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(11-01-2017 07:56 AM)odu09 Wrote:  Towson might actually be pretty good this year too. Just want to say it here first in case we lose the home opener that we all don't completely lose our minds in early November. Some have picked them to win CAA

We are 27-2 all time vs Towson.

(11-01-2017 08:09 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 07:56 AM)odu09 Wrote:  Towson might actually be pretty good this year too. Just want to say it here first in case we lose the home opener that we all don't completely lose our minds in early November. Some have picked them to win CAA

There are no excuses for losing to Towson. Ever.

What about William and Mary?

Towson will be a good test and measuring point from us early in the year. Return 4 starters from a fringe top 100 team from last year. Their backcourt will be a good test for our young guys. (if they play much)

http://www.odusports.com/fls/31100/2016-...M_ID=31100

Here is last years media guide. this years should be coming out soon.

(11-01-2017 08:28 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 08:09 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 07:56 AM)odu09 Wrote:  Towson might actually be pretty good this year too. Just want to say it here first in case we lose the home opener that we all don't completely lose our minds in early November. Some have picked them to win CAA

There are no excuses for losing to Towson. Ever.

What about William and Mary?

I would not say there is no excuse to lose to them ever, they field some solid teams. But, there is definitely no excuse for an extended losing streak against them.

(11-01-2017 08:55 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 08:28 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 08:09 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 07:56 AM)odu09 Wrote:  Towson might actually be pretty good this year too. Just want to say it here first in case we lose the home opener that we all don't completely lose our minds in early November. Some have picked them to win CAA

There are no excuses for losing to Towson. Ever.

What about William and Mary?

I would not say there is no excuse to lose to them ever, they field some solid teams. But, there is definitely no excuse for an extended losing streak against them.

So it's okay to lose to W&M when they field solid teams, but when Towson fields a solid team we can't lose to them? Just trying to follow. Agreed on the streak.

Let's just not lose to Towson, ok. The notion that they could be a solid team is more reason not to lose to them.

I'm actually not that worried about Towson and I think we will perform fine in Charleston. JJ's history tells us he has a tendency to overcoach his teams. In other words, when they are doing well, he fixes what isn't broke instead of letting it ride. As a result, his teams tend to perform well early, underperform in December and January, and perform better down the stretch. I think we beat Towson, but I bet we lose to Richmond and Fairfield.

We should not lost to Townson or W&M no matter how good of a team they have. We will always be better than them. I think we go 10-2 in non conference play.

(11-01-2017 09:10 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 08:55 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 08:28 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 08:09 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 07:56 AM)odu09 Wrote:  Towson might actually be pretty good this year too. Just want to say it here first in case we lose the home opener that we all don't completely lose our minds in early November. Some have picked them to win CAA

There are no excuses for losing to Towson. Ever.

What about William and Mary?

I would not say there is no excuse to lose to them ever, they field some solid teams. But, there is definitely no excuse for an extended losing streak against them.

So it's okay to lose to W&M when they field solid teams, but when Towson fields a solid team we can't lose to them? Just trying to follow. Agreed on the streak.

if you consider 115 a good team...

(11-01-2017 09:25 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 09:10 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 08:55 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 08:28 AM)odu09 Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 08:09 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  There are no excuses for losing to Towson. Ever.

What about William and Mary?

I would not say there is no excuse to lose to them ever, they field some solid teams. But, there is definitely no excuse for an extended losing streak against them.

So it's okay to lose to W&M when they field solid teams, but when Towson fields a solid team we can't lose to them? Just trying to follow. Agreed on the streak.

if you consider 115 a good team...

I'd rather judge a team by how they do in their conference rather than preseason ranks. Where are we in that ranking, 113?

I guess this Si ranking has served its purpose, to generate conversation. Otherwise, it's bull****. Do you really think their writers spend all that much time analyzing teams after the first 50 or so? I don't. They have no more idea of who's going to do what than you or I do.

As far as losing sometimes to W&M and/or Towson, some of you are so stuck in the past and the way things used to be it's unbelievable. You probably think LBJ is still president. You act like it's impossible for other schools to put money into their programs, to recruit better, to hire good coaches, to actually try to compete. As the saying goes, they give scholarships, too.

The fact that Towson has improved their terrible program does not mean that we should not have improved ours as well. Hell, all we had to do is keep up our commitment and not get worse, and we would still be significantly ahead of their improved program. And of course it was hyperbole to say we should NEVER lose to Towson, but I also think it is realistic to say that we should never be okay with losing to Towson.

(11-01-2017 06:22 AM)Mo Blue Den You Wrote:  Hey we had a closed scrimmage against GW right? I know it was closed but anyone get word of stats, or talk to any coaches/assistants? I know the black and piss yellow squad up 64 played and lost to Georgetown.

ANY WORD ON OURS?

Nothing has been posted about the scrimmage but I got some info last night about it. No stats involved but just comments.

We won by 24. Scored 80 points. Our D locked them down.

Caver- Dominated the game
Haynes- "Got a lot better over the offseason"
Brandan and Porter- Played very well
Xavier Green- Hit three 3's
Godwin- Was the surprise of the game. Hit shots.
Hueitt- Struggled defensively

That's all I got.

Edit: One more...."This starting 5 is the most talented we have had since Jones became coach"

(11-01-2017 09:45 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  The fact that Towson has improved their terrible program does not mean that we should not have improved ours as well. Hell, all we had to do is keep up our commitment and not get worse, and we would still be significantly ahead of their improved program. And of course it was hyperbole to say we should NEVER lose to Towson, but I also think it is realistic to say that we should never be okay with losing to Towson.

Towson is projected to finish 2nd in the CAA.

(11-01-2017 09:56 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 09:45 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  The fact that Towson has improved their terrible program does not mean that we should not have improved ours as well. Hell, all we had to do is keep up our commitment and not get worse, and we would still be significantly ahead of their improved program. And of course it was hyperbole to say we should NEVER lose to Towson, but I also think it is realistic to say that we should never be okay with losing to Towson.

Towson is projected to finish 2nd in the CAA.

That does not change my opinion. I would expect us to win the diminished CAA.

No worries on Towson. I had a dream last night we won the opener 149-49.

(11-01-2017 09:45 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  The fact that Towson has improved their terrible program does not mean that we should not have improved ours as well. Hell, all we had to do is keep up our commitment and not get worse, and we would still be significantly ahead of their improved program. And of course it was hyperbole to say we should NEVER lose to Towson, but I also think it is realistic to say that we should never be okay with losing to Towson.

Between you and Raman Noodles, I don't know who slings around more hyperbole. It might be boring, but try saying what you really mean instead of having people have to figure it out. I'm not OK losing to any of our opponents; few of us are.

And we are very much in the process of improving ours, with more to come, I'd dare say.

I guess we will see. Based on JJ's record it would be major change if we were to see a great deal of improvement sustained. This is the easy part, going from mediocre to decent. I will be very surprised and eating an oversized helping of crow if we see sustained high level success under a coach who has never in 20+ years been able to accomplish that.

(11-01-2017 10:12 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  I guess we will see. Based on JJ's record it would be major change if we were to see a great deal of improvement sustained. This is the easy part, going from mediocre to decent. I will be very surprised and eating an oversized helping of crow if we see sustained high level success under a coach who has never in 20+ years been able to accomplish that.

Recruiting points to that it is happening. Now, will the coaching style allow this progress? Every head coach needs to either 1). Recruit players that fit your system...or 2) Adapt to the players that you have recruited that don't fit your system. Will Jones adapt? These guys are GREAT in transition. Let them go coach.

(11-01-2017 10:18 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(11-01-2017 10:12 AM)Monarchblue Wrote:  I guess we will see. Based on JJ's record it would be major change if we were to see a great deal of improvement sustained. This is the easy part, going from mediocre to decent. I will be very surprised and eating an oversized helping of crow if we see sustained high level success under a coach who has never in 20+ years been able to accomplish that.

Recruiting points to that it is happening. Now, will the coaching style allow this progress? Every head coach needs to either 1). Recruit players that fit your system...or 2) Adapt to the players that you have recruited that don't fit your system. Will Jones adapt? These guys are GREAT in transition. Let them go coach.

The other thing to consider is that he has had a handful of very good teams over is 20 years, but always returns to mediocrity in the long run. Are we just seeing one of those occasional good cycles? I sure hope not, because 1 or 2 good years getting us another 5 bad years would be the worst possible scenario to me. I would rather suck for one more year and make a change than just see him do enough to keep his job then revert back to mediocrity.

Also, the recruiting has been solid, and compared to what we have seen up until the last 2 classes is very good, but it is still not ranked at the top of CUSA. I guess we will see where we are after the most recent commit, but prior to that, this year's class was 4th. That is not killing it unless you only compare it to his previous classes.