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Apparently the NCAA is allowing teams to play and donate the proceeds to Hurricane Relief organizations. VCU picked Puerto Rico to get the money at $15 a pop and 3,400 or so people.

2 weeks til the season starts vs Towson.

Can't wait to see this team tonight. Should be interesting.

(10-27-2017 05:30 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 08:36 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Playing zone for young defenders makes sense because it is easier to play defense. Though, he can take some serious work to perform well.

Completely disagree on the rebounding aspect. Have never seen anyone opine you can rebound better in zone.

I thought the mantra over the last several years was that we didn't play zone because it was too complicated and maybe we'd see a little later in the year as they put in time to learn it? Now I'm triple guessing myself.

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Probably more of the case of being better at man defense than zone. Ideally, you have length to defend in the zone. This year the zone *seems to be just trying to hide the incoming players on defense because there man to man defense isn't going well.

They might not play well in the zone, but there are a lot of teams that hide defenders in a zone. Primarily the teams with the slow, white 3 point specialists...aka JJ Redick.

(10-27-2017 09:25 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Can't wait to see this team tonight. Should be interesting.

Wait, what is going on tonight?

(10-27-2017 09:28 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-27-2017 09:25 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Can't wait to see this team tonight. Should be interesting.

Wait, what is going on tonight?

Open practice from 5 to 7 at the Ted. Meet and greet after. Plus, you can tour the practice facility during. Just need to be a STH or the guest of one.

(10-27-2017 09:33 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(10-27-2017 09:28 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-27-2017 09:25 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Can't wait to see this team tonight. Should be interesting.

Wait, what is going on tonight?

Open practice from 5 to 7 at the Ted. Meet and greet after. Plus, you can tour the practice facility during. Just need to be a STH or the guest of one.

STH?

Season ticket holder...got it.

(10-27-2017 05:30 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 08:36 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Playing zone for young defenders makes sense because it is easier to play defense. Though, he can take some serious work to perform well.

Completely disagree on the rebounding aspect. Have never seen anyone opine you can rebound better in zone.

I thought the mantra over the last several years was that we didn't play zone because it was too complicated and maybe we'd see a little later in the year as they put in time to learn it? Now I'm triple guessing myself.

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You're not wrong about that. There was a poster that pushed the story line of zone being so much harder to play than man-to-man. The only thing that made it harder was coach Jones' reluctance to mix things up any defensively and move away from the man-to-man once in a while.

Zone defense is no more difficult to play than man-to-man. High school teams manage to play both. So could ODU if they wanted.

(10-27-2017 09:44 AM)757ODU Wrote:  

(10-27-2017 09:33 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  

(10-27-2017 09:28 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-27-2017 09:25 AM)ODUDrunkard13 Wrote:  Can't wait to see this team tonight. Should be interesting.

Wait, what is going on tonight?

Open practice from 5 to 7 at the Ted. Meet and greet after. Plus, you can tour the practice facility during. Just need to be a STH or the guest of one.

STH?

Season ticket holder...got it.

They sent invites last week. Dr. Chandler wrote about it earlier this week;
http://csnbbs.com/thread-827497-post-146...id14695082

(10-27-2017 09:49 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(10-27-2017 05:30 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 08:36 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Playing zone for young defenders makes sense because it is easier to play defense. Though, he can take some serious work to perform well.

Completely disagree on the rebounding aspect. Have never seen anyone opine you can rebound better in zone.

I thought the mantra over the last several years was that we didn't play zone because it was too complicated and maybe we'd see a little later in the year as they put in time to learn it? Now I'm triple guessing myself.

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You're not wrong about that. There was a poster that pushed the story line of zone being so much harder to play than man-to-man. The only thing that made it harder was coach Jones' reluctance to mix things up any defensively and move away from the man-to-man once in a while.

Zone defense is no more difficult to play than man-to-man. High school teams manage to play both. So could ODU if they wanted.

The question is...Do you want to play zone when you are an elite man to man defensive team?

(10-27-2017 09:49 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(10-27-2017 05:30 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 08:36 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Playing zone for young defenders makes sense because it is easier to play defense. Though, he can take some serious work to perform well.

Completely disagree on the rebounding aspect. Have never seen anyone opine you can rebound better in zone.

I thought the mantra over the last several years was that we didn't play zone because it was too complicated and maybe we'd see a little later in the year as they put in time to learn it? Now I'm triple guessing myself.

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You're not wrong about that. There was a poster that pushed the story line of zone being so much harder to play than man-to-man. The only thing that made it harder was coach Jones' reluctance to mix things up any defensively and move away from the man-to-man once in a while.

Zone defense is no more difficult to play than man-to-man. High school teams manage to play both. So could ODU if they wanted.

Its not really that difficult of a concept. For us to play as well in zone as we have in M2M over the past few years, we would have had to have a tremendous zone defense. Without practicing it non stop, why would we play zone when our M2M was so good?

This year we have added offensive weapons and the defense is going to take a dive. It makes sense to try some zone to mask Godwin/Hueit and others.

(10-27-2017 07:36 AM)ODU804 Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 07:47 PM)blewbyu Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 07:32 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 07:16 PM)Fatalisk Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 07:15 PM)bit_9 Wrote:  It was reported he was done for the season the other day.

Posted from mobile device. Hopefully it's coherent.

Stith, Porter.... Anyone else? Damn

I think it was a poster that said it, haven't seen anything official. (unless I missed it)

Stith with play 4/5, Porter will play 5. Carver and BJ will play some 4.

I posted it... Kah has a back issue and is likely out for the year...Which means his career at ODU is likely over....Now let's get back to the playing zone defense because you can rebound better out of a zone...That is the whole reason we are playing any zone at all. We will only be playing zone when we have the small lineup in the game. The only time Brandon or Porter will play any zone is when they are in the 4 guard lineup so the new young guns can have some playing time. The new players are not ready to play big time defense yet. Maybe later in the year but not now. It is easier to box out playing zone than man to man because you can see the floor better and you know when the shot goes up so you box out whoever is in your area of the zone defense.

I've watched a lot of basketball over the years and have always heard the exact opposite. Commentators have always said that it is more difficult to rebound out of a zone because it is more difficult to find someone to box out.

There are a few main reasons to play zone. One is that your opponent can't hit outside shots...which is why people have liked to play zone against us the last couple years. A second is that you don't match up well on a size basis from a man to man defensive basis...which would be why we would choose to play zone with a 4 guard line-up. A third is to protect your big men who are in foul trouble. We may need to employ this due to our lack of depth in the post.

Nice post about a few of the reasons for playing zone. I would add a fourth reason which is to allow you to play some players together that you would not be able to play together as well in the man-to-man.

Coach Jones stated last year that he didn't want to play Brandan and Porter together because neither had the ability to guard out on the perimeter in the man-to-man. Since most teams typically have a guy in the low post to defend he chose to (for the most part) limit those two to playing one at a time to defend that low post player with Denzel chasing the power forward around the court in the man-to-man. I mentioned to him that he should maybe consider mixing in some zone to get both big men into the game together more, but being a staunch man-to-man coach, it didn't happen. Maybe this season that will change and we will see more flexibility on defense. Guess we will see soon enough if a leopard can change its spots.

(10-27-2017 09:59 AM)Gilesfan Wrote:  

(10-27-2017 09:49 AM)ODU BBALL Wrote:  

(10-27-2017 05:30 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  

(10-26-2017 08:36 PM)Gilesfan Wrote:  Playing zone for young defenders makes sense because it is easier to play defense. Though, he can take some serious work to perform well.

Completely disagree on the rebounding aspect. Have never seen anyone opine you can rebound better in zone.

I thought the mantra over the last several years was that we didn't play zone because it was too complicated and maybe we'd see a little later in the year as they put in time to learn it? Now I'm triple guessing myself.

Sent from my SM-G955U using Tapatalk

You're not wrong about that. There was a poster that pushed the story line of zone being so much harder to play than man-to-man. The only thing that made it harder was coach Jones' reluctance to mix things up any defensively and move away from the man-to-man once in a while.

Zone defense is no more difficult to play than man-to-man. High school teams manage to play both. So could ODU if they wanted.

Its not really that difficult of a concept. For us to play as well in zone as we have in M2M over the past few years, we would have had to have a tremendous zone defense. Without practicing it non stop, why would we play zone when our M2M was so good?

This year we have added offensive weapons and the defense is going to take a dive. It makes sense to try some zone to mask Godwin/Hueit and others.

Of course the other side of that coin is that it limited us on the other (offensive) end of the court, and we could often have used some help offensively. Kah (for example) almost never saw the floor and we were told that it was because he was not a good man-to-man defender in Jones' defensive system. Arguably our two best defenders (Baker & Taylor) were also arguably among our two worst offensive performers, but they played big minutes because of their efficiency in playing man-to-man defense.

How was Blaine able to run multiple defenses and frequently switch them and make adjustments throughout the game and have also be known to have good defensive teams? Granted, his offensive teams generally sucked as well, but if JJ is only running one defense, it seems he would have more time to focus on offense? Did Blaine work harder? I guess I am confused on how JJ would require practice non-stop on zone to effectively mix it in when we know it has been done in the past.

(10-27-2017 08:40 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  Liberty is actually supposed to be decent this year (relatively speaking). They are even ranked higher than us in that poll where we got a 191. Nice to see VCU get steamrolled, but it is just an exhibition. I believe they actually lost to Virginia State or Virginia Union one year where they made the tournament... and it may have even been their Final Four year. That said, I hope they sustain this level of suckiness all season.

Last year they lost to Queens (NC) in an exhibition. Queens went 30-4 that season and reached the Sweet 16 of the Division 2 tournament, but still, D2.

They'll be fine, most likely, but there's a lot of new parts that have to come together in the OOC. I fully expect a barnburner against ODU.

(10-27-2017 10:46 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  How was Blaine able to run multiple defenses and frequently switch them and make adjustments throughout the game and have also be known to have good defensive teams? Granted, his offensive teams generally sucked as well, but if JJ is only running one defense, it seems he would have more time to focus on offense? Did Blaine work harder? I guess I am confused on how JJ would require practice non-stop on zone to effectively mix it in when we know it has been done in the past.

Blaine's level of bad offense doesn't even begin to compare to JJ's level of bad offense.

(10-27-2017 12:02 PM)Monarchblue Wrote:  

(10-27-2017 10:46 AM)EverRespect Wrote:  How was Blaine able to run multiple defenses and frequently switch them and make adjustments throughout the game and have also be known to have good defensive teams? Granted, his offensive teams generally sucked as well, but if JJ is only running one defense, it seems he would have more time to focus on offense? Did Blaine work harder? I guess I am confused on how JJ would require practice non-stop on zone to effectively mix it in when we know it has been done in the past.

Blaine's level of bad offense doesn't even begin to compare to JJ's level of bad offense.

Or maybe BT (when sober) was a better coach.

ODU picked to finish 4th in CUSA preseason poll;
https://twitter.com/ConferenceUSA/status...0259997696

Ed reports we're having a closed scrimmage at GW tomorrow;
https://twitter.com/edmillervp/status/92...0506115072

Any word on scrimmage