(09-22-2017 01:23 PM)Attackcoog Wrote:  The bill is dead. Everyone, hang on to your wallets--especially if your in the middle class. If you are in the middle class---the Democrats have you in their cross hairs and you are slated for financial ruin. Ive never seen a roup of politicians more interested in ensuring their defeat like the Pelosi led lock step Democrats and a handful of recalcitrant Republicans. Declare war on the middle class at your own risk. The people will have the last laugh. Always do.

That already happened last election. Dems seem damn determined to make it happen again.

Uh oh. Fox News better get some mor Hulk Hogan sex tape interviews...... stat

Maybe some more hot female teachers doing the nasty............

What other tried and true formulaic stories that hit that GOP hot spot?

The Senate should be ashamed of themselves. They had 9 months to work on this and came up with nothing. Now innocent people will suffer under the cruel taxation and unaffordable pricing caused by this destrucitve piece of legislation

(09-22-2017 08:08 PM)solohawks Wrote:  The Senate should be ashamed of themselves. They had 9 months to work on this and came up with nothing. Now innocent people will suffer under the cruel taxation and unaffordable pricing caused by this destrucitve piece of legislation

Wellll, It's not really "The Senate", it's the same 3-4 suspects every time. One over here, for whatever reason, one over there, etc. "Problem" with the R's is that they don't simply vote lockstep with what their leadership proclaims.

And I'm on board with that. Things need to be discussed, distilled, worked out. Look how the "Party first, vote with me or else" band of jokers has worked out.

1000+ seats, gone. No bench. Groups like antifag being their standard bearers, or even worse Schumcky or POP-eyes. And nary an idea to be seen on the horizon.

Thanks, dims for this clusterfrick, well done. Own this albatross.

(09-22-2017 01:34 PM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Uh oh. Fox News better get some mor Hulk Hogan sex tape interviews...... stat

Maybe some more hot female teachers doing the nasty............

What other tried and true formulaic stories that hit that GOP hot spot?

I'm going to be literally laughing my butt off next November when the Democcrats are trying to figure out why they not only failed to capture majorities in either house of congress---but actually lost ground---IN AN OFF YEAR ELECTION. Don't say I didn't warn you.

CNN needs to crank up some Obama Care is saving you $2500 a year fake news stories. It doesn't need to be true as long as the bald kids with cancer are in the front row of the camera shot. Of course, none of those could be middle class kids because they can't afford insurance anymore. If CNN lies enough, maybe the Dems can hang onto to 40 seats in the senate.

(09-23-2017 12:42 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 08:08 PM)solohawks Wrote:  The Senate should be ashamed of themselves. They had 9 months to work on this and came up with nothing. Now innocent people will suffer under the cruel taxation and unaffordable pricing caused by this destrucitve piece of legislation

Wellll, It's not really "The Senate", it's the same 3-4 suspects every time. One over here, for whatever reason, one over there, etc. "Problem" with the R's is that they don't simply vote lockstep with what their leadership proclaims.

And I'm on board with that. Things need to be discussed, distilled, worked out. Look how the "Party first, vote with me or else" band of jokers has worked out.

1000+ seats, gone. No bench. Groups like antifag being their standard bearers, or even worse Schumcky or POP-eyes. And nary an idea to be seen on the horizon.

Thanks, dims for this clusterfrick, well done. Own this albatross.

You know, the funny thing is I don't have a problem with McCains logic. Just his idiotic methodology. Look, if he really believes that---then why is he leaving a bill in place that was rammed through the senate in exactly the manner he is opposed to? Repeal Obamacare and then use regular orderto craft the replacement. The reality is, as long as Obamacare exists, the Dems have absolutely zero motivation to negotiate. As long as Obamacare exists--its completely in the DEMS best interest to obstruct---and they will---because they no longer consider the middle class to be part of thier core constituency---instead middle America is now the enemy.

Schumer is quoted as saying as long as repeal is on the table they will not negotiate

Makes bipartisanship kinda hard

(09-23-2017 05:41 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Schumer is quoted as saying as long as repeal is on the table they will not negotiate

Makes bipartisanship kinda hard

apparently, John McCain is in his back pocket too....

Rand has to vote yes or it's #singlepayer on the horizon......regardless what he believes is right, his version will never have a chance down the road unless he changes to yea....

that's politics.....

#sinful

(09-23-2017 06:11 AM)stinkfist Wrote:  

(09-23-2017 05:41 AM)solohawks Wrote:  Schumer is quoted as saying as long as repeal is on the table they will not negotiate

Makes bipartisanship kinda hard

apparently, John McCain is in his back pocket too....

Rand has to vote yes or it's #singlepayer on the horizon......regardless what he believes is right, his version will never have a chance down the road unless he changes to yea....

that's politics.....

#sinful

Even if Paul were to vote yes, which he won't as he is a purest like his father, the ME and AKsenators would block it with McCain

I hope this fails. The ACA can not be fixed. It has to be repealed and replaced with a REAL solution. It seems clear that needs to be some form of Bismarck.

They ran on repeal. That's what they need to deliver. Anyone voting no for anything short of repeal is still the good guy. To hell with Trump and the rest in Congress doing his bidding keeping Obamacare alive.

(09-23-2017 02:22 AM)Attackcoog Wrote:  

(09-23-2017 12:42 AM)JMUDunk Wrote:  

(09-22-2017 08:08 PM)solohawks Wrote:  The Senate should be ashamed of themselves. They had 9 months to work on this and came up with nothing. Now innocent people will suffer under the cruel taxation and unaffordable pricing caused by this destrucitve piece of legislation

Wellll, It's not really "The Senate", it's the same 3-4 suspects every time. One over here, for whatever reason, one over there, etc. "Problem" with the R's is that they don't simply vote lockstep with what their leadership proclaims.

And I'm on board with that. Things need to be discussed, distilled, worked out. Look how the "Party first, vote with me or else" band of jokers has worked out.

1000+ seats, gone. No bench. Groups like antifag being their standard bearers, or even worse Schumcky or POP-eyes. And nary an idea to be seen on the horizon.

Thanks, dims for this clusterfrick, well done. Own this albatross.

You know, the funny thing is I don't have a problem with McCains logic. Just his idiotic methodology. Look, if he really believes that---then why is he leaving a bill in place that was rammed through the senate in exactly the manner he is opposed to? Repeal Obamacare and then use regular orderto craft the replacement. The reality is, as long as Obamacare exists, the Dems have absolutely zero motivation to negotiate. As long as Obamacare exists--its completely in the DEMS best interest to obstruct---and they will---because they no longer consider the middle class to be part of thier core constituency---instead middle America is now the enemy.

http://www.washingtonexaminer.com/john-m...le/2635319

McCain's a liar, plain and simple. Rand Paul, on the other hand, has principles. He's just follows them to an idiotic extreme. McCain, however, clearly doesn't have principles. He wants Obamacare to stay but has claimed otherwise for years. This could be the 2nd time he has saved Obamacare.

I really think this is about two things:
1) Narcissism, getting the attention on him; and
2) Giving the middle finger to Trump. Its long been clear that McCain holds grudges. He held one against the Bushes. He doesn't want to see Trump have any successes after Trump's denigration of his POW status.

(09-23-2017 08:42 AM)Paul M Wrote:  They ran on repeal. That's what they need to deliver. Anyone voting no for anything short of repeal is still the good guy. To hell with Trump and the rest in Congress doing his bidding keeping Obamacare alive.

you're failing to recognize the real problem....

it has to be done in stages....

I'm on rand's side except "politcs" ....he's gotta suck this one up like he did last time....

if the phants want things to change, it's time for show and tell...if not, the gnats will be replaced in '18...

McCain is grandstanding. He is a class A1 hypocrite running on repeal/replace and then not voting to take the first step. This is his freaking best friend Lyndsey Graham's authored bill. Way to stand by your friend McCain!

Rand Paul ran on a total repeal and replace. He has been very principled in his stand but I agree with others...he should vote for this and say he is voting for this only as a "First Step" towards a total repeal and replace and then he should push hard for step 2. He would still be standing on his principles if he did that.

I recognize the problem. It's a problem as old as age. Lying.

You run on repeal, that's what you do.

Why not take a different approach?

Hold public hearings that actually debate the merits of alternative approaches. Then pick the best one and write a comprehensive bill to implement it. Put is to a vote. It will take 60 votes to get such a bill through the senate. If enough democrats vote for it to get over that hurdle, great. If they don't, then they own Obamacare when it crashes.

IMO the democrat plan was always to have Obamacare crash. By then, the plan was for Hillary to be in the white house and democrats to have sizable majorities in both houses. Then single payer would be a slam dunk. Only it didn't work out like that. Except that Obamacare is pretty much crashing on schedule.

(09-20-2017 06:34 AM)Machiavelli Wrote:  Why don't they do it the RIGHT WAY!!!! Go through commitee. Make it bi partisan so it sticks. Absolutely flabbergasted that this isn't common sense. This will not fix anything.

Because there is nothing the dems would go for short of medicare for all.

Republicans are bound and determined to take it over and forever be the blame. Full repeal or let it crash on it's own with Obamas name on it.

If it starts to move the power back to the states then it's the best proposal we have seen so far.