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The difference between Bonamego and Haynes (Kent State) is that Lester had prior head coaching experience albeit at lower levels.

(09-26-2017 04:13 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  I like Bonamego's spirit for CMU but not sure if he was the right hire.

I hope WMU didn't make the same mistake with Lester.

Look at Kent St. They also hired an alumni/former player.

That being said, I like the MAC's strategy at trying former players -> Coordinators come from the Power 5 and the like thinking the MAC will be a cakewalk and then wonder why they get destroyed by the top teams. (Not to be that guy, but it was one of the reasons why I liked the Fleck hire from Day 1; he had ties to the MAC and knew what it took to succeed in it)

But the key to hiring an alumni is it can be difficult to fire them. Look at Jim Culhane with hockey.

Right, the "Fleck hire from day 1" was a big success 1-11
#Skankasaurus ????

Somebody misses Kalamazoo #SoGladTheyreGone

(09-26-2017 04:53 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(09-26-2017 04:13 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  I like Bonamego's spirit for CMU but not sure if he was the right hire.

I hope WMU didn't make the same mistake with Lester.

Look at Kent St. They also hired an alumni/former player.

That being said, I like the MAC's strategy at trying former players -> Coordinators come from the Power 5 and the like thinking the MAC will be a cakewalk and then wonder why they get destroyed by the top teams. (Not to be that guy, but it was one of the reasons why I liked the Fleck hire from Day 1; he had ties to the MAC and knew what it took to succeed in it)

But the key to hiring an alumni is it can be difficult to fire them. Look at Jim Culhane with hockey.

Right, the "Fleck hire from day 1" was a big success 1-11
#Skankasaurus ????

I knew he'd get better. And I liked him from Day 1 - that is the day his hire was announced. But this thread isn't about him

(09-26-2017 05:05 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(09-26-2017 04:53 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(09-26-2017 04:13 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  I like Bonamego's spirit for CMU but not sure if he was the right hire.

I hope WMU didn't make the same mistake with Lester.

Look at Kent St. They also hired an alumni/former player.

That being said, I like the MAC's strategy at trying former players -> Coordinators come from the Power 5 and the like thinking the MAC will be a cakewalk and then wonder why they get destroyed by the top teams. (Not to be that guy, but it was one of the reasons why I liked the Fleck hire from Day 1; he had ties to the MAC and knew what it took to succeed in it)

But the key to hiring an alumni is it can be difficult to fire them. Look at Jim Culhane with hockey.

Right, the "Fleck hire from day 1" was a big success 1-11
#Skankasaurus ????

I knew he'd get better. And I liked him from Day 1 - that is the day his hire was announced. But this thread isn't about him

I knew he'd get better

Chimps act like 8+ wins is the norm in Mt. P.


Since going to two divisions 20 years ago they've had 4 seasons that were better than 7-6. In that same span Western has had 9 seasons better than 7-6, and finished ahead of CMU in the MAC West 14 times.

Clearly CMU has not been overly successful in the modern era. Frankly we shouldn't be surprised that the Cannon Trophy is on permanent display in Kalamazoo. Central has been consistently sub par for the last 20 years.

(09-27-2017 04:27 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  Chimps act like 8+ wins is the norm in Mt. P.


Since going to two divisions 20 years ago they've had 4 seasons that were better than 7-6. In that same span Western has had 9 seasons better than 7-6, and finished ahead of CMU in the MAC West 14 times.

Clearly CMU has not been overly successful in the modern era. Frankly we shouldn't be surprised that the Cannon Trophy is on permanent display in Kalamazoo. Central has been consistently sub par for the last 20 years.

That's impressive. I would've had no idea. That's what the Butch Jones and Brian Kelly MAC Championships and regularly getting wins over the Power 5 did. Also doesn't help - outside of last year - WMU hasn't won much of anything either. (We're always pretty competitive, never really awful)

The BEST SEASON at CMU is always NEXT SEASON!

(09-27-2017 04:32 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 04:27 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  Chimps act like 8+ wins is the norm in Mt. P.


Since going to two divisions 20 years ago they've had 4 seasons that were better than 7-6. In that same span Western has had 9 seasons better than 7-6, and finished ahead of CMU in the MAC West 14 times.

Clearly CMU has not been overly successful in the modern era. Frankly we shouldn't be surprised that the Cannon Trophy is on permanent display in Kalamazoo. Central has been consistently sub par for the last 20 years.

That's impressive. I would've had no idea. That's what the Butch Jones and Brian Kelly MAC Championships and regularly getting wins over the Power 5 did. Also doesn't help - outside of last year - WMU hasn't won much of anything either. (We're always pretty competitive, never really awful)

In that same 20 year span CMU has five Power5 wins Western has 7.....so guess we've regularly beat P5's more than them as well. We actually had a culture before Hairgel #Brocoach showed up. #Skankasaurus

(09-27-2017 10:38 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 04:32 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 04:27 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  Chimps act like 8+ wins is the norm in Mt. P.


Since going to two divisions 20 years ago they've had 4 seasons that were better than 7-6. In that same span Western has had 9 seasons better than 7-6, and finished ahead of CMU in the MAC West 14 times.

Clearly CMU has not been overly successful in the modern era. Frankly we shouldn't be surprised that the Cannon Trophy is on permanent display in Kalamazoo. Central has been consistently sub par for the last 20 years.

That's impressive. I would've had no idea. That's what the Butch Jones and Brian Kelly MAC Championships and regularly getting wins over the Power 5 did. Also doesn't help - outside of last year - WMU hasn't won much of anything either. (We're always pretty competitive, never really awful)

In that same 20 year span CMU has five Power5 wins Western has 7.....so guess we've regularly beat P5's more than them as well. We actually had a culture before Hairgel #Brocoach showed up. #Skankasaurus

Chipdip2 -

I usually LOVE the way you slap around CMU, but you are using some wrong facts and defending a previous culture at WMU that could only be described as "We're Mediocre U."

Bottom-line, what are the head-to-head results vs. CMU and who has won championships and won them recently?

Playing games in November with 3rd or 4th place on-the-line is meaningless. Would you or anyone else trade that 1-11 season in 2013 for 7-5 if it meant going 8-4 and no championship in 2016? Of course not. WMU is defending MAC champ for the first time in 30 years. That trumps ANY and ALL middle-of-the-pack finishes.

Going back to 1997, CMU has been in the MAC Championship game three times and won all of them. WMU has been in it three times and won once. Kudos to CMU. You play for championships, not 3rd place. Of course, CMU has now graduated two entire classes since its last championship in 2009 and has lost 5 of the last 7 to WMU. In short, the Broncos own the slappies from Mount Pleasant currently, and have a 48-37-2 all-time record against them.

Since 1997, WMU has an 11-9 record against CMU. It was 8-8 prior to 2013 when the Culture of Cubit lost five consecutive times to the Chippewa (still pizzes me off!). And Cubit's teams were never in championship contention come November. There's a reason he was removed...mediocrity and being owned by your arch-rival can't be tolerated and should not be celebrated.

Christ. Are we really still talking about Cubit?

Or Fleck for that matter?

(09-28-2017 08:44 AM)broncofan1 Wrote:  Christ. Are we really still talking about Cubit?

Or Fleck for that matter?

No.

Just the most effective way to use leverage to slap around CMU fools like Chiprule.

Of course, the best leverage of all is...49-10, three-in-row, five-of-last six, defending MAC Champion.

Go Broncos!

(09-28-2017 07:52 AM)GullLake Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 10:38 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 04:32 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 04:27 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  Chimps act like 8+ wins is the norm in Mt. P.


Since going to two divisions 20 years ago they've had 4 seasons that were better than 7-6. In that same span Western has had 9 seasons better than 7-6, and finished ahead of CMU in the MAC West 14 times.

Clearly CMU has not been overly successful in the modern era. Frankly we shouldn't be surprised that the Cannon Trophy is on permanent display in Kalamazoo. Central has been consistently sub par for the last 20 years.

That's impressive. I would've had no idea. That's what the Butch Jones and Brian Kelly MAC Championships and regularly getting wins over the Power 5 did. Also doesn't help - outside of last year - WMU hasn't won much of anything either. (We're always pretty competitive, never really awful)

In that same 20 year span CMU has five Power5 wins Western has 7.....so guess we've regularly beat P5's more than them as well. We actually had a culture before Hairgel #Brocoach showed up. #Skankasaurus

Chipdip2 -

I usually LOVE the way you slap around CMU, but you are using some wrong facts and defending a previous culture at WMU that could only be described as "We're Mediocre U."

So 9 win seasons are Mediocre???

Bottom-line, what are the head-to-head results vs. CMU and who has won championships and won them recently?

Western is 11-9 vs the Chimps since going to two divisions. Western has finished ahead of CMU 14 times in that 20 year span.

Playing games in November with 3rd or 4th place on-the-line is meaningless. Would you or anyone else trade that 1-11 season in 2013 for 7-5 if it meant going 8-4 and no championship in 2016? Of course not. WMU is defending MAC champ for the first time in 30 years. That trumps ANY and ALL middle-of-the-pack finishes.

Going back to 1997, CMU has been in the MAC Championship game three times and won all of them. WMU has been in it three times and won once. Kudos to CMU. You play for championships, not 3rd place. Of course, CMU has now graduated two entire classes since its last championship in 2009 and has lost 5 of the last 7 to WMU. In short, the Broncos own the slappies from Mount Pleasant currently, and have a 48-37-2 all-time record against them.

Since 1997, WMU has an 11-9 record against CMU. It was 8-8 prior to 2013 when the Culture of Cubit lost five consecutive times to the Chippewa (still pizzes me off!). And Cubit's teams were never in championship contention come November. There's a reason he was removed...mediocrity and being owned by your arch-rival can't be tolerated and should not be celebrated.

I get it, you hate all thing pre-Peej. But the facts I gave show that the "championship culture" is just BS, but hey if you want to buy into, fine.

(09-28-2017 09:57 AM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(09-28-2017 07:52 AM)GullLake Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 10:38 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 04:32 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 04:27 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  Chimps act like 8+ wins is the norm in Mt. P.


Since going to two divisions 20 years ago they've had 4 seasons that were better than 7-6. In that same span Western has had 9 seasons better than 7-6, and finished ahead of CMU in the MAC West 14 times.

Clearly CMU has not been overly successful in the modern era. Frankly we shouldn't be surprised that the Cannon Trophy is on permanent display in Kalamazoo. Central has been consistently sub par for the last 20 years.

That's impressive. I would've had no idea. That's what the Butch Jones and Brian Kelly MAC Championships and regularly getting wins over the Power 5 did. Also doesn't help - outside of last year - WMU hasn't won much of anything either. (We're always pretty competitive, never really awful)

In that same 20 year span CMU has five Power5 wins Western has 7.....so guess we've regularly beat P5's more than them as well. We actually had a culture before Hairgel #Brocoach showed up. #Skankasaurus

Chipdip2 -

I usually LOVE the way you slap around CMU, but you are using some wrong facts and defending a previous culture at WMU that could only be described as "We're Mediocre U."

So 9 win seasons are Mediocre???

Bottom-line, what are the head-to-head results vs. CMU and who has won championships and won them recently?

Western is 11-9 vs the Chimps since going to two divisions. Western has finished ahead of CMU 14 times in that 20 year span.

Playing games in November with 3rd or 4th place on-the-line is meaningless. Would you or anyone else trade that 1-11 season in 2013 for 7-5 if it meant going 8-4 and no championship in 2016? Of course not. WMU is defending MAC champ for the first time in 30 years. That trumps ANY and ALL middle-of-the-pack finishes.

Going back to 1997, CMU has been in the MAC Championship game three times and won all of them. WMU has been in it three times and won once. Kudos to CMU. You play for championships, not 3rd place. Of course, CMU has now graduated two entire classes since its last championship in 2009 and has lost 5 of the last 7 to WMU. In short, the Broncos own the slappies from Mount Pleasant currently, and have a 48-37-2 all-time record against them.

Since 1997, WMU has an 11-9 record against CMU. It was 8-8 prior to 2013 when the Culture of Cubit lost five consecutive times to the Chippewa (still pizzes me off!). And Cubit's teams were never in championship contention come November. There's a reason he was removed...mediocrity and being owned by your arch-rival can't be tolerated and should not be celebrated.

I get it, you hate all thing pre-Peej. But the facts I gave show that the "championship culture" is just BS, but hey if you want to buy into, fine.

No. Don't go there. You know better.

I get your point and agree with it, but your facts are thin gruel and counter productive.

We play for championships and the Cannon Trophy. WMU has them NOW. Central Michigan does not.

WMU > CMU

(09-27-2017 10:38 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 04:32 PM)Bronco14 Wrote:  

(09-27-2017 04:27 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  Chimps act like 8+ wins is the norm in Mt. P.


Since going to two divisions 20 years ago they've had 4 seasons that were better than 7-6. In that same span Western has had 9 seasons better than 7-6, and finished ahead of CMU in the MAC West 14 times.

Clearly CMU has not been overly successful in the modern era. Frankly we shouldn't be surprised that the Cannon Trophy is on permanent display in Kalamazoo. Central has been consistently sub par for the last 20 years.

That's impressive. I would've had no idea. That's what the Butch Jones and Brian Kelly MAC Championships and regularly getting wins over the Power 5 did. Also doesn't help - outside of last year - WMU hasn't won much of anything either. (We're always pretty competitive, never really awful)

In that same 20 year span CMU has five Power5 wins Western has 7.....so guess we've regularly beat P5's more than them as well. We actually had a culture before Hairgel #Brocoach showed up. #Skankasaurus

We had a culture WITH him, too. A better one than existed before his arrival.

And you know it.

As GullLake pointed out in another thread, PJ Fleck is a douchebag. I think we can all agree on that.

GullLake then went on to point out that lots of really successful college football coaches are also douchebags. He mentioned Brian Kelly and Urban Meyer. I would add Saban to that list.

Dip, where you lose a lot of credibility with me is when you try and argue that somehow WMU's recent teams, particularly last year's, weren't (with apologies to the late Dennis Green) "what we thought they were." That's just nonsense.

In your continued obsessive effort to discredit PJ Fleck in every manner possible, you hang your hat on one bad half of football vs. Kent, and an admittedly subpar performance in the MAC championship game.

You're not fooling anybody except yourself.

Sorry guys #Fleckdashians, didn't mean to make you twist in the wind and have to jump on board with the Chips. I never thought I'd see a Broncos #WalmartWaldoFans throw Western under the bus, but I guess when it comes to proping up Peej's #brocoach legacy and piling on Bill Cubit like he's Pitino, you'll even sidle up to your hated rival.

Yep, until Peej arrived we never beat any P5s, we never beat CMU, we never won more than 5 games. Only when Coach Hairgel and the #skankasaurus arrived with the catchy slogans, phony promises, dry-humps at the 50, and ridiculous new traditions (that are already gone), did the Bronco "faithful" #BandwagonBroncos seem satisfied.

I was satisfied when we won a bowl game and MAC title.

He brought the only championship in my lifetime, hoping we can build on that and string together 3 or 4 more in the next few years. If you ever want to see Waldo full on a consistent basis we need all the "walmart" broncos we can get. We are down to 23000 students, late 90s/early 2000s was over 30000.

(09-28-2017 02:54 PM)Chipdip2 Wrote:  Sorry guys #Fleckdashians, didn't mean to make you twist in the wind and have to jump on board with the Chips. I never thought I'd see a Broncos #WalmartWaldoFans throw Western under the bus, but I guess when it comes to proping up Peej's #brocoach legacy and piling on Bill Cubit like he's Pitino, you'll even sidle up to your hated rival.

Yep, until Peej arrived we never beat any P5s, we never beat CMU, we never won more than 5 games. Only when Coach Hairgel and the #skankasaurus arrived with the catchy slogans, phony promises, dry-humps at the 50, and ridiculous new traditions (that are already gone), did the Bronco "faithful" #BandwagonBroncos seem satisfied.

Oh please!

Grow-up. This is about Western Michigan University Bronco football, not any individual.

And the nine win team you referenced, was 2000. No MAC Championship and a crushing loss to a CMU team the Broncos were favored to beat by four touchdowns, and should have. Possibly one of the most disappointing seasons to be a Bronco fan because expectations were high, and rightfully so. That team may have been more talented than last year's....

We play for championships and to beat our rival, not mediocrity and embarrassing choke-jobs.

You want to brag to CMU fans about how many runner-up and 3rd and 4th place seasons WMU has had when the Broncos are defending MAC Champs and have beat the SOB's three-in-a-row and 5 of the last 6?! What are you thinking?

Since 1997, WMU has only finished better than 3rd in its division 7 times. Only 5 prior to 2013 and only once during the Cubit years (2006, which was also the first of 5 consecutive CMU losses and put the Broncos out of title contention in October).

Dang, Chipdip2, with your stats, you are entering a knife fight with a toy and leaving a machete on the table.

Go Broncos! Defending MAC Champion! 49-10! In Lester We Trust!

Yeah, I need to grow up and recognize what passes for an adult in 2017.

In 2017
An adult uses catchy cliches

An adult stands in his place of work and pretends he's rowing a boat to inspire his subordinates.

An adult takes credit for success while ignoring the contributions of others.

An adult mugs for the camera as his wife dry humps him after a win.

An adult blames any failures on those who came before him.

An adult thinks solid parenting is facetiming your kids