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Is there any network that can seriously challenge ESPN for televising NCAA sports?
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RE: Is there any network that can seriously challenge ESPN for televising NCAA sports?
(08-30-2017 10:36 AM)stever20 Wrote:  the thing with Fox is it's like they aren't even trying in the first week of the year. I mean, they do have A&M/UCLA which is decent- but there are several games at least as good if not better....

And week 2 while yeah Stanford/USC is good- it'll get dwarfed by Oklahoma/Ohio St on ABC.

And Fox's real problem is from March-August- they just do not have the firepower that ESPN has. I mean ESPN has more and better baseball- to include the HR derby. They have the tennis. They have the NBA. They have the NFL draft. Heck, they have the Little League stuff- which gets good ratings. Fox has what really? Soccer? MLB(some). 3 on 3 basketball? Some Nascar. UFC(which goes up for bidding this year I think).

Ratings so far this year-
ESPN- 689k
FS1- 156k

ratings for the last 12 months
ESPN- 791k
FS1- 177k

To be sure, Fox's MLB package is better than ESPN's package since they have the All Star Game (on Fox OTA) plus much more of the postseason (including an LCS and the World Series). The Fox soccer package is also very good with FIFA and CONCACAF - we saw how the Women's World Cup drew extremely well on the Fox networks and we should expect the same when they have the Men's World Cup next year during the summer.

However, I do think ESPN is better at packaging virtually anything that is on their network (whether it's pro sports, college sports or events like the National Spelling Bee or Little League World Series) as a must-see event. It's not an accident that they're extremely good at this when they're owned by Disney (who practically invented corporate synergy). ESPN isn't just a TV network - they have the dominant sports website, the dominant sports mobile app, the dominant sports streaming service, and the dominant sports radio network. Everything (whether big or small) gets cross-promoted on virtually every media platform out there and that all drives viewership to whatever event ESPN happens to be showing that evening. That means that ESPN can essentially run a test pattern and they could draw more viewers than FS1.

I don't think that's a knock on Fox (or NBC or Turner or anyone else). It's simply that the multi-platformed monster that ESPN has built is completely unique and unprecedented in the entertainment (not just sports) business. Every media company has tried to replicate what ESPN has many times over many decades, but ESPN has simply been better at executing its strategy compared to everyone else by a wide margin. I can practice shooting 3-pointers 18 hours a day and have the perfect technique... but I'll still never be as good as Steph Curry no matter what I do. That's essentially where the other sports networks are compared to ESPN - those other networks could have the exact same content as ESPN has now, but they still wouldn't be able to replicate the broad multi-platform dominance that ESPN has created no matter how hard they try.

I seem to continue to need to remind people of this, but up until the last couple years with increased cord cutting, ESPN was generating nearly as much profit by itself as the entire rest of The Walt Disney Company (even with its theme parks, ABC, Marvel, Star Wars, Pixar, Disney Princess and other revenue) COMBINED. Just think of how many Disney properties completely permeate American culture in terms of TV, movies, theme parks and toys... and yet ESPN was dwarfing them ALL. Even with cord cutting, just one month of ESPN cable subscriber fees today is the equivalent of the domestic box office for The Avengers (which is #5 on the all-time domestic box office list). REPEAT: ESPN generates gross subscriber revenue that is the equivalent of one of the top 5 movies of all-time EVERY SINGLE MONTH... and that's before they even sell a single ad (which also carry the highest rates in the industry because it's live sports drawing hard to reach young male viewers that actually watch commercials). I continue to be amazed by how little sports fans understand just how much money ESPN generates (which is why it has pummeled so many competitors). ESPN is the single most profitable *media and entertainment* company in the world, much less the most profitable sports network.
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RE: Is there any network that can seriously challenge ESPN for televising NCAA sports?
Fox's MLB package though over the summer- and between FS1 and ESPN- clearly favors ESPN though. ESPN gets a national prime time game of the week every Sunday- only game most Sunday's. They get the Homer derby- which is a huge rating winner. They got the Little League Classic in Williamsport 2 weeks ago which was big. What exactly did FS1 get? ESPN's baseball package takes care of them from April thru August. And you say Fox gets the All star game. Well- HR Derby this year got 8.7 million viewers. Fox for the All star game got 9.4 million viewers. So not a huge difference there.

And would even say with the NBA starting 2 weeks earlier, that's going to impact FS1 quite a bit in that the LCS will have 4 of the 7 games opposite the NBA. I mean, Fox may have ALCS game 4, but it'll be going up against Cleveland/Boston NBA season opener.

As far as the Men's world Cup- the times really will hurt that quite a bit ratings wise vs the women's world cup last year. I mean- a 10pm local Russia time is what in the US? 3pm. So that won't help much for prime time.
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RE: Is there any network that can seriously challenge ESPN for televising NCAA sports?
Just saw that Fox has gotten rid of Pete Rose...
http://awfulannouncing.com/fox/pete-rose...ation.html

It's a shame because Fox with Rose/Arod/Thomas had a studio combo that was historically good(and hysterically funny).
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RE: Is there any network that can seriously challenge ESPN for televising NCAA sports?
What I do think ESPN has done since FS1 came around that's been huge was locking up the NBA. Really think Fox was kind of counting on getting some NBA when they were starting up 4 years ago. I think while yeah it's hurt them in the pocket book- Fox not getting the NBA has kind of limited how far FS1 can go.
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RE: Is there any network that can seriously challenge ESPN for televising NCAA sports?
Probably not since most intriguing sports products are taken and the market hit a saturation point around 2015.

There is going to be pressure placed on FBS conferences to expand in the wake of declining TV dollars.

MAC the only G5 with a long term deal can ride out the storm. They are willing to play mid week, something other conferences aren't willing to do. CUSA I think is going to have some defections fairly soon with the idea of enticing a national network.

Fox has been able to get a sliver of the market from ESPN. NBA would have changed the equation for them. They are a healthy #2 which is worth something.

NBC and CBS have been an enigma as to why they aren't more aggressive in pursing programming. My guess is the market just isn't there. CBS was paying the MWC decent money at one point and NBC invested in the CAA but those arrangements are over.
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(09-01-2017 06:45 PM)Kittonhead Wrote:  Probably not since most intriguing sports products are taken and the market hit a saturation point around 2015.

There is going to be pressure placed on FBS conferences to expand in the wake of declining TV dollars.
I an not sure about that, but point taken

MAC the only G5 with a long term deal can ride out the storm. They are willing to play mid week, something other conferences aren't willing to do. CUSA I think is going to have some defections fairly soon with the idea of enticing a national network.
The MAC plays a mean hand of Cards and will show ONLY WHEN NEEDED. Even if the whole thing falls apart, they will be the Last Man Standing in all of this.

Fox has been able to get a sliver of the market from ESPN. NBA would have changed the equation for them. They are a healthy #2 which is worth something.
The NBA is only being propped up by ESPN at the moment

NBC and CBS have been an enigma as to why they aren't more aggressive in pursing programming. My guess is the market just isn't there. CBS was paying the MWC decent money at one point and NBC invested in the CAA but those arrangements are over.
NBC(As a Corporation on the College Sports side) has the Irish problem. Having ND, they cannot, or will not pay a Conference more than they pay them by themselves. CBS on the other hand I am not sure.....
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RE: Is there any network that can seriously challenge ESPN for televising NCAA sports?
Don't forget CBS has SEC 1st tier. Not sure who has SEC #2 tier (maybe ESPN?) but ESPN definitely has the SEC's third tier rights. CBS probably had to fork over more $$'s to the SEC so they wouldn't lose those to ESPN.
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ESPN gets all SEC except for the 15 or so games that CBS gets.
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(09-02-2017 08:53 PM)DawgNBama Wrote:  Don't forget CBS has SEC 1st tier. Not sure who has SEC #2 tier (maybe ESPN?) but ESPN definitely has the SEC's third tier rights. CBS probably had to fork over more $$'s to the SEC so they wouldn't lose those to ESPN.

CBS gets the SEC game of the week until 2023. 1 game a week. 0 today. ESPN owns the SEC for 20 years.
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