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RE: ESPN Football Analyst Walks Away, Disturbed by Brain Trauma on Field
(08-31-2017 09:54 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
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(08-30-2017 02:37 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  NFL is on a death spiral, soon it will be gone as an organization.

If that happens, it's not stopping with the NFL.

I'm not so sure about that. There are some substantial reasons that the networks really stepped up their investment in college athletics.

Part of it has had to do with demographic shifts. The NFL was built on blue collar associations. That segment of our society has disproportionately declined and the cost of NFL attendance has spiked. So there was going to be an inevitable decline from their peak popularity. Also the NFL has become a very costly enterprise to keep going, and consequently to broadcast. Their rights are top dollar and with Millennials also tuning out to many sports that high maintenance product could be more affordably replaced by College Football.

I do think that is why realignment has heated up. The networks are basically shaping their substitute. It doesn't have the high salary maintenance, doesn't have the liability that the NFL does, and it contains and perpetuates its own fan base. As workers quit identifying with the local pro sports franchise, students seldom quit identifying with their schools, and alumni tend to remain loyal for a lifetime.

So college football is cheaper. And, if the NFL isn't the end game, and full contact is limited to high school and college then the long term exposure to risk can be curtailed to 8 years.

What that would mean however is that the focus of the student athlete would have to change, and perhaps for the better.

But we will see how quickly this plays out. The NFL will be around a while longer, but if college football can become a more economical product to produce the NFL might just price itself out of existence. If so the NBA and MLB had better take note. We'll see.

The NBA is ultra popular and only getting more so. They'll continue to be relevant because of star power.

Ratings for basketball in general are dipping. March madness seems to holding its own. And the NBA finals are still doing fine, but the rest of the season, not so much.

Well I tried a link that just takes you to a general page for SportsBusinessDaily instead of to the article and the navigation from that page is convoluted. So just google NBA TV Ratings year over year and what you will find is that the regular season saw a double digit decline in 2016-7 but the finals saw an increase. The numbers for college basektball are not quite that stark but are trending the same way. The regular season numbers are down but the tournament numbers are still strong.
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(08-30-2017 09:38 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(08-30-2017 04:04 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
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(08-30-2017 03:37 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(08-30-2017 02:37 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  NFL is on a death spiral, soon it will be gone as an organization.

Too bad we don't always get what we want.

I'm not saying I want it to end. The NFL and its multi-millionaire players are turning away the fan base with all of its antics.

Really, show us this fan base that is being driven away.

Jacksonville
Oakland
St Louis
Buffalo
Detroit
Cincinnati
Cleveland
Chicago


P.S. You better hope you are wrong about the NFL fan slippage because if not, USC will be hurt badly by 2 new NFL teams in their town.

So how exactly are antics driving those fan bases away?Where is the data that supports this? You just posted a bunch of cities.

Angry internet posters is not antics eliminating a fan base.
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RE: ESPN Football Analyst Walks Away, Disturbed by Brain Trauma on Field
(08-30-2017 05:00 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(08-30-2017 04:04 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(08-30-2017 03:56 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(08-30-2017 03:37 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(08-30-2017 02:37 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  NFL is on a death spiral, soon it will be gone as an organization.

Too bad we don't always get what we want.

I'm not saying I want it to end. The NFL and its multi-millionaire players are turning away the fan base with all of its antics.

Really, show us this fan base that is being driven away.

I guess you haven't heard the sharp decrease in TV ratings. Might want to pay attention to that.

That has nothing to do with antics. And more to do with the internet.

Young people feel entitled to getting things for free via streaming. And the NFL has not migrated to being a streaming service yet so it's difficult to measure how much people want or do not want to watch it.

Once the NFL becomes available on things like Netflix, Hulu, etc my generation will be included in viewership measurements.
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(08-31-2017 10:03 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-31-2017 09:28 AM)Shox Wrote:  
(08-31-2017 08:36 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Let's face it: He's right, the science is showing that football is "unsafe at any speed", it's a dumb game for anyone who isn't a place kicker to play. I wouldn't let my kids play it.

I admit I still love watching it, and likely will as long as guys are playing football. But it's like smoking, just an unwise thing to do.

How would you feel about your kids working in construction, as a police officer, a fireman, military, in the oil field, etc, etc. There is risk in just about everything. Calling football "unsafe at any speed" is about as sad and Millenial as anything I have ever heard. Good luck in your cubicle.

Those things aren't guaranteed to harm you. That is, if you are a police officer, you may get killed in the line of duty, but it's also possible to serve honorably for 32 years (as a beat cop, not in an office) and retire without ever having gotten a scratch on you, as my father-in-law did.

In contrast, it is apparently impossible to play football and not suffer brain damage. That is basically 100% certain. In that sense, it's much more like smoking. Every hit you take or deliver on the field kills brain cells.

But the fact is the danger is still present. And people have created this artificial line of oh, "that kind of danger is bad". Cops have the potential to get shot at, get into car crashes, get into fights (where they get punched in the head), get exposed to drugs, have things thrown at them, and many other dangers. If you retire without ever having a scratch on you it's because you actively avoided danger.

I mean just look at this chart if you think being a cop is not more dangerous than playing football. http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fata...oogle.com/

I mean seriously, I'm not trying to poke fun of officers but someone died on a freaking horse in 2016.
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RE: ESPN Football Analyst Walks Away, Disturbed by Brain Trauma on Field
(08-31-2017 10:59 AM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-31-2017 09:54 AM)Gamecock Wrote:  
(08-30-2017 03:25 PM)JRsec Wrote:  
(08-30-2017 03:12 PM)Hokie4Skins Wrote:  
(08-30-2017 02:37 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  NFL is on a death spiral, soon it will be gone as an organization.

If that happens, it's not stopping with the NFL.

I'm not so sure about that. There are some substantial reasons that the networks really stepped up their investment in college athletics.

Part of it has had to do with demographic shifts. The NFL was built on blue collar associations. That segment of our society has disproportionately declined and the cost of NFL attendance has spiked. So there was going to be an inevitable decline from their peak popularity. Also the NFL has become a very costly enterprise to keep going, and consequently to broadcast. Their rights are top dollar and with Millennials also tuning out to many sports that high maintenance product could be more affordably replaced by College Football.

I do think that is why realignment has heated up. The networks are basically shaping their substitute. It doesn't have the high salary maintenance, doesn't have the liability that the NFL does, and it contains and perpetuates its own fan base. As workers quit identifying with the local pro sports franchise, students seldom quit identifying with their schools, and alumni tend to remain loyal for a lifetime.

So college football is cheaper. And, if the NFL isn't the end game, and full contact is limited to high school and college then the long term exposure to risk can be curtailed to 8 years.

What that would mean however is that the focus of the student athlete would have to change, and perhaps for the better.

But we will see how quickly this plays out. The NFL will be around a while longer, but if college football can become a more economical product to produce the NFL might just price itself out of existence. If so the NBA and MLB had better take note. We'll see.

The NBA is ultra popular and only getting more so. They'll continue to be relevant because of star power.

Ratings for basketball in general are dipping. March madness seems to holding its own. And the NBA finals are still doing fine, but the rest of the season, not so much.

Well I tried a link that just takes you to a general page for SportsBusinessDaily instead of to the article and the navigation from that page is convoluted. So just google NBA TV Ratings year over year and what you will find is that the regular season saw a double digit decline in 2016-7 but the finals saw an increase. The numbers for college basektball are not quite that stark but are trending the same way. The regular season numbers are down but the tournament numbers are still strong.

It's the same across all sports, I'm not sure why the anti-football crowd act like it's just football. Millennials have grown up on things being free and expect things to be free. Try to get someone who is 18 to pay for software these days, they will literally commit a crime (pirating) before paying 5 dollars for something they need.

Millennials tend to find interest in the final few games of sports such as basketball and football because of the social media presence that comes with it.
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RE: ESPN Football Analyst Walks Away, Disturbed by Brain Trauma on Field
(08-31-2017 11:18 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(08-31-2017 10:03 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-31-2017 09:28 AM)Shox Wrote:  
(08-31-2017 08:36 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Let's face it: He's right, the science is showing that football is "unsafe at any speed", it's a dumb game for anyone who isn't a place kicker to play. I wouldn't let my kids play it.

I admit I still love watching it, and likely will as long as guys are playing football. But it's like smoking, just an unwise thing to do.

How would you feel about your kids working in construction, as a police officer, a fireman, military, in the oil field, etc, etc. There is risk in just about everything. Calling football "unsafe at any speed" is about as sad and Millenial as anything I have ever heard. Good luck in your cubicle.

Those things aren't guaranteed to harm you. That is, if you are a police officer, you may get killed in the line of duty, but it's also possible to serve honorably for 32 years (as a beat cop, not in an office) and retire without ever having gotten a scratch on you, as my father-in-law did.

In contrast, it is apparently impossible to play football and not suffer brain damage. That is basically 100% certain. In that sense, it's much more like smoking. Every hit you take or deliver on the field kills brain cells.

But the fact is the danger is still present. And people have created this artificial line of oh, "that kind of danger is bad". Cops have the potential to get shot at, get into car crashes, get into fights (where they get punched in the head), get exposed to drugs, have things thrown at them, and many other dangers. If you retire without ever having a scratch on you it's because you actively avoided danger.

I mean just look at this chart if you think being a cop is not more dangerous than playing football. http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fata...oogle.com/

I mean seriously, I'm not trying to poke fun of officers but someone died on a freaking horse in 2016.

That's just "what-about-ism", trying to change the subject by saying, "Yeah, but what about _________". It's no different than what the NFL is doing by spending its "research money" on anything but studying CTE in football players - instead of looking at football players, the NFL funded a study on CTE in horse racing jockeys. It's just avoiding the subject.

The article that I mentioned above has the correct conclusion: American football is like boxing. The risks are obvious and very serious, but athletes will keep participating as long as the fans and the money are there.
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(08-30-2017 11:31 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I would agree with you on your profile for Millennials and Globals with one exception. They aren't logical.

I think this description is divisive for exactly what you say. I was deliberate in putting it next to skeptical. There is a distrust or distaste for what is unseen, a lack of faith, or an expectation with structure and authority. Prone to irreverence if leadership or institutions fail them if charged with a function. An expectation that process is followed.

Like, I look at these generations from the lens of job satisfaction and the havoc they cause organizations when they are more likely to leave if unsatisfied. That there is more to a job than money; an understanding of the budgeting of time with respect to commitment to a function. Millennials and Globals can be perceived as irrational, selfish, and entitled...that whole "love it or leave it" thing; these guys will leave it. They don't give a crap about that "but, what happens when..." virtually every other generation would defer. Very tied to a simple, explainable "if-then" cause and effect kind of thinking. Not necessarily flushed out, but more direct and distinguishable than the over-thought perpetuated by previous generations.

Football, when viewed through this lens of its terrible life-long consequences; a possible death sentence...yeah, it's a quick verdict. Football, to these guys, was already too expensive to access, over-saturated (pro, college, high school, and arena), and, had its profit structure and player conditions exposed. There isn't a tolerance to the sport. There is a special kind of disdain over the business of it. I think college football has made that worse for the pros.
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RE: ESPN Football Analyst Walks Away, Disturbed by Brain Trauma on Field
(08-30-2017 09:38 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(08-30-2017 04:04 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(08-30-2017 03:56 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(08-30-2017 03:37 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(08-30-2017 02:37 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  NFL is on a death spiral, soon it will be gone as an organization.

Too bad we don't always get what we want.

I'm not saying I want it to end. The NFL and its multi-millionaire players are turning away the fan base with all of its antics.

Really, show us this fan base that is being driven away.

Jacksonville
Oakland
St Louis
Buffalo
Detroit
Cincinnati
Cleveland
Chicago


P.S. You better hope you are wrong about the NFL fan slippage because if not, USC will be hurt badly by 2 new NFL teams in their town.

So that has nothing to do with multi-millionaire players and the antics (read:Kaepernick) and is the greedy owners...
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There is an inevitability to tastes in sports changing.
100 years ago or so the big three were baseball, horse racing and boxing.
100 before that cricket and horse racing.

The old college all-star game existed in part to "prove" pro football was at least as good as college football.
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(08-30-2017 09:38 PM)billybobby777 Wrote:  
(08-30-2017 04:04 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(08-30-2017 03:56 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  
(08-30-2017 03:37 PM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(08-30-2017 02:37 PM)MWC Tex Wrote:  NFL is on a death spiral, soon it will be gone as an organization.

Too bad we don't always get what we want.

I'm not saying I want it to end. The NFL and its multi-millionaire players are turning away the fan base with all of its antics.

Really, show us this fan base that is being driven away.

Jacksonville
Oakland
St Louis
Buffalo
Detroit
Cincinnati
Cleveland
Chicago


P.S. You better hope you are wrong about the NFL fan slippage because if not, USC will be hurt badly by 2 new NFL teams in their town.

Chicago?
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(08-31-2017 11:18 AM)TrojanCampaign Wrote:  
(08-31-2017 10:03 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  
(08-31-2017 09:28 AM)Shox Wrote:  
(08-31-2017 08:36 AM)quo vadis Wrote:  Let's face it: He's right, the science is showing that football is "unsafe at any speed", it's a dumb game for anyone who isn't a place kicker to play. I wouldn't let my kids play it.

I admit I still love watching it, and likely will as long as guys are playing football. But it's like smoking, just an unwise thing to do.

How would you feel about your kids working in construction, as a police officer, a fireman, military, in the oil field, etc, etc. There is risk in just about everything. Calling football "unsafe at any speed" is about as sad and Millenial as anything I have ever heard. Good luck in your cubicle.

Those things aren't guaranteed to harm you. That is, if you are a police officer, you may get killed in the line of duty, but it's also possible to serve honorably for 32 years (as a beat cop, not in an office) and retire without ever having gotten a scratch on you, as my father-in-law did.

In contrast, it is apparently impossible to play football and not suffer brain damage. That is basically 100% certain. In that sense, it's much more like smoking. Every hit you take or deliver on the field kills brain cells.

But the fact is the danger is still present. And people have created this artificial line of oh, "that kind of danger is bad". Cops have the potential to get shot at, get into car crashes, get into fights (where they get punched in the head), get exposed to drugs, have things thrown at them, and many other dangers. If you retire without ever having a scratch on you it's because you actively avoided danger.

I mean just look at this chart if you think being a cop is not more dangerous than playing football. http://www.nleomf.org/facts/officer-fata...oogle.com/

I mean seriously, I'm not trying to poke fun of officers but someone died on a freaking horse in 2016.

IMO, there's a big difference between activity that is by its very nature dangerous - like smoking and playing football - and one that is potentially dangerous, like being a cop. The former is in a different class of dumb, because you (now) know you are harming your brain.
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(08-31-2017 01:47 PM)The Cutter of Bish Wrote:  
(08-30-2017 11:31 PM)JRsec Wrote:  I would agree with you on your profile for Millennials and Globals with one exception. They aren't logical.

I think this description is divisive for exactly what you say. I was deliberate in putting it next to skeptical. There is a distrust or distaste for what is unseen, a lack of faith, or an expectation with structure and authority. Prone to irreverence if leadership or institutions fail them if charged with a function. An expectation that process is followed.

Like, I look at these generations from the lens of job satisfaction and the havoc they cause organizations when they are more likely to leave if unsatisfied. That there is more to a job than money; an understanding of the budgeting of time with respect to commitment to a function. Millennials and Globals can be perceived as irrational, selfish, and entitled...that whole "love it or leave it" thing; these guys will leave it. They don't give a crap about that "but, what happens when..." virtually every other generation would defer. Very tied to a simple, explainable "if-then" cause and effect kind of thinking. Not necessarily flushed out, but more direct and distinguishable than the over-thought perpetuated by previous generations.

And system analysis when the structure fails, followed by trouble shooting a system you understand, should yield an ability to problem solve. But they don't. They quit. My suspicion, and that of my wife who works with them in a clinical situation, is that they mimic well, but don't understand systems at all, therefore they fake their understanding and rather than deal with having to admit they don't understand a system they stay until confronted by their limitations and then quit. They then lay the blame on others so they don't have to admit their lack of understanding and so that they have a non fail narrative to take with them to the next job.

It's extremely disruptive to the flow of business, but they are covered by a corporate world that is interested in their paper pedigree rather than in their ability to perform. Online job applications are not threatening to them but interviews sure are.
Therefore they may fly through three or four jobs before the resume' begins to beg the question of why their tenure with any company doesn't exceed two years.

But, being tech savvy, and they are, they hide in the technology rather than confront their deficits.

The ones I had to manage before my retirement excelled at spending hours in busy work with aps and programs. But their ability to hear what a client was needing and relate it to their responsibilities with regard to customer service was a major disconnect. To them if it was fixed in the screen it was fixed, whether the customer received service or not. I finally determined that it was because they didn't understand how the business functioned from the production of the product, to the delivery of the product, and therefore they didn't comprehend how their oversight fit into the process other than data entry. I would say that this was our fault if we had not walked them through every step and aspect of the enterprise as part of their training. Their little eyes shined and their heads nodded during the training, but nothing stuck, because they didn't see what we were explaining as their defined function.

In short they simply could not deal with the public, nor did they want to make the follow up calls to other personnel to track down at what point the delivery broke down. And those that did follow up, didn't know how to ask non threatening questions in order to find the locus of the problem without making everyone in the process hyper defensive.

This is why I say they lack social skills, and lack them in ways that in my 40 plus years of work life that I had never before witnessed. They have a firm grasp of data points, but have no people sense or common sense when dealing with a problem.

Obviously I couldn't discriminate by age when I hired, but the interview was majorly important to me, much more than the resume's were.

The other problem I had with them was basic morality. They would rather lie than admit an error, and they didn't understand accuracy in cash dealings. They didn't steal per se, but they didn't see the need in being exact. And there was another disconnect with time off. They seemed to think that notifying you after their absence was sufficient. I once hired a young woman to a management position and she was absent from our first staff meeting where she was to give an introductory talk about her life and her goals. When I called her after the meeting was concluded she told me that she had gone to the beach with her husband to celebrate her new job and wanted me to chalk up the absence as a day off.

Now certainly not all of these anecdotes are reflective of the generation as a whole, but I can attest that the illustrations were a common theme among the majority of them that I had interactions with. And when conversing on this topic with other employers the same themes kept recurring. And mind you we are talking about college graduates, not typical wage and hour hires.

So again, to me, these kinds of mal-adaptive patterns of behavior are why I call it anything but logical. But again you are dead on in that they hold an interest when the social content value is the highest for sports, but do so because it is a topic current to facebook. I submit they don't attend because they are majorly uncomfortable with large social gatherings, perhaps a phobia enhanced by our terrorist conscious times, as well as it being a cost/ benefit decision.

BTW: They have become my phobia. My wife and I fear the day that either or both of us should ever need assisted living. And the reason we fear it is that we can't comprehend being under the oversight of this generation. I joke that my assisted living plan will be to buy a boat, fill it with every provision I love, set out to the gulf stream and fish until the fish eat me. At least I'll die happy, and nature will have had reciprocity.
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