....I never heard anything about BYU either...it is still listed on some schedule sites.

(08-09-2017 11:24 AM)nastybunch Wrote:  It will be a few years yet, but someone let me know the amount that State pays us to get out of the '24 game here.

...you like to come out and play only at certain times and push buttons... I can see that from your rep rating comments....everyone here needs to take a peek at that last rating you have...

"We've got to generate more revenue"

HattiesburgAmerican/Munz:

The financial divide within college athletics has long been extreme.

In 2005, the University of Alabama’s total revenue sat somewhere just north of $62 million per year, while East Carolina’s was nestled near the $21 million mark.

A decade later, that yawning chasm continued to deepen as the likes of Texas, Michigan and Ohio State boasted income figures well past the $150 million plateau, according to data compiled by the USA TODAY Network. In 2015, Alabama generated $148.9 million while East Carolina pulled in $48.9 million.

So where does Southern Miss fall in this financial spectrum?

Southern Miss was once a contemporary of East Carolina, both members of Conference USA in 2005. At the time, the Hattiesburg university trailed East Carolina in the revenue race by less than $3 million. Ten years later, Southern Miss has seen a 33 percent increase ($23.97 million in revenue in 2015, next-to-last among Conference USA institutions whose budgets are public record) while East Carolina, now an American Athletic Conference member, has experienced growth more than four times that rate.

“Obviously, we’ve got to generate more revenue,” new Southern Miss athletic director Jon Gilbert said.

Stimulating a cash flow stream that has lagged well behind even Southern Miss’ newest peers within Conference USA is priority No. 1 for Gilbert. The former Tennessee deputy athletic director, who was hired in January to replace Bill McGillis, has spent the majority of his career doing just that.

Gilbert began efforts to make inroads to that end as soon as he officially took office in February at Southern Miss. One of the pillars of the athletic department’s annual budget has been lucrative — sometimes record-breaking: single-game guaranteed football contracts. Recent road games against the likes of LSU, Nebraska and Alabama have all grossed more than $1 million each. And future games against Tennessee (2017), Auburn (2018) and Alabama (2019) will also each clear the million-dollar level — some by a significant amount.

However, the net value of such matchups is considerably lower than the flashy numbers bandied about on the official contracts. Travel expenses as well as opportunity costs (income associated with hosting a game) are factored in before a final dollar amount is deposited.

Nevertheless, part of Gilbert’s philosophy is less dependent on large, one-time payouts and more so on longer-term deals that would likely generate more fan interest as well as a higher degree of competitiveness. A prime example being the four-year, home-and-home agreement between Southern Miss and its former Conference USA mate Tulane that was announced last week. The first game between the two is set for 2022.

“Games like this are really good from a revenue standpoint,” Gilbert said. “For both schools. We will bring a passionate fan base to New Orleans, and their fans can drive up (for the games in Hattiesburg in 2023 and 2027). As we look at how we move our department forward, I think we’ve got to get more regionally-based games.”

Southern Miss has never eluded financial challenges, but those trials have been exacerbated in recent years thanks to a wide array of factors. Conference USA’s year-old media rights contract (which saw a drop in annual income for each member institution from more than $1 million annually to roughly $200,000) as well as the advent of cost-of-attendance (defined by the NCAA as the cost of tuition, fees, books, room and board, transportation and personal expenses for an academic year) are hardships Southern Miss, along with most of its peers, has incurred lately. Southern Miss spent $330,000 on cost-of-attendance for fiscal year 2017. Athletic department officials expect that number to rise to $530,000 for fiscal year 2018.

“I don’t think we’re any different than our peers with this, but the biggest challenge of the last year is the TV contract,” senior internal operations director Kent Hegenauer said. “In my years here, I don’t think we’ve had one line item change quite that drastically.”

Where the gap significantly widens, though, is in the dollar amount schools generate in student fees and direct institutional support. Southern Miss ranked fourth in Conference USA in total ticket sales in 2015 ($2.28 million) and fifth in contributions ($4.19 million). But it slid to ninth in student fees and institutional support and 13th (out of 13 schools) in subsidy percentage — 36.65 percent of the school’s total revenue is made up of student fees and institutional support.

While Southern Miss received $8.8 million in direct subsidy in 2015 — only up from $7.5 million a decade earlier — many of its contemporaries have left the Golden Eagles in the dust. In 2005, Middle Tennessee brought in $11.4 million through student fees and institutional support. In 2015, that number was up to $19.4 million. Western Kentucky’s subsidy amount nearly doubled over that span. South Alabama, a Sun Belt Conference member — which generated $28.1 million in total revenue in 2015, received approximately $19.9 million in student fees and institutional support in 2015.

The timing of the financial surge for schools with similar profiles as Southern Miss couldn’t have been worse. The school bought out former football coach Ellis Johnson for $2.1 million when it fired him after the winless 2012 season. An NCAA investigation of the men’s basketball program began in 2014, and the basketball program's bottom line suffered as a result, dipping from $2.03 million in revenue in fiscal year 2014 to $1.15 million in fiscal year 2016, according to documents obtained by the Hattiesburg American through a public records request.

Gilbert is confident, though, he can make a difference.

“I’m still getting into the financials,” he said. “I’ve been working with our (chief financial officer), getting an outline for where we are and how we’re going to move forward. But I think the first thing we have to do is stabilize our operating budget. We want to make sure we’re good stewards of our resources. Then, you go out and solicit gifts to the department for capital projects, which programs need to move forward.

“I need everyone to buy in to that vision. If you have the resources to buy a ticket, we need you to buy a ticket. If you have the resources to join the Eagle Club, we need you to do that. As people are investing, they’re investing in the health and well-being of our student-athletes.”
By the numbers

Southern Miss increased its total annual revenue every year from 2004-05 to 2013-14, but it dipped in both 2014-15 and 2015-16.

2004-05: $13.6 million
2005-06: $15.2 million
2006-07: $16.3 million
2007-08: $18.4 million
2008-09: $19.1 million
2009-10: $19.3 million
2010-11: $19.7 million
2011-12: $20.2 million
2012-13: $22.5 million
2013-14: $24.4 million
2014-15: $24.2 million
2015-16: $24.0 million

The game in Hattiesburg will be played. Only thing that could squeeze us out would be if the SEC went to 9 games. Even then, the game would still probably be on.

(08-09-2017 12:23 PM)Black and Gold Battle Umbrella Wrote:  "We've got to generate more revenue"

HattiesburgAmerican/Munz:

The financial divide within college athletics has long been extreme.

In 2005, the University of Alabama’s total revenue sat somewhere just north of $62 million per year, while East Carolina’s was nestled near the $21 million mark.

A decade later, that yawning chasm continued to deepen as the likes of Texas, Michigan and Ohio State boasted income figures well past the $150 million plateau, according to data compiled by the USA TODAY Network. In 2015, Alabama generated $148.9 million while East Carolina pulled in $48.9 million.

So where does Southern Miss fall in this financial spectrum?

Southern Miss was once a contemporary of East Carolina, both members of Conference USA in 2005. At the time, the Hattiesburg university trailed East Carolina in the revenue race by less than $3 million. Ten years later, Southern Miss has seen a 33 percent increase ($23.97 million in revenue in 2015, next-to-last among Conference USA institutions whose budgets are public record) while East Carolina, now an American Athletic Conference member, has experienced growth more than four times that rate.

“Obviously, we’ve got to generate more revenue,” new Southern Miss athletic director Jon Gilbert said.

Stimulating a cash flow stream that has lagged well behind even Southern Miss’ newest peers within Conference USA is priority No. 1 for Gilbert. The former Tennessee deputy athletic director, who was hired in January to replace Bill McGillis, has spent the majority of his career doing just that.

Gilbert began efforts to make inroads to that end as soon as he officially took office in February at Southern Miss. One of the pillars of the athletic department’s annual budget has been lucrative — sometimes record-breaking: single-game guaranteed football contracts. Recent road games against the likes of LSU, Nebraska and Alabama have all grossed more than $1 million each. And future games against Tennessee (2017), Auburn (2018) and Alabama (2019) will also each clear the million-dollar level — some by a significant amount.

However, the net value of such matchups is considerably lower than the flashy numbers bandied about on the official contracts. Travel expenses as well as opportunity costs (income associated with hosting a game) are factored in before a final dollar amount is deposited.

Nevertheless, part of Gilbert’s philosophy is less dependent on large, one-time payouts and more so on longer-term deals that would likely generate more fan interest as well as a higher degree of competitiveness. A prime example being the four-year, home-and-home agreement between Southern Miss and its former Conference USA mate Tulane that was announced last week. The first game between the two is set for 2022.

“Games like this are really good from a revenue standpoint,” Gilbert said. “For both schools. We will bring a passionate fan base to New Orleans, and their fans can drive up (for the games in Hattiesburg in 2023 and 2027). As we look at how we move our department forward, I think we’ve got to get more regionally-based games.”

Southern Miss has never eluded financial challenges, but those trials have been exacerbated in recent years thanks to a wide array of factors. Conference USA’s year-old media rights contract (which saw a drop in annual income for each member institution from more than $1 million annually to roughly $200,000) as well as the advent of cost-of-attendance (defined by the NCAA as the cost of tuition, fees, books, room and board, transportation and personal expenses for an academic year) are hardships Southern Miss, along with most of its peers, has incurred lately. Southern Miss spent $330,000 on cost-of-attendance for fiscal year 2017. Athletic department officials expect that number to rise to $530,000 for fiscal year 2018.

“I don’t think we’re any different than our peers with this, but the biggest challenge of the last year is the TV contract,” senior internal operations director Kent Hegenauer said. “In my years here, I don’t think we’ve had one line item change quite that drastically.”

Where the gap significantly widens, though, is in the dollar amount schools generate in student fees and direct institutional support. Southern Miss ranked fourth in Conference USA in total ticket sales in 2015 ($2.28 million) and fifth in contributions ($4.19 million). But it slid to ninth in student fees and institutional support and 13th (out of 13 schools) in subsidy percentage — 36.65 percent of the school’s total revenue is made up of student fees and institutional support.

While Southern Miss received $8.8 million in direct subsidy in 2015 — only up from $7.5 million a decade earlier — many of its contemporaries have left the Golden Eagles in the dust. In 2005, Middle Tennessee brought in $11.4 million through student fees and institutional support. In 2015, that number was up to $19.4 million. Western Kentucky’s subsidy amount nearly doubled over that span. South Alabama, a Sun Belt Conference member — which generated $28.1 million in total revenue in 2015, received approximately $19.9 million in student fees and institutional support in 2015.

The timing of the financial surge for schools with similar profiles as Southern Miss couldn’t have been worse. The school bought out former football coach Ellis Johnson for $2.1 million when it fired him after the winless 2012 season. An NCAA investigation of the men’s basketball program began in 2014, and the basketball program's bottom line suffered as a result, dipping from $2.03 million in revenue in fiscal year 2014 to $1.15 million in fiscal year 2016, according to documents obtained by the Hattiesburg American through a public records request.

Gilbert is confident, though, he can make a difference.

“I’m still getting into the financials,” he said. “I’ve been working with our (chief financial officer), getting an outline for where we are and how we’re going to move forward. But I think the first thing we have to do is stabilize our operating budget. We want to make sure we’re good stewards of our resources. Then, you go out and solicit gifts to the department for capital projects, which programs need to move forward.

“I need everyone to buy in to that vision. If you have the resources to buy a ticket, we need you to buy a ticket. If you have the resources to join the Eagle Club, we need you to do that. As people are investing, they’re investing in the health and well-being of our student-athletes.”
By the numbers

Southern Miss increased its total annual revenue every year from 2004-05 to 2013-14, but it dipped in both 2014-15 and 2015-16.

2004-05: $13.6 million
2005-06: $15.2 million
2006-07: $16.3 million
2007-08: $18.4 million
2008-09: $19.1 million
2009-10: $19.3 million
2010-11: $19.7 million
2011-12: $20.2 million
2012-13: $22.5 million
2013-14: $24.4 million
2014-15: $24.2 million
2015-16: $24.0 million

It's kinda tacky copying/pasting an entire article, no?

...I believe the only team that has ever bought out our home game was Nebraska.....And WE asked for that to be bought out...not them.

(08-09-2017 09:25 AM)Ace Barker Wrote:  Was the home and home with BYU officially canceled?

Ace...

"USM was previously slated to play at BYU Nov. 19, 2016, but that game will be moved to another season per Golden Eagles athletic director Bill McGillis."

FB Schedules Link

"Through an open records request, Deadspin obtained an email from the USM Director of Athletics stating that it was his intent to cancel the Golden Eagles' series with BYU in order to find a better payout. USM will owe BYU $1M in liquidated damages should they cancel." -Per Deadspin.....why we wont cancel the series and have delayed the game.........

(08-09-2017 12:40 PM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 12:23 PM)Black and Gold Battle Umbrella Wrote:  "We've got to generate more revenue"

HattiesburgAmerican/Munz:

The financial divide within college athletics has long been extreme.

In 2005, the University of Alabama’s total revenue sat somewhere just north of $62 million per year, while East Carolina’s was nestled near the $21 million mark.

A decade later, that yawning chasm continued to deepen as the likes of Texas, Michigan and Ohio State boasted income figures well past the $150 million plateau, according to data compiled by the USA TODAY Network. In 2015, Alabama generated $148.9 million while East Carolina pulled in $48.9 million.

So where does Southern Miss fall in this financial spectrum?

Southern Miss was once a contemporary of East Carolina, both members of Conference USA in 2005. At the time, the Hattiesburg university trailed East Carolina in the revenue race by less than $3 million. Ten years later, Southern Miss has seen a 33 percent increase ($23.97 million in revenue in 2015, next-to-last among Conference USA institutions whose budgets are public record) while East Carolina, now an American Athletic Conference member, has experienced growth more than four times that rate.

“Obviously, we’ve got to generate more revenue,” new Southern Miss athletic director Jon Gilbert said.

Stimulating a cash flow stream that has lagged well behind even Southern Miss’ newest peers within Conference USA is priority No. 1 for Gilbert. The former Tennessee deputy athletic director, who was hired in January to replace Bill McGillis, has spent the majority of his career doing just that.

Gilbert began efforts to make inroads to that end as soon as he officially took office in February at Southern Miss. One of the pillars of the athletic department’s annual budget has been lucrative — sometimes record-breaking: single-game guaranteed football contracts. Recent road games against the likes of LSU, Nebraska and Alabama have all grossed more than $1 million each. And future games against Tennessee (2017), Auburn (2018) and Alabama (2019) will also each clear the million-dollar level — some by a significant amount.

However, the net value of such matchups is considerably lower than the flashy numbers bandied about on the official contracts. Travel expenses as well as opportunity costs (income associated with hosting a game) are factored in before a final dollar amount is deposited.

Nevertheless, part of Gilbert’s philosophy is less dependent on large, one-time payouts and more so on longer-term deals that would likely generate more fan interest as well as a higher degree of competitiveness. A prime example being the four-year, home-and-home agreement between Southern Miss and its former Conference USA mate Tulane that was announced last week. The first game between the two is set for 2022.

“Games like this are really good from a revenue standpoint,” Gilbert said. “For both schools. We will bring a passionate fan base to New Orleans, and their fans can drive up (for the games in Hattiesburg in 2023 and 2027). As we look at how we move our department forward, I think we’ve got to get more regionally-based games.”

Southern Miss has never eluded financial challenges, but those trials have been exacerbated in recent years thanks to a wide array of factors. Conference USA’s year-old media rights contract (which saw a drop in annual income for each member institution from more than $1 million annually to roughly $200,000) as well as the advent of cost-of-attendance (defined by the NCAA as the cost of tuition, fees, books, room and board, transportation and personal expenses for an academic year) are hardships Southern Miss, along with most of its peers, has incurred lately. Southern Miss spent $330,000 on cost-of-attendance for fiscal year 2017. Athletic department officials expect that number to rise to $530,000 for fiscal year 2018.

“I don’t think we’re any different than our peers with this, but the biggest challenge of the last year is the TV contract,” senior internal operations director Kent Hegenauer said. “In my years here, I don’t think we’ve had one line item change quite that drastically.”

Where the gap significantly widens, though, is in the dollar amount schools generate in student fees and direct institutional support. Southern Miss ranked fourth in Conference USA in total ticket sales in 2015 ($2.28 million) and fifth in contributions ($4.19 million). But it slid to ninth in student fees and institutional support and 13th (out of 13 schools) in subsidy percentage — 36.65 percent of the school’s total revenue is made up of student fees and institutional support.

While Southern Miss received $8.8 million in direct subsidy in 2015 — only up from $7.5 million a decade earlier — many of its contemporaries have left the Golden Eagles in the dust. In 2005, Middle Tennessee brought in $11.4 million through student fees and institutional support. In 2015, that number was up to $19.4 million. Western Kentucky’s subsidy amount nearly doubled over that span. South Alabama, a Sun Belt Conference member — which generated $28.1 million in total revenue in 2015, received approximately $19.9 million in student fees and institutional support in 2015.

The timing of the financial surge for schools with similar profiles as Southern Miss couldn’t have been worse. The school bought out former football coach Ellis Johnson for $2.1 million when it fired him after the winless 2012 season. An NCAA investigation of the men’s basketball program began in 2014, and the basketball program's bottom line suffered as a result, dipping from $2.03 million in revenue in fiscal year 2014 to $1.15 million in fiscal year 2016, according to documents obtained by the Hattiesburg American through a public records request.

Gilbert is confident, though, he can make a difference.

“I’m still getting into the financials,” he said. “I’ve been working with our (chief financial officer), getting an outline for where we are and how we’re going to move forward. But I think the first thing we have to do is stabilize our operating budget. We want to make sure we’re good stewards of our resources. Then, you go out and solicit gifts to the department for capital projects, which programs need to move forward.

“I need everyone to buy in to that vision. If you have the resources to buy a ticket, we need you to buy a ticket. If you have the resources to join the Eagle Club, we need you to do that. As people are investing, they’re investing in the health and well-being of our student-athletes.”
By the numbers

Southern Miss increased its total annual revenue every year from 2004-05 to 2013-14, but it dipped in both 2014-15 and 2015-16.

2004-05: $13.6 million
2005-06: $15.2 million
2006-07: $16.3 million
2007-08: $18.4 million
2008-09: $19.1 million
2009-10: $19.3 million
2010-11: $19.7 million
2011-12: $20.2 million
2012-13: $22.5 million
2013-14: $24.4 million
2014-15: $24.2 million
2015-16: $24.0 million

It's kinda tacky copying/pasting an entire article, no?

it's an unwritten no-no.....and is being legislated as we type....

only partials is the acceptable linkage to date.....

(08-09-2017 10:20 AM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 10:09 AM)Eagleholic Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 08:38 AM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(08-08-2017 10:51 PM)Nuggets Ghostbuster Wrote:  If ECU can schedule home and homes with VT and West Virginia, and UCF and USF can schedule home and homes with GT, then USM is perfectly capable of doing the same

ECU, UCF, and USF all have substantially more financial pull than we do. This is an indisputable fact.

Also, UCF and USF are in recruiting hotbeds. So, teams are willing to go play there to get their name out in that area in hopes of getting a few players from South Florida area. That's why some teams are willing to go play at Tulane (New Orleans area recruits) and Rice (Houston area recruits) also. They are marketing their programs in those areas moreso than going to play those teams.

Exactly.

It's why freakin' Charlotte has deals with UNC and Maryland. Teams want to play in large metro areas where 'crootin is good and these schools have large alumni bases.

Financial Pull? Explain how Troy signed a home and home with NC State and Vanderbilt....or Arky St signed a home and home with Iowa State....or Wyoming signed a home and home with Texas Tech and Oregon and Missouri......or Fresno getting a home and home with Minnesota.....or Nevada scheduling a home and home with Purdue....or why Washington St signed a home and home with Utah St....or how App St scheduled a home and home with Miami.....or how Toledo scheduled a home and home with Miami....

if its about marketing and recruiting hot beds, please explain why Miami is going to Jonesboro, AR next month or why Oregon is going to Laramie?

Guys, I can poke holes all day into your excuses but the AD's at the schools mentioned above have figured it out. USM can do the same. We have always been poor. We have historically had the smallest of budgets in Div 1. It has been done before at USM and it can happen again in todays economy. Just look at the schedules above for proof.

(08-08-2017 09:38 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(08-08-2017 09:37 PM)TTT Wrote:  There are PLENTY of high level P5 teams that would love to pay us 2mill that I'm sure have open slots....

Name one

Florida State. They still have an opening in '19.

(08-09-2017 02:18 PM)Nuggets Ghostbuster Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 10:20 AM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 10:09 AM)Eagleholic Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 08:38 AM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(08-08-2017 10:51 PM)Nuggets Ghostbuster Wrote:  If ECU can schedule home and homes with VT and West Virginia, and UCF and USF can schedule home and homes with GT, then USM is perfectly capable of doing the same

ECU, UCF, and USF all have substantially more financial pull than we do. This is an indisputable fact.

Also, UCF and USF are in recruiting hotbeds. So, teams are willing to go play there to get their name out in that area in hopes of getting a few players from South Florida area. That's why some teams are willing to go play at Tulane (New Orleans area recruits) and Rice (Houston area recruits) also. They are marketing their programs in those areas moreso than going to play those teams.

Exactly.

It's why freakin' Charlotte has deals with UNC and Maryland. Teams want to play in large metro areas where 'crootin is good and these schools have large alumni bases.

Financial Pull? Explain how Troy signed a home and home with NC State and Vanderbilt....or Arky St signed a home and home with Iowa State....or Wyoming signed a home and home with Texas Tech and Oregon and Missouri......or Fresno getting a home and home with Minnesota.....or Nevada scheduling a home and home with Purdue....or why Washington St signed a home and home with Utah St....or how App St scheduled a home and home with Miami.....or how Toledo scheduled a home and home with Miami....

if its about marketing and recruiting hot beds, please explain why Miami is going to Jonesboro, AR next month or why Oregon is going to Laramie?

Guys, I can poke holes all day into your excuses but the AD's at the schools mentioned above have figured it out. USM can do the same. We have always been poor. We have historically had the smallest of budgets in Div 1. It has been done before at USM and it can happen again in todays economy. Just look at the schedules above for proof.

100000000000000000% agree!

it's amazing how we once had some semblance of branding (and amazingly, still do) and continue to drop the ball....reminds me of DJ leaving the ground, doing his 180 move, and the ball going the other way.....

I have zero problem with the 2fer1 with msu (would prefer another arrangement, but oh wellzy)........but not going after h/h MEM, ECU, TU or any other mid p5/geo wtfe is beyond my ability to comprehend......

that's just stupid shite.....

(08-09-2017 02:18 PM)Nuggets Ghostbuster Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 10:20 AM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 10:09 AM)Eagleholic Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 08:38 AM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(08-08-2017 10:51 PM)Nuggets Ghostbuster Wrote:  If ECU can schedule home and homes with VT and West Virginia, and UCF and USF can schedule home and homes with GT, then USM is perfectly capable of doing the same

ECU, UCF, and USF all have substantially more financial pull than we do. This is an indisputable fact.

Also, UCF and USF are in recruiting hotbeds. So, teams are willing to go play there to get their name out in that area in hopes of getting a few players from South Florida area. That's why some teams are willing to go play at Tulane (New Orleans area recruits) and Rice (Houston area recruits) also. They are marketing their programs in those areas moreso than going to play those teams.

Exactly.

It's why freakin' Charlotte has deals with UNC and Maryland. Teams want to play in large metro areas where 'crootin is good and these schools have large alumni bases.

Financial Pull? Explain how Troy signed a home and home with NC State and Vanderbilt....or Arky St signed a home and home with Iowa State....or Wyoming signed a home and home with Texas Tech and Oregon and Missouri......or Fresno getting a home and home with Minnesota.....or Nevada scheduling a home and home with Purdue....or why Washington St signed a home and home with Utah St....or how App St scheduled a home and home with Miami.....or how Toledo scheduled a home and home with Miami....

if its about marketing and recruiting hot beds, please explain why Miami is going to Jonesboro, AR next month or why Oregon is going to Laramie?

Guys, I can poke holes all day into your excuses but the AD's at the schools mentioned above have figured it out. USM can do the same. We have always been poor. We have historically had the smallest of budgets in Div 1. It has been done before at USM and it can happen again in todays economy. Just look at the schedules above for proof.

I've got no answers for most of those. I do think we could have had Miami in here, but dropped the ball on that one. I've also heard that we were close to getting some games with Vandy, but then freaking Todd Monken went and won 9 games and they no longer wanted to schedule us.

Some of it is timing and I do agree that some of it is just our administration not getting it done. We were fortunate with Kentucky, but desperately need some better home games in the next 5 years or so. That appears to be another area that McGillis did not improve things.

(08-09-2017 12:40 PM)BeagleUSM Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 12:23 PM)Black and Gold Battle Umbrella Wrote:  "We've got to generate more revenue"

It's kinda tacky copying/pasting an entire article, no?

Not as tacky as quoting it.

(08-09-2017 02:18 PM)Nuggets Ghostbuster Wrote:  Financial Pull? Explain how Troy signed a home and home with NC State and Vanderbilt....or Arky St signed a home and home with Iowa State....or Wyoming signed a home and home with Texas Tech and Oregon and Missouri......or Fresno getting a home and home with Minnesota.....or Nevada scheduling a home and home with Purdue....or why Washington St signed a home and home with Utah St....or how App St scheduled a home and home with Miami.....or how Toledo scheduled a home and home with Miami....

if its about marketing and recruiting hot beds, please explain why Miami is going to Jonesboro, AR next month or why Oregon is going to Laramie?

Guys, I can poke holes all day into your excuses but the AD's at the schools mentioned above have figured it out. USM can do the same. We have always been poor. We have historically had the smallest of budgets in Div 1. It has been done before at USM and it can happen again in todays economy. Just look at the schedules above for proof.

We've also historically been a royal pain in the ass to teams willing to schedule us. As somebody else said, there are numerous other factors in play. You think Cal will ever come back after we cost them a BCS title shot last time they were in town? Florida State wasn't ever coming back as long as Bobby Bowden was the coach. There are a lot of truly god-awful P5 teams on your above list willing to bend on terms just to schedule FBS teams they think they can actually beat.

State refused to play us at all anywhere for 25 years because the potential of losing was too high for their comfort. I still believe we asked for the 3rd game to score the extra cash, but just for the sake of supposing, it's not out of the realm of possibility that State needed the pot sweetened to come to Hattiesburg for only the 6th time in 84 years. And you can't tell me Texas Tech or Oregon or whoever the hell else you want to throw out would generate more interest or revenue for us than getting State back over here.

They'll be playing in Hattiesburg for the 6th time. Ever. Quit wringing your hands over a second road trip making our collective pecker look 1/32nd of an inch shorter than theirs and just appreciate the fact that we not only got the game, but a low-expense payday to boot.

(08-09-2017 08:50 PM)HarborPointe Wrote:  

(08-09-2017 02:18 PM)Nuggets Ghostbuster Wrote:  Financial Pull? Explain how Troy signed a home and home with NC State and Vanderbilt....or Arky St signed a home and home with Iowa State....or Wyoming signed a home and home with Texas Tech and Oregon and Missouri......or Fresno getting a home and home with Minnesota.....or Nevada scheduling a home and home with Purdue....or why Washington St signed a home and home with Utah St....or how App St scheduled a home and home with Miami.....or how Toledo scheduled a home and home with Miami....

if its about marketing and recruiting hot beds, please explain why Miami is going to Jonesboro, AR next month or why Oregon is going to Laramie?

Guys, I can poke holes all day into your excuses but the AD's at the schools mentioned above have figured it out. USM can do the same. We have always been poor. We have historically had the smallest of budgets in Div 1. It has been done before at USM and it can happen again in todays economy. Just look at the schedules above for proof.

We've also historically been a royal pain in the ass to teams willing to schedule us. As somebody else said, there are numerous other factors in play. You think Cal will ever come back after we cost them a BCS title shot last time they were in town? Florida State wasn't ever coming back as long as Bobby Bowden was the coach. There are a lot of truly god-awful P5 teams on your above list willing to bend on terms just to schedule FBS teams they think they can actually beat.

State refused to play us at all anywhere for 25 years because the potential of losing was too high for their comfort. I still believe we asked for the 3rd game to score the extra cash, but just for the sake of supposing, it's not out of the realm of possibility that State needed the pot sweetened to come to Hattiesburg for only the 6th time in 84 years. And you can't tell me Texas Tech or Oregon or whoever the hell else you want to throw out would generate more interest or revenue for us than getting State back over here.

They'll be playing in Hattiesburg for the 6th time. Ever. Quit wringing your hands over a second road trip making our collective pecker look 1/32nd of an inch shorter than theirs and just appreciate the fact that we not only got the game, but a low-expense payday to boot.

that's 0.03125 for the fractionally challenged sect.....

I don't understand any :thumbsdown: with this deal....

(08-09-2017 09:20 PM)Nuggets Ghost Wrote:  Can't disclose the terms but it's pretty sweet.

A pack of gummi worms and a 12 pack of Faygo. Well done Milbert.

(08-09-2017 02:37 PM)TTT Wrote:  

(08-08-2017 09:38 PM)Reggie Favre Wrote:  

(08-08-2017 09:37 PM)TTT Wrote:  There are PLENTY of high level P5 teams that would love to pay us 2mill that I'm sure have open slots....

Name one

Florida State. They still have an opening in '19.

(08-08-2017 08:37 PM)TTT Wrote:  Y'all are idiots. We just did a home and home with state!!! Why agree to a 2 for 1??? This does nothing but show our administration is WEAK and/or stupid. If we can do home and homes with Kentucky, UVA, Kansas, and BYU then why can't MSU? If they won't then screw em. We'll find another low level P5 school who will do a home and home.

Little late here, but that deal was signed when we were still had our reputation intact. Also, State was just coming off the Croom era and was probably the worst program in the SEC at the time.

You can say we signed 1-1s with UK, UVA, KU, etc (all of which are below State), but they have all the bargaining power in this deal. Cohen/MSU can turn that around and say they signed 2-1s with MTSU, LaTech, and USA so why would they give us a 1-1?

We desperately need to get recognizable opponents to Hattiesburg. After this year, it's likely that our next P5 home game isn't for another 7 years. Not going to look it up, but that has to be the longest such gap in program history in the BCS/P5 era.

Try and do 2-1s with middle class and upper middle class P5 teams. Mississippi State, West Virginia, Utah, Oklahoma State, etc. These are teams that we'd probably use to be able get 1-1s with but not anymore. Only demand 1-1 deals with the bottom 10-15 P5 schools. Vandy, Iowa State, Indiana, Oregon State, NC State, etc.

Quote: it's likely that our next P5 home game isn't for another 7 years.

Believe it or not, but right now the MS State game IS our next P5 home game.

(08-10-2017 10:50 AM)DaSaintFan Wrote:  

Quote: it's likely that our next P5 home game isn't for another 7 years.

Believe it or not, but right now the MS State game IS our next P5 home game.

I think he believes it...