, Xavier, Arkansas, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, etc. He is currently unranked.

Is he any good? I'd say simply by his offer list that he is a quality player...

(09-22-2017 10:29 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 10:04 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 09:47 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 09:14 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 09:02 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  Or perhaps the picture is becoming clearer for some really good players that have been overlooked by the scouting services. Maybe some hidden gems are being revealed.

Like whom?

Go find me a 300+ recruit who averaged double figures in scoring or rebounding for a season.

Edit: Sebastian Saiz is one, as is the Lemomte cat for Baylor.

http://247sports.com/player/cameron-payne-24471

Yep.

Although, I will have to say that winning "Mr. Basketball" in the state is an indication that the recruiting ranking might not meet skill level.

Anytime you are the best player in the state in your division, chances are your are a good player.

You mentioned rankings only, not accolades.

It's not all about the number. One of the guys the Tigers are after is Keonte Kennedy (went to the UCLA game). I know nothing about this guy, but he has offers from Michigan, Xavier, Arkansas, Georgia Tech, Virginia Tech, etc. He is currently unranked.

Is he any good? I'd say simply by his offer list that he is a quality player...

Yeah. I agree.

But...it also depends on what level of importance that kid plays in a team's makeup.

Memphis was going after JUCO's this year with the idea that they would be major minute guys--likely starters.

Maybe there were some "name" schools that were going after the same player and Memphis beat those name schools out. BUT, maybe those other schools were going to use the JUCO's as 7th or 8th guys in a rotation.

Memphis will likely be going up against "named" schools for 150-200 type players. The difference, as of now, is that Memphis will be slotting them in starting roles, or at least major minute guys, from the get-go, whereas other schools may simply be relying on those kids to be backups/insurance policies in case something happens because they have better players already there or coming in.

(09-22-2017 09:14 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 09:02 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 08:47 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 06:44 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-21-2017 06:22 PM)Hernando Hills Tiger Wrote:  So, we don't have a chance?

No worries. The competition is stiff, but the coaches will just contact and maybe offer guys with D2 offers and coach them up.

The ESPN rating is troubling because Tubby struggles with signing 4 star talent. Johnson is the only recruit we landed with a 4 star rating (from one media source IIRC).

Seems ESPN is fast and loose with their handing out of 4*'s.

24/7 has him listed at #327:



And Rivals doesn't even have a recruiting profile for him.



This is concerning in that this is at least the 2nd new guy that they have now decided to go after in the last couple days.

Either means they are 1) trying to put the heat on others to commit, 2) don't see any of their other targets at likely commits, 3) foresee more openings than three for 2018, or 4) a combination of those.

Or perhaps the picture is becoming clearer for some really good players that have been overlooked by the scouting services. Maybe some hidden gems are being revealed.

Like whom?

Go find me a 300+ recruit who averaged double figures in scoring or rebounding for a season.

Edit: Sebastian Saiz is one, as is the Lemomte cat for Baylor.

Ron Baker ...

(09-25-2017 12:00 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 09:14 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 09:02 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 08:47 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 06:44 AM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  No worries. The competition is stiff, but the coaches will just contact and maybe offer guys with D2 offers and coach them up.

The ESPN rating is troubling because Tubby struggles with signing 4 star talent. Johnson is the only recruit we landed with a 4 star rating (from one media source IIRC).

Seems ESPN is fast and loose with their handing out of 4*'s.

24/7 has him listed at #327:



And Rivals doesn't even have a recruiting profile for him.



This is concerning in that this is at least the 2nd new guy that they have now decided to go after in the last couple days.

Either means they are 1) trying to put the heat on others to commit, 2) don't see any of their other targets at likely commits, 3) foresee more openings than three for 2018, or 4) a combination of those.

Or perhaps the picture is becoming clearer for some really good players that have been overlooked by the scouting services. Maybe some hidden gems are being revealed.

Like whom?

Go find me a 300+ recruit who averaged double figures in scoring or rebounding for a season.

Edit: Sebastian Saiz is one, as is the Lemomte cat for Baylor.

Ron Baker ...

They are rare gems indeed given the roughly 4,500 D-1 players on rosters in just one season.

(09-25-2017 12:31 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 12:00 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 09:14 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 09:02 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 08:47 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Seems ESPN is fast and loose with their handing out of 4*'s.

24/7 has him listed at #327:



And Rivals doesn't even have a recruiting profile for him.



This is concerning in that this is at least the 2nd new guy that they have now decided to go after in the last couple days.

Either means they are 1) trying to put the heat on others to commit, 2) don't see any of their other targets at likely commits, 3) foresee more openings than three for 2018, or 4) a combination of those.

Or perhaps the picture is becoming clearer for some really good players that have been overlooked by the scouting services. Maybe some hidden gems are being revealed.

Like whom?

Go find me a 300+ recruit who averaged double figures in scoring or rebounding for a season.

Edit: Sebastian Saiz is one, as is the Lemomte cat for Baylor.

Ron Baker ...

They are rare gems indeed given the roughly 4,500 D-1 players on rosters in just one season.

Still you must admit it's puzzling at best (given your logic) that Gregg Marshall could take a group of primarily JUCOs and unheralded recruits to the Final 4. Meanwhile we had amazing teams assembled of 4 and 5 star dudes that never made it past the first weekend of the tournament.

(09-25-2017 02:17 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 12:31 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 12:00 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 09:14 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 09:02 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  Or perhaps the picture is becoming clearer for some really good players that have been overlooked by the scouting services. Maybe some hidden gems are being revealed.

Like whom?

Go find me a 300+ recruit who averaged double figures in scoring or rebounding for a season.

Edit: Sebastian Saiz is one, as is the Lemomte cat for Baylor.

Ron Baker ...

They are rare gems indeed given the roughly 4,500 D-1 players on rosters in just one season.

Still you must admit it's puzzling at best (given your logic) that Gregg Marshall could take a group of primarily JUCOs and unheralded recruits to the Final 4. Meanwhile we had amazing teams assembled of 4 and 5 star dudes that never made it past the first weekend of the tournament.

Both are outliers. Most coaches wouldn't be able to go as far with Marshall's players and most coaches would do more with Pastner's players.

(09-25-2017 02:17 PM)cscottl1981 Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 12:31 PM)Tiger1983 Wrote:  

(09-25-2017 12:00 PM)Stickboy46 Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 09:14 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 09:02 AM)SouthernBlue Wrote:  Or perhaps the picture is becoming clearer for some really good players that have been overlooked by the scouting services. Maybe some hidden gems are being revealed.

Like whom?

Go find me a 300+ recruit who averaged double figures in scoring or rebounding for a season.

Edit: Sebastian Saiz is one, as is the Lemomte cat for Baylor.

Ron Baker ...

They are rare gems indeed given the roughly 4,500 D-1 players on rosters in just one season.

Still you must admit it's puzzling at best (given your logic) that Gregg Marshall could take a group of primarily JUCOs and unheralded recruits to the Final 4. Meanwhile we had amazing teams assembled of 4 and 5 star dudes that never made it past the first weekend of the tournament.

Good coaching and good recruiting are not necessarily mutually exclusive. It is better to have both because it makes winning easier.

The problem we have now is Tubby has not demonstrated he can recruit or coach up teams to Memphis level unless one is satisfied with one NCAA win in ten years and occasional losing season records. The factors leading to winning (e.g., talent, experience, outside shooting) this season are unfavorable and we cannot assume team cohesiveness given the turmoil last year. The concerns are not limited to those expressing doubts about Tubby here. Indeed, two nationally published magazines project a 11th and 12th place AAC finish.

Furthermore, Tubby has not excited fans about our program. Announced average attendance fell last year (from 12,028 to 9,622) and will likely drop again this season. Unless Tubby wins now at the Memphis level (doubtful), the erosion will probably continue.

The issues we face are real. They will not disappear while waiting and seeing for the full manifested results.

Speaking of CJP, didn't he pull in his first top 100 recruit, at Tech none the less. Say want you want about his x and o abilities, guy can recruit his arse off.

Well, in any event, Memphis has been added to his recruiting list:

https://www.verbalcommits.com/players/florent-thamba