(08-05-2017 11:17 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 11:01 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 10:48 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-04-2017 09:26 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  My only thing is that Memphis still has two open spots this year, and according to some, there will be more defections at the end of the 2017-18 season, so what is the harm on taking a kid a) who Wichita State wants, 2) who WANTS to come to Memphis, and 3) is willing to redshirt and be a four year player?

Most of you think Tubby is a lazy recruiter. Now, he's got two local kids (Crutcher and Brown) that want to play for the Tigers. It's simple, if he thought they'd help, he'd sign them. I think if Brown would have been available earlier, Tubby would have signed him asap. But, after he signed all the Jucos, I don't think he was needed.

Brown may turn out to be a great college player. Tubby just didn't see it.

Again, Brown is willing to redshirt and there are two spots open, so it's not like Tubby would have had to sign him and be forced to play him this year.

More importantly it's just the inability of this staff to "get it." Late on Douglass. Groundwork should have been out there on Brown regardless. Late on Harris.

Now they are trying to pit Harris vs. Lomax from a position of weakness.

Both those guys already have better offers and Memphis is at least three years away from being a legit S16 type team (if EVERYTHING magically fell into place).

Just blunder after blunder. But hey, Coach BAM! tweets a lot, so there's that.

Man, not sure how to be more clear, but Tubby didn't want him. He decided to pass on him.

He wants Lomax. He's working him hard. Not sure we are ever in a position of strength. It's not like he doesn't have other great offers. So Memphis fills up, it makes for an easy decision... You mentioned better offers. Why choose Memphis over Florida? If it's a better offer, why not just go to the better place?

You make it seem like Tubby can just make Lomax (or Harris) sign now. Neither wants to sign now. How do you make them sign..

We have staff in place 'to make' them sign. They 'make' them sign by being more inviting than the alternatives, by being good recruiters and selling UM Tigers, by identifying talent early and developing relationships.

(08-05-2017 12:47 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 11:17 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 11:01 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 10:48 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-04-2017 09:26 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  My only thing is that Memphis still has two open spots this year, and according to some, there will be more defections at the end of the 2017-18 season, so what is the harm on taking a kid a) who Wichita State wants, 2) who WANTS to come to Memphis, and 3) is willing to redshirt and be a four year player?

Most of you think Tubby is a lazy recruiter. Now, he's got two local kids (Crutcher and Brown) that want to play for the Tigers. It's simple, if he thought they'd help, he'd sign them. I think if Brown would have been available earlier, Tubby would have signed him asap. But, after he signed all the Jucos, I don't think he was needed.

Brown may turn out to be a great college player. Tubby just didn't see it.

Again, Brown is willing to redshirt and there are two spots open, so it's not like Tubby would have had to sign him and be forced to play him this year.

More importantly it's just the inability of this staff to "get it." Late on Douglass. Groundwork should have been out there on Brown regardless. Late on Harris.

Now they are trying to pit Harris vs. Lomax from a position of weakness.

Both those guys already have better offers and Memphis is at least three years away from being a legit S16 type team (if EVERYTHING magically fell into place).

Just blunder after blunder. But hey, Coach BAM! tweets a lot, so there's that.

Man, not sure how to be more clear, but Tubby didn't want him. He decided to pass on him.

He wants Lomax. He's working him hard. Not sure we are ever in a position of strength. It's not like he doesn't have other great offers. So Memphis fills up, it makes for an easy decision... You mentioned better offers. Why choose Memphis over Florida? If it's a better offer, why not just go to the better place?

You make it seem like Tubby can just make Lomax (or Harris) sign now. Neither wants to sign now. How do you make them sign..

We have staff in place 'to make' them sign. They 'make' them sign by being more inviting than the alternatives, by being good recruiters and selling UM Tigers, by identifying talent early and developing relationships.

The entire AAC has signed two kids for 2018.

I have to be honest, if I had the choice between Florida and Memphis, I don't know why I'd pick Memphis. Florida's program is better than ours. They play in a major conference. We've basically done nothing since Cal left. Attendance is dwindling. Apathy is high. Many local stars would advise against playing for Memphis. How many transfers have we had lately?

So sell me. Nice facilities, NBA arena, playing at home (could be a positive or negative), playing time. Why sign now? If other programs have all of these awesome recruiters, why haven't they signed Lomax?

The fact is that many kids choose to wait. You can't force them to sign. All you can do is show your interest (as Tubby is doing) and keep selling. I'm not sure what (short of giving him a bag of cash) you can do. He's visited several time. Tubby assures him that he wants him badly....

These aren't the Calipari years. Between Memphis and Florida, I'd take Florida. We have a very inflated view of our program, but obviously, a lot of kids don't.

Look at human nature. Relationships sell as well or better than logic. You build relationships, if you've fallen behind and your looks aren't that great, you do it with personality.

What was Lomax's first point in that quote he made about Florida?

http://www.gatorcountry.com/florida-gato...isit-soon/


“I love Florida they are a great program and are one big family,” he said. “Coach White and coach [Jordan] Mincy are my main recruiters. They mainly keep telling me that I’m a great kid and that I would be a great fit to the Florida program. Florida and I are very close. We communicate everyday with either Coach [Jordan] Mincy or Coach [Mike] White."

(08-05-2017 11:17 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 11:01 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 10:48 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-04-2017 09:26 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  My only thing is that Memphis still has two open spots this year, and according to some, there will be more defections at the end of the 2017-18 season, so what is the harm on taking a kid a) who Wichita State wants, 2) who WANTS to come to Memphis, and 3) is willing to redshirt and be a four year player?

Most of you think Tubby is a lazy recruiter. Now, he's got two local kids (Crutcher and Brown) that want to play for the Tigers. It's simple, if he thought they'd help, he'd sign them. I think if Brown would have been available earlier, Tubby would have signed him asap. But, after he signed all the Jucos, I don't think he was needed.

Brown may turn out to be a great college player. Tubby just didn't see it.

Again, Brown is willing to redshirt and there are two spots open, so it's not like Tubby would have had to sign him and be forced to play him this year.

More importantly it's just the inability of this staff to "get it." Late on Douglass. Groundwork should have been out there on Brown regardless. Late on Harris.

Now they are trying to pit Harris vs. Lomax from a position of weakness.

Both those guys already have better offers and Memphis is at least three years away from being a legit S16 type team (if EVERYTHING magically fell into place).

Just blunder after blunder. But hey, Coach BAM! tweets a lot, so there's that.

Man, not sure how to be more clear, but Tubby didn't want him. He decided to pass on him.

He wants Lomax. He's working him hard. Not sure we are ever in a position of strength. It's not like he doesn't have other great offers. So Memphis fills up, it makes for an easy decision... You mentioned better offers. Why choose Memphis over Florida? If it's a better offer, why not just go to the better place?

You make it seem like Tubby can just make Lomax (or Harris) sign now. Neither wants to sign now. How do you make them sign..

I don't make it "seem" like anything.

I just noted that a) Tubby's been after Lomax for a while and b) Tubby's been dragging his feet on Harris.

Now, they all of a sudden are doing an about face on Harris and telling him "he's their guy" which is an odd angle to start at this point in the recruiting process. The implication to the two now is "first one to accept gets the offer."

Very odd time in the recruiting process to attempt this strategy.

(08-05-2017 01:36 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Look at human nature. Relationships sell as well or better than logic. You build relationships, if you've fallen behind and your looks aren't that great, you do it with personality.

What was Lomax's first point in that quote he made about Florida?

http://www.gatorcountry.com/florida-gato...isit-soon/


“I love Florida they are a great program and are one big family,” he said. “Coach White and coach [Jordan] Mincy are my main recruiters. They mainly keep telling me that I’m a great kid and that I would be a great fit to the Florida program. Florida and I are very close. We communicate everyday with either Coach [Jordan] Mincy or Coach [Mike] White."

Tubby does the same. He talks to him daily and tells him he is his number 1 priority. While you want to bash Tubby, he is recruiting him just as hard. It's probably a harder sale though.

But, if Florida's staff is so superior, why hasn't he signed with them? What about Andy Kennedy? Why hasn't he signed with him?

Bottom line, you can't make the kid sign...

(08-05-2017 01:05 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 12:47 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 11:17 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 11:01 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 10:48 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Most of you think Tubby is a lazy recruiter. Now, he's got two local kids (Crutcher and Brown) that want to play for the Tigers. It's simple, if he thought they'd help, he'd sign them. I think if Brown would have been available earlier, Tubby would have signed him asap. But, after he signed all the Jucos, I don't think he was needed.

Brown may turn out to be a great college player. Tubby just didn't see it.

Again, Brown is willing to redshirt and there are two spots open, so it's not like Tubby would have had to sign him and be forced to play him this year.

More importantly it's just the inability of this staff to "get it." Late on Douglass. Groundwork should have been out there on Brown regardless. Late on Harris.

Now they are trying to pit Harris vs. Lomax from a position of weakness.

Both those guys already have better offers and Memphis is at least three years away from being a legit S16 type team (if EVERYTHING magically fell into place).

Just blunder after blunder. But hey, Coach BAM! tweets a lot, so there's that.

Man, not sure how to be more clear, but Tubby didn't want him. He decided to pass on him.

He wants Lomax. He's working him hard. Not sure we are ever in a position of strength. It's not like he doesn't have other great offers. So Memphis fills up, it makes for an easy decision... You mentioned better offers. Why choose Memphis over Florida? If it's a better offer, why not just go to the better place?

You make it seem like Tubby can just make Lomax (or Harris) sign now. Neither wants to sign now. How do you make them sign..

We have staff in place 'to make' them sign. They 'make' them sign by being more inviting than the alternatives, by being good recruiters and selling UM Tigers, by identifying talent early and developing relationships.

The entire AAC has signed two kids for 2018.

I have to be honest, if I had the choice between Florida and Memphis, I don't know why I'd pick Memphis. Florida's program is better than ours. They play in a major conference. We've basically done nothing since Cal left. Attendance is dwindling. Apathy is high. Many local stars would advise against playing for Memphis. How many transfers have we had lately?

So sell me. Nice facilities, NBA arena, playing at home (could be a positive or negative), playing time. Why sign now? If other programs have all of these awesome recruiters, why haven't they signed Lomax?

The fact is that many kids choose to wait. You can't force them to sign. All you can do is show your interest (as Tubby is doing) and keep selling. I'm not sure what (short of giving him a bag of cash) you can do. He's visited several time. Tubby assures him that he wants him badly....

These aren't the Calipari years. Between Memphis and Florida, I'd take Florida. We have a very inflated view of our program, but obviously, a lot of kids don't.

Exactly, so pulling the "first one to bite get the scholarship gets it" seems like a bad idea.

(08-05-2017 01:47 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 01:05 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 12:47 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 11:17 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 11:01 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Again, Brown is willing to redshirt and there are two spots open, so it's not like Tubby would have had to sign him and be forced to play him this year.

More importantly it's just the inability of this staff to "get it." Late on Douglass. Groundwork should have been out there on Brown regardless. Late on Harris.

Now they are trying to pit Harris vs. Lomax from a position of weakness.

Both those guys already have better offers and Memphis is at least three years away from being a legit S16 type team (if EVERYTHING magically fell into place).

Just blunder after blunder. But hey, Coach BAM! tweets a lot, so there's that.

Man, not sure how to be more clear, but Tubby didn't want him. He decided to pass on him.

He wants Lomax. He's working him hard. Not sure we are ever in a position of strength. It's not like he doesn't have other great offers. So Memphis fills up, it makes for an easy decision... You mentioned better offers. Why choose Memphis over Florida? If it's a better offer, why not just go to the better place?

You make it seem like Tubby can just make Lomax (or Harris) sign now. Neither wants to sign now. How do you make them sign..

We have staff in place 'to make' them sign. They 'make' them sign by being more inviting than the alternatives, by being good recruiters and selling UM Tigers, by identifying talent early and developing relationships.

The entire AAC has signed two kids for 2018.

I have to be honest, if I had the choice between Florida and Memphis, I don't know why I'd pick Memphis. Florida's program is better than ours. They play in a major conference. We've basically done nothing since Cal left. Attendance is dwindling. Apathy is high. Many local stars would advise against playing for Memphis. How many transfers have we had lately?

So sell me. Nice facilities, NBA arena, playing at home (could be a positive or negative), playing time. Why sign now? If other programs have all of these awesome recruiters, why haven't they signed Lomax?

The fact is that many kids choose to wait. You can't force them to sign. All you can do is show your interest (as Tubby is doing) and keep selling. I'm not sure what (short of giving him a bag of cash) you can do. He's visited several time. Tubby assures him that he wants him badly....

These aren't the Calipari years. Between Memphis and Florida, I'd take Florida. We have a very inflated view of our program, but obviously, a lot of kids don't.

Exactly, so pulling the "first one to bite get the scholarship gets it" seems like a bad idea.

I think he's having doubts about Lomax. Jonah changed his prediction, which is his best guess, but usually based on some decent info. That said, it's certainly not a done deal and we're still in it.

At some point you gotta start looking elsewhere or you end up with nothing. He definitely wants Lomax, but will gladly take Harris if things don't pan out..

(08-05-2017 01:47 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 01:36 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Look at human nature. Relationships sell as well or better than logic. You build relationships, if you've fallen behind and your looks aren't that great, you do it with personality.

What was Lomax's first point in that quote he made about Florida?

http://www.gatorcountry.com/florida-gato...isit-soon/


“I love Florida they are a great program and are one big family,” he said. “Coach White and coach [Jordan] Mincy are my main recruiters. They mainly keep telling me that I’m a great kid and that I would be a great fit to the Florida program. Florida and I are very close. We communicate everyday with either Coach [Jordan] Mincy or Coach [Mike] White."

Tubby does the same. He talks to him daily and tells him he is his number 1 priority. While you want to bash Tubby, he is recruiting him just as hard. It's probably a harder sale though.

But, if Florida's staff is so superior, why hasn't he signed with them? What about Andy Kennedy? Why hasn't he signed with him?

Bottom line, you can't make the kid sign...

Bashing is your word. I'm looking at the results of what Tubby has done in Memphis.

AT one point in this forum, Lomax was a sure thing. People were trying to bet me cash (not milkshakes) he was in the bag.

Lomax was the showpiece who would stand as proof that Tubby could recruit.

People who mentioned Harris might be a good player were not well received.

How did we get to this point where we are taking what we can get?

(08-05-2017 02:28 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 01:47 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 01:36 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Look at human nature. Relationships sell as well or better than logic. You build relationships, if you've fallen behind and your looks aren't that great, you do it with personality.

What was Lomax's first point in that quote he made about Florida?

http://www.gatorcountry.com/florida-gato...isit-soon/


“I love Florida they are a great program and are one big family,” he said. “Coach White and coach [Jordan] Mincy are my main recruiters. They mainly keep telling me that I’m a great kid and that I would be a great fit to the Florida program. Florida and I are very close. We communicate everyday with either Coach [Jordan] Mincy or Coach [Mike] White."

Tubby does the same. He talks to him daily and tells him he is his number 1 priority. While you want to bash Tubby, he is recruiting him just as hard. It's probably a harder sale though.

But, if Florida's staff is so superior, why hasn't he signed with them? What about Andy Kennedy? Why hasn't he signed with him?

Bottom line, you can't make the kid sign...

Bashing is your word. I'm looking at the results of what Tubby has done in Memphis.

AT one point in this forum, Lomax was a sure thing. People were trying to bet me cash (not milkshakes) he was in the bag.

Lomax was the showpiece who would stand as proof that Tubby could recruit.

People who mentioned Harris might be a good player were not well received.

How did we get to this point where we are taking what we can get?

Lomax had said (and I'll find the link if you want) that he wasn't planning on signing until winter. No one said (at least I didn't) that he was a sure thing. He was a strong Memphis lean, that's all. My guess is that he still signs with us.

Some people think Harris is better, others Lomax. I've seen Lomax play more, and I've walked away completely impressed. It's just my opinion. But both players are really good.

So, you have to ask yourself, do you wait for the guy you like better, but says he isn't going to sign for several months? Or do you start looking at viable alternatives elsewhere? Seriously, what would you do?

To you, the guy can't do anything right. He can't even make Lomax sign! So, are all of the other coaches that are chasing him (and Florida calls everyday) also failures? Just trying to follow your logic.

So that's where we are. While I understand your impatience, look at AAC 2018 recruiting. Where are all the signees? Face it, we aren't Kentucky, Duke, UNC, or Arizona. Hell, were not even Butler. This program, historically, has thrived off local kids. Right now, we don't seem to be producing a lot of high ranked kids. And, the ones that are really good are looking for better programs.

Impatience is not what I'm feeling. Neither am I feeling disgust for anyone, as you mentioned in another thread. Tubby is just one cog in the wheel--albeit a large one.

I'm looking at where we stand now and how we got here.... and trying to come up with what it would take to reverse this trend.

If we can't get the Memphis kids we aimed for--the ones with very strong ties to our program, the trend is headed further down. shrug

(08-05-2017 03:11 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  Impatience is not what I'm feeling. Neither am I feeling disgust for anyone, as you mentioned in another thread. Tubby is just one cog in the wheel--albeit a large one.

I'm looking at where we stand now and how we got here.... and trying to come up with what it would take to reverse this trend.

If we can't get the Memphis kids we aimed for--the ones with very strong ties to our program, the trend is headed further down. shrug

I believe we've hit rock bottom. I hope so.

This downward spiral has been happening for awhile. Before Tubby got here. Local kids have turned against the program. We've been an afterthought since Cal left.

I also agree that it would help to land a couple of good local kids. Lomax or Harris for sure.

I'm still thinking NCAA in 2018....

But I do like that you are looking for ways to solve problems. As I said before, I think you are a passionate, terrific Tiger fan and I have lots of respect for that! Go Tigers!

(08-05-2017 01:05 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 12:47 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 11:17 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 11:01 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 10:48 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Most of you think Tubby is a lazy recruiter. Now, he's got two local kids (Crutcher and Brown) that want to play for the Tigers. It's simple, if he thought they'd help, he'd sign them. I think if Brown would have been available earlier, Tubby would have signed him asap. But, after he signed all the Jucos, I don't think he was needed.

Brown may turn out to be a great college player. Tubby just didn't see it.

Again, Brown is willing to redshirt and there are two spots open, so it's not like Tubby would have had to sign him and be forced to play him this year.

More importantly it's just the inability of this staff to "get it." Late on Douglass. Groundwork should have been out there on Brown regardless. Late on Harris.

Now they are trying to pit Harris vs. Lomax from a position of weakness.

Both those guys already have better offers and Memphis is at least three years away from being a legit S16 type team (if EVERYTHING magically fell into place).

Just blunder after blunder. But hey, Coach BAM! tweets a lot, so there's that.

Man, not sure how to be more clear, but Tubby didn't want him. He decided to pass on him.

He wants Lomax. He's working him hard. Not sure we are ever in a position of strength. It's not like he doesn't have other great offers. So Memphis fills up, it makes for an easy decision... You mentioned better offers. Why choose Memphis over Florida? If it's a better offer, why not just go to the better place?

You make it seem like Tubby can just make Lomax (or Harris) sign now. Neither wants to sign now. How do you make them sign..

We have staff in place 'to make' them sign. They 'make' them sign by being more inviting than the alternatives, by being good recruiters and selling UM Tigers, by identifying talent early and developing relationships.

The entire AAC has signed two kids for 2018.

I have to be honest, if I had the choice between Florida and Memphis, I don't know why I'd pick Memphis. Florida's program is better than ours. They play in a major conference. We've basically done nothing since Cal left. Attendance is dwindling. Apathy is high. Many local stars would advise against playing for Memphis. How many transfers have we had lately?

So sell me. Nice facilities, NBA arena, playing at home (could be a positive or negative), playing time. Why sign now? If other programs have all of these awesome recruiters, why haven't they signed Lomax?

The fact is that many kids choose to wait. You can't force them to sign. All you can do is show your interest (as Tubby is doing) and keep selling. I'm not sure what (short of giving him a bag of cash) you can do. He's visited several time. Tubby assures him that he wants him badly....

These aren't the Calipari years. Between Memphis and Florida, I'd take Florida. We have a very inflated view of our program, but obviously, a lot of kids don't.

Quote:I have to be honest, if I had the choice between Florida and Memphis, I don't know why I'd pick Memphis.

Purely because of Tubby. Jones left, Memphis was a great choice and when Cal left, Memphis was a great choice and it's a great choice now. If White at Florida sucked, nobody would go there. Florida is a better choice only because of the coach.

(08-05-2017 08:00 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 01:05 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 12:47 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 11:17 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 11:01 AM)salukiblue Wrote:  Again, Brown is willing to redshirt and there are two spots open, so it's not like Tubby would have had to sign him and be forced to play him this year.

More importantly it's just the inability of this staff to "get it." Late on Douglass. Groundwork should have been out there on Brown regardless. Late on Harris.

Now they are trying to pit Harris vs. Lomax from a position of weakness.

Both those guys already have better offers and Memphis is at least three years away from being a legit S16 type team (if EVERYTHING magically fell into place).

Just blunder after blunder. But hey, Coach BAM! tweets a lot, so there's that.

Man, not sure how to be more clear, but Tubby didn't want him. He decided to pass on him.

He wants Lomax. He's working him hard. Not sure we are ever in a position of strength. It's not like he doesn't have other great offers. So Memphis fills up, it makes for an easy decision... You mentioned better offers. Why choose Memphis over Florida? If it's a better offer, why not just go to the better place?

You make it seem like Tubby can just make Lomax (or Harris) sign now. Neither wants to sign now. How do you make them sign..

We have staff in place 'to make' them sign. They 'make' them sign by being more inviting than the alternatives, by being good recruiters and selling UM Tigers, by identifying talent early and developing relationships.

The entire AAC has signed two kids for 2018.

I have to be honest, if I had the choice between Florida and Memphis, I don't know why I'd pick Memphis. Florida's program is better than ours. They play in a major conference. We've basically done nothing since Cal left. Attendance is dwindling. Apathy is high. Many local stars would advise against playing for Memphis. How many transfers have we had lately?

So sell me. Nice facilities, NBA arena, playing at home (could be a positive or negative), playing time. Why sign now? If other programs have all of these awesome recruiters, why haven't they signed Lomax?

The fact is that many kids choose to wait. You can't force them to sign. All you can do is show your interest (as Tubby is doing) and keep selling. I'm not sure what (short of giving him a bag of cash) you can do. He's visited several time. Tubby assures him that he wants him badly....

These aren't the Calipari years. Between Memphis and Florida, I'd take Florida. We have a very inflated view of our program, but obviously, a lot of kids don't.

Quote:I have to be honest, if I had the choice between Florida and Memphis, I don't know why I'd pick Memphis.

Purely because of Tubby. Jones left, Memphis was a great choice and when Cal left, Memphis was a great choice and it's a great choice now. If White at Florida sucked, nobody would go there. Florida is a better choice only because of the coach.

IKR. I can't believe we are advertising/touting Florida as better than we are on our forum.

(08-05-2017 08:14 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 08:00 PM)Stammers Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 01:05 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 12:47 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 11:17 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Man, not sure how to be more clear, but Tubby didn't want him. He decided to pass on him.

He wants Lomax. He's working him hard. Not sure we are ever in a position of strength. It's not like he doesn't have other great offers. So Memphis fills up, it makes for an easy decision... You mentioned better offers. Why choose Memphis over Florida? If it's a better offer, why not just go to the better place?

You make it seem like Tubby can just make Lomax (or Harris) sign now. Neither wants to sign now. How do you make them sign..

We have staff in place 'to make' them sign. They 'make' them sign by being more inviting than the alternatives, by being good recruiters and selling UM Tigers, by identifying talent early and developing relationships.

The entire AAC has signed two kids for 2018.

I have to be honest, if I had the choice between Florida and Memphis, I don't know why I'd pick Memphis. Florida's program is better than ours. They play in a major conference. We've basically done nothing since Cal left. Attendance is dwindling. Apathy is high. Many local stars would advise against playing for Memphis. How many transfers have we had lately?

So sell me. Nice facilities, NBA arena, playing at home (could be a positive or negative), playing time. Why sign now? If other programs have all of these awesome recruiters, why haven't they signed Lomax?

The fact is that many kids choose to wait. You can't force them to sign. All you can do is show your interest (as Tubby is doing) and keep selling. I'm not sure what (short of giving him a bag of cash) you can do. He's visited several time. Tubby assures him that he wants him badly....

These aren't the Calipari years. Between Memphis and Florida, I'd take Florida. We have a very inflated view of our program, but obviously, a lot of kids don't.

Quote:I have to be honest, if I had the choice between Florida and Memphis, I don't know why I'd pick Memphis.

Purely because of Tubby. Jones left, Memphis was a great choice and when Cal left, Memphis was a great choice and it's a great choice now. If White at Florida sucked, nobody would go there. Florida is a better choice only because of the coach.

IKR. I can't believe we are advertising/touting Florida as better than we are on our forum.

At this very second Florida is the better program. Outside of the schools like UNC, Duke or Kentucky most programs fluctuate . . . While historically Memphis is the stronger program, right now it is most def. Florida and I honestly don't know how that is debatable. If I was Tubby, I would take the first player (outta Lomax and Harris) who decided he wanted to commit to us (if either ends up wanting to) that way he isn't left in the dust and can move on, however, that might take a while.

(08-05-2017 01:51 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 01:47 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 01:05 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 12:47 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 11:17 AM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  Man, not sure how to be more clear, but Tubby didn't want him. He decided to pass on him.

He wants Lomax. He's working him hard. Not sure we are ever in a position of strength. It's not like he doesn't have other great offers. So Memphis fills up, it makes for an easy decision... You mentioned better offers. Why choose Memphis over Florida? If it's a better offer, why not just go to the better place?

You make it seem like Tubby can just make Lomax (or Harris) sign now. Neither wants to sign now. How do you make them sign..

We have staff in place 'to make' them sign. They 'make' them sign by being more inviting than the alternatives, by being good recruiters and selling UM Tigers, by identifying talent early and developing relationships.

The entire AAC has signed two kids for 2018.

I have to be honest, if I had the choice between Florida and Memphis, I don't know why I'd pick Memphis. Florida's program is better than ours. They play in a major conference. We've basically done nothing since Cal left. Attendance is dwindling. Apathy is high. Many local stars would advise against playing for Memphis. How many transfers have we had lately?

So sell me. Nice facilities, NBA arena, playing at home (could be a positive or negative), playing time. Why sign now? If other programs have all of these awesome recruiters, why haven't they signed Lomax?

The fact is that many kids choose to wait. You can't force them to sign. All you can do is show your interest (as Tubby is doing) and keep selling. I'm not sure what (short of giving him a bag of cash) you can do. He's visited several time. Tubby assures him that he wants him badly....

These aren't the Calipari years. Between Memphis and Florida, I'd take Florida. We have a very inflated view of our program, but obviously, a lot of kids don't.

Exactly, so pulling the "first one to bite get the scholarship gets it" seems like a bad idea.

I think he's having doubts about Lomax. Jonah changed his prediction, which is his best guess, but usually based on some decent info. That said, it's certainly not a done deal and we're still in it.

At some point you gotta start looking elsewhere or you end up with nothing. He definitely wants Lomax, but will gladly take Harris if things don't pan out..

The only problem is Brown stated (per the OP) that Memphis has done a poor job recruiting Harris, and that he believes Lomax is our only real option locally. If we strike out on both, we may see a new rock bottom.

(08-06-2017 07:07 AM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 01:51 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 01:47 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 01:05 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 12:47 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  We have staff in place 'to make' them sign. They 'make' them sign by being more inviting than the alternatives, by being good recruiters and selling UM Tigers, by identifying talent early and developing relationships.

The entire AAC has signed two kids for 2018.

I have to be honest, if I had the choice between Florida and Memphis, I don't know why I'd pick Memphis. Florida's program is better than ours. They play in a major conference. We've basically done nothing since Cal left. Attendance is dwindling. Apathy is high. Many local stars would advise against playing for Memphis. How many transfers have we had lately?

So sell me. Nice facilities, NBA arena, playing at home (could be a positive or negative), playing time. Why sign now? If other programs have all of these awesome recruiters, why haven't they signed Lomax?

The fact is that many kids choose to wait. You can't force them to sign. All you can do is show your interest (as Tubby is doing) and keep selling. I'm not sure what (short of giving him a bag of cash) you can do. He's visited several time. Tubby assures him that he wants him badly....

These aren't the Calipari years. Between Memphis and Florida, I'd take Florida. We have a very inflated view of our program, but obviously, a lot of kids don't.

Exactly, so pulling the "first one to bite get the scholarship gets it" seems like a bad idea.

I think he's having doubts about Lomax. Jonah changed his prediction, which is his best guess, but usually based on some decent info. That said, it's certainly not a done deal and we're still in it.

At some point you gotta start looking elsewhere or you end up with nothing. He definitely wants Lomax, but will gladly take Harris if things don't pan out..

The only problem is Brown stated (per the OP) that Memphis has done a poor job recruiting Harris, and that he believes Lomax is our only real option locally. If we strike out on both, we may see a new rock bottom.

I think we've sunk to the lowest rock bottom strata. Next stop molten lava.

(08-06-2017 07:07 AM)ksigtigerdood Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 01:51 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 01:47 PM)salukiblue Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 01:05 PM)memtiger1987 Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 12:47 PM)snowtiger Wrote:  We have staff in place 'to make' them sign. They 'make' them sign by being more inviting than the alternatives, by being good recruiters and selling UM Tigers, by identifying talent early and developing relationships.

The entire AAC has signed two kids for 2018.

I have to be honest, if I had the choice between Florida and Memphis, I don't know why I'd pick Memphis. Florida's program is better than ours. They play in a major conference. We've basically done nothing since Cal left. Attendance is dwindling. Apathy is high. Many local stars would advise against playing for Memphis. How many transfers have we had lately?

So sell me. Nice facilities, NBA arena, playing at home (could be a positive or negative), playing time. Why sign now? If other programs have all of these awesome recruiters, why haven't they signed Lomax?

The fact is that many kids choose to wait. You can't force them to sign. All you can do is show your interest (as Tubby is doing) and keep selling. I'm not sure what (short of giving him a bag of cash) you can do. He's visited several time. Tubby assures him that he wants him badly....

These aren't the Calipari years. Between Memphis and Florida, I'd take Florida. We have a very inflated view of our program, but obviously, a lot of kids don't.

Exactly, so pulling the "first one to bite get the scholarship gets it" seems like a bad idea.

I think he's having doubts about Lomax. Jonah changed his prediction, which is his best guess, but usually based on some decent info. That said, it's certainly not a done deal and we're still in it.

At some point you gotta start looking elsewhere or you end up with nothing. He definitely wants Lomax, but will gladly take Harris if things don't pan out..

The only problem is Brown stated (per the OP) that Memphis has done a poor job recruiting Harris, and that he believes Lomax is our only real option locally. If we strike out on both, we may see a new rock bottom.

A yawning abyss looms.

^More rational facts meant to be constructive. Way to stick to your guns.

(08-06-2017 03:16 AM)EricSigEpTNBeta183 Wrote:  At this very second Florida is the better program. Outside of the schools like UNC, Duke or Kentucky most programs fluctuate . . . While historically Memphis is the stronger program, right now it is most def. Florida and I honestly don't know how that is debatable. If I was Tubby, I would take the first player (outta Lomax and Harris) who decided he wanted to commit to us (if either ends up wanting to) that way he isn't left in the dust and can move on, however, that might take a while.

Well, neither one of us made it to the NCAA tourney in 2015 or 2016. The AAC is as good as the SEC in basketball. Our basketball facilities are top notch. I believe that White the Florida coach started in 2015, while Coach Smith began in 2016. Of the two, Coach Smith has a longer and more successful season.

So no, I don't think that Florida is the best program at the moment.