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(09-19-2017 07:57 PM)GhentFan Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 07:40 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  I'll start out by saying, I don't want Liberty in C-USA. And neither do I want JMU. As a matter of fact I kinda liked "ODU one of only 3 FBS schools in the state of Virginia." But unfortunately that is no more. But that being said, anyone who thinks Liberty is not going to be very successful based on how they performed as an FCS school is not thinking straight, and heres why. You can win 10 consecutive FCS championships and it doesn't matter because at the end of the day you are still an FCS school. No chance at all for a national following. At the FBS level however you have that chance. Liberty could drop 3 million dollars a year on a football coach and not even bat an eye. Same for basketball. Their facilities are top notch and will get better....much better....much better than ours. How many evangelical christians are there in this country? Hell how many in the south alone? Will Liberty get all of them as fans? Of couse not but they have an opportunity to get some, maybe even alot. I read this talk against Liberty on all the CSNBBS sites and do you know what I attribute it to? ENVY that's right JEALOUSY plain and simple. Liberty came up with this idea to market online learning and they have been wildly successfull at it. And whats wrong with that? It allows a man or woman with a family to further their education and improve their lives. I mean really "how evil can you get?" I am afraid that within a decade, maybe sooner, a lot of schools will be looking up at Liberty, (in terms of athletics) maybe even ODU.

Didn't Liberty start it's online stuff in 2009? Gornto was built in 1998 I think for the sole purpose of distance learning.

WGU opened in 1995 as an online school. And the dreaded University of Phoenix started up in 1976. Not really sure how and when the online thing started with them.

All I know is Liberty makes over 100 million a year with online learning. I'd call that wildly successfull. The question I'd ask is how come ODU can't make some of that scratch? I mean,theres your 35K seat stadium right there. And maybe waterfront to boot.

(09-19-2017 08:03 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 07:57 PM)GhentFan Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 07:40 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  I'll start out by saying, I don't want Liberty in C-USA. And neither do I want JMU. As a matter of fact I kinda liked "ODU one of only 3 FBS schools in the state of Virginia." But unfortunately that is no more. But that being said, anyone who thinks Liberty is not going to be very successful based on how they performed as an FCS school is not thinking straight, and heres why. You can win 10 consecutive FCS championships and it doesn't matter because at the end of the day you are still an FCS school. No chance at all for a national following. At the FBS level however you have that chance. Liberty could drop 3 million dollars a year on a football coach and not even bat an eye. Same for basketball. Their facilities are top notch and will get better....much better....much better than ours. How many evangelical christians are there in this country? Hell how many in the south alone? Will Liberty get all of them as fans? Of couse not but they have an opportunity to get some, maybe even alot. I read this talk against Liberty on all the CSNBBS sites and do you know what I attribute it to? ENVY that's right JEALOUSY plain and simple. Liberty came up with this idea to market online learning and they have been wildly successfull at it. And whats wrong with that? It allows a man or woman with a family to further their education and improve their lives. I mean really "how evil can you get?" I am afraid that within a decade, maybe sooner, a lot of schools will be looking up at Liberty, (in terms of athletics) maybe even ODU.

Didn't Liberty start it's online stuff in 2009? Gornto was built in 1998 I think for the sole purpose of distance learning.

WGU opened in 1995 as an online school. And the dreaded University of Phoenix started up in 1976. Not really sure how and when the online thing started with them.

All I know is Liberty makes over 100 million a year with online learning. I'd call that wildly successfull. The question I'd ask is how come ODU can't make some of that scratch? I mean,theres your 35K seat stadium right there. And maybe waterfront to boot.

Admission standards for starters.

(09-19-2017 08:03 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 07:57 PM)GhentFan Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 07:40 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  I'll start out by saying, I don't want Liberty in C-USA. And neither do I want JMU. As a matter of fact I kinda liked "ODU one of only 3 FBS schools in the state of Virginia." But unfortunately that is no more. But that being said, anyone who thinks Liberty is not going to be very successful based on how they performed as an FCS school is not thinking straight, and heres why. You can win 10 consecutive FCS championships and it doesn't matter because at the end of the day you are still an FCS school. No chance at all for a national following. At the FBS level however you have that chance. Liberty could drop 3 million dollars a year on a football coach and not even bat an eye. Same for basketball. Their facilities are top notch and will get better....much better....much better than ours. How many evangelical christians are there in this country? Hell how many in the south alone? Will Liberty get all of them as fans? Of couse not but they have an opportunity to get some, maybe even alot. I read this talk against Liberty on all the CSNBBS sites and do you know what I attribute it to? ENVY that's right JEALOUSY plain and simple. Liberty came up with this idea to market online learning and they have been wildly successfull at it. And whats wrong with that? It allows a man or woman with a family to further their education and improve their lives. I mean really "how evil can you get?" I am afraid that within a decade, maybe sooner, a lot of schools will be looking up at Liberty, (in terms of athletics) maybe even ODU.

Didn't Liberty start it's online stuff in 2009? Gornto was built in 1998 I think for the sole purpose of distance learning.

WGU opened in 1995 as an online school. And the dreaded University of Phoenix started up in 1976. Not really sure how and when the online thing started with them.

All I know is Liberty makes over 100 million a year with online learning. I'd call that wildly successfull. The question I'd ask is how come ODU can't make some of that scratch? I mean,theres your 35K seat stadium right there. And maybe waterfront to boot.

Because unless you charge them an athletics fee the money can't be used for that. Tuition goes to another pot of money. Not so with private schools.

(09-19-2017 08:29 PM)monarx Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 08:03 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 07:57 PM)GhentFan Wrote:  

(09-19-2017 07:40 PM)Old Blue Wrote:  I'll start out by saying, I don't want Liberty in C-USA. And neither do I want JMU. As a matter of fact I kinda liked "ODU one of only 3 FBS schools in the state of Virginia." But unfortunately that is no more. But that being said, anyone who thinks Liberty is not going to be very successful based on how they performed as an FCS school is not thinking straight, and heres why. You can win 10 consecutive FCS championships and it doesn't matter because at the end of the day you are still an FCS school. No chance at all for a national following. At the FBS level however you have that chance. Liberty could drop 3 million dollars a year on a football coach and not even bat an eye. Same for basketball. Their facilities are top notch and will get better....much better....much better than ours. How many evangelical christians are there in this country? Hell how many in the south alone? Will Liberty get all of them as fans? Of couse not but they have an opportunity to get some, maybe even alot. I read this talk against Liberty on all the CSNBBS sites and do you know what I attribute it to? ENVY that's right JEALOUSY plain and simple. Liberty came up with this idea to market online learning and they have been wildly successfull at it. And whats wrong with that? It allows a man or woman with a family to further their education and improve their lives. I mean really "how evil can you get?" I am afraid that within a decade, maybe sooner, a lot of schools will be looking up at Liberty, (in terms of athletics) maybe even ODU.

Didn't Liberty start it's online stuff in 2009? Gornto was built in 1998 I think for the sole purpose of distance learning.

WGU opened in 1995 as an online school. And the dreaded University of Phoenix started up in 1976. Not really sure how and when the online thing started with them.

All I know is Liberty makes over 100 million a year with online learning. I'd call that wildly successfull. The question I'd ask is how come ODU can't make some of that scratch? I mean,theres your 35K seat stadium right there. And maybe waterfront to boot.

Because unless you charge them an athletics fee the money can't be used for that. Tuition goes to another pot of money. Not so with private schools.

Ahhh, I did not know that. Thanks for the education. Theres got to be some legal way around that I would think.

When I first read this thread I didn't give the Harry - Liberty relationship much credence. But I was listening to the weekly video that he and Ed do and he refers to Liberty as "us" at the 17:34 mark. He was referencing the $24M Liberty offered to join CUSA. May have been a Freudian slip but it disturbed me a little to hear that. Especially since I understand he did not graduate from Liberty. I didn't even want to care about this but now for some reason I do. I didn't even feel strongly one way or the other about Liberty joining except that there are no openings anyway.

Liberty in the last month:
9/23: 31-10 loss at Jacksonville St
9/30: 13-7 loss vs. St. Francis (PA)
10/14: 42-28 loss to Kennesaw St
10/21: Losing at Monmouth 35-19 at halftime

anything from Harry: nope

But...

...they have a P5 win.

Harry recently retweeted this:

Final: Monmouth 56, Liberty 39. Flames are 3-4, have lost 4 straight for the first time since Gill’s first 4 games as coach in 2012.

But I do love me a good conspiracy theory.

(10-21-2017 04:42 PM)odu09 Wrote:  Harry recently retweeted this:

Final: Monmouth 56, Liberty 39. Flames are 3-4, have lost 4 straight for the first time since Gill’s first 4 games as coach in 2012.

But I do love me a good conspiracy theory.

I asked him for an update (knowing the answer) when I made my post and he made the RT later.

He's not on the take but I thought the silence was interesting.

(10-21-2017 01:41 PM)devyanks90 Wrote:  Liberty in the last month:
9/23: 31-10 loss at Jacksonville St
9/30: 13-7 loss vs. St. Francis (PA)
10/14: 42-28 loss to Kennesaw St
10/21: Losing at Monmouth 35-19 at halftime

anything from Harry: nope

Looks as if Harry is damned if he does, and damned if he doesn't.

Not really the best place for it but not sure it rises to the level of being its own thread: The Pilot is cutting nearly 10 percent of its staff through buyouts and, presuming they don't get enough people to take the buyout, layoffs. Among changes that you'll be most likely to notice: earlier deadlines (which will absolutely hurt the sports product in the print edition), and the possibility that they may farm out their news design, something for which they are known and respected internationally among journalists and designers.

No clue if sports will be affected by staffing cuts. 10 percent of the company is about 54 people, but sports is pretty barebones as it is, so I suspect the only way they get hit is if someone takes a buyout. But I've been wrong about how layoffs have worked there. Boy, have I been wrong.

Local sports and news is one of the few reasons people read the paper at all. They can't cut that. It's their differentiator. Somehow, they need to buy out the Daily Press too.

Irony: Here's last week's article from Raleigh & Co, which is going under, praising the Pilot for not doing what it said it was going to do yesterday.

https://raleighco.com/media-circus/print...m-pushing/

(10-23-2017 11:38 PM)monarx Wrote:  Local sports and news is one of the few reasons people read the paper at all. They can't cut that. It's their differentiator. Somehow, they need to buy out the Daily Press too.

Earlier deadlines will kill local sports for the print edition. See article I linked above.