(08-03-2017 09:15 PM)NDTiger Wrote:  

(08-03-2017 04:05 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-03-2017 03:10 PM)NDTiger Wrote:  Magic formula for OOC games:
- 1 1AA
- 1 MAC, CUSA, or Sunbelt
- 1 MW or Low/Mid P5
- 1 High P5

An objective is to have 7 home games. Hard to do with that formula. Maybe 1 out of 3 years is all.

I have to disagree. The 1-AA is always a home game. The others are often a Home and Home series.

So with 4 home conference games, a 1-AA home game, and 3 home-homes = you end up with 7 games every other year. Not every year. And it's becoming increasingly difficult to get home-home with the High P5. More likely a 2 for 1 scenario at best. That means you're down to 7 homes once every three years.

I'm considering a road trip depending on my schedule next month

GA tech will not give us a home and home. So what, go to their house and whip their ass, it will be more impressive

(08-07-2017 02:53 PM)memphisike Wrote:  GA tech will not give us a home and home. So what, go to their house and whip their ass, it will be more impressive

It's not profitable and we are too good to be a "buy" game

(08-07-2017 02:53 PM)memphisike Wrote:  GA tech will not give us a home and home. So what, go to their house and whip their ass, it will be more impressive

Actually this is exactly how FSU built their program. They played away games at Nebraska in 80, 81, 82, at LSU 80, 81, 82, at Notre Dame in 81, at Ohio St 81 & 82, at Pitt 81 & 82 - with no return games at FSU and in each of these years still played UF, Miami, Southern Miss & Memphis H&H. This was the FSU pattern through the 80s. They didn't win them all but enough to gain nationwide recognition of their program. And after 10-12 yrs of this approach had their choice to join either the ACC or SEC.

And to put this in perspective, FSU & Memphis were considered peer programs in the 60-70s.

(08-08-2017 09:01 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-07-2017 02:53 PM)memphisike Wrote:  GA tech will not give us a home and home. So what, go to their house and whip their ass, it will be more impressive

Actually this is exactly how FSU built their program. They played away games at Nebraska in 80, 81, 82, at LSU 80, 81, 82, at Notre Dame in 81, at Ohio St 81 & 82, at Pitt 81 & 82 - with no return games at FSU and in each of these years still played UF, Miami, Southern Miss & Memphis H&H. This was the FSU pattern through the 80s. They didn't win them all but enough to gain nationwide recognition of their program. And after 10-12 yrs of this approach had their choice to join either the ACC or SEC.

And to put this in perspective, FSU & Memphis were considered peer programs in the 60-70s.

They did, but I think it's an outdated model now. The divide is so much wider now, you take those games and you're likely taking a bunch of L's. No one other than Alabama consistently goes on the road and wins big games. Back then FSU was pumping money into their program at a rate already comparable to some of the ACC and SEC schools. So the field was much more level.

Southern Miss also tried it on a much smaller budget. It worked for awhile. But it didn't get them anywhere.

(08-08-2017 05:12 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-08-2017 09:01 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-07-2017 02:53 PM)memphisike Wrote:  GA tech will not give us a home and home. So what, go to their house and whip their ass, it will be more impressive

Actually this is exactly how FSU built their program. They played away games at Nebraska in 80, 81, 82, at LSU 80, 81, 82, at Notre Dame in 81, at Ohio St 81 & 82, at Pitt 81 & 82 - with no return games at FSU and in each of these years still played UF, Miami, Southern Miss & Memphis H&H. This was the FSU pattern through the 80s. They didn't win them all but enough to gain nationwide recognition of their program. And after 10-12 yrs of this approach had their choice to join either the ACC or SEC.

And to put this in perspective, FSU & Memphis were considered peer programs in the 60-70s.

They did, but I think it's an outdated model now. The divide is so much wider now, you take those games and you're likely taking a bunch of L's. No one other than Alabama consistently goes on the road and wins big games. Back then FSU was pumping money into their program at a rate already comparable to some of the ACC and SEC schools. So the field was much more level.

Southern Miss also tried it on a much smaller budget. It worked for awhile. But it didn't get them anywhere.

But had Memphis done what Southern Miss did then it likely would have, IMO. Southern Miss has a geography problem that will now never go away. TV drives everything today and it was even essential to FSU's rise, even though TV was just beginning to move associations more than an OCS. FSU used those national wins over Neb, OSU & some others to gain a national recognition that could have never been gained through a regional scheduling like Memphis continued. We accepted our place in the 60s & lost ground for the next 40 yrs. while FSU moved forward from a point where we were peer programs, at least on the field. No doubt the state of FL also gave FSU the resources to compete with UF, while we were a step child to UTK getting scraps

Just bought my tickets Row 6 Section 130

(08-08-2017 05:12 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-08-2017 09:01 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-07-2017 02:53 PM)memphisike Wrote:  GA tech will not give us a home and home. So what, go to their house and whip their ass, it will be more impressive

Actually this is exactly how FSU built their program. They played away games at Nebraska in 80, 81, 82, at LSU 80, 81, 82, at Notre Dame in 81, at Ohio St 81 & 82, at Pitt 81 & 82 - with no return games at FSU and in each of these years still played UF, Miami, Southern Miss & Memphis H&H. This was the FSU pattern through the 80s. They didn't win them all but enough to gain nationwide recognition of their program. And after 10-12 yrs of this approach had their choice to join either the ACC or SEC.

And to put this in perspective, FSU & Memphis were considered peer programs in the 60-70s.

They did, but I think it's an outdated model now. The divide is so much wider now, you take those games and you're likely taking a bunch of L's. No one other than Alabama consistently goes on the road and wins big games. Back then FSU was pumping money into their program at a rate already comparable to some of the ACC and SEC schools. So the field was much more level.

Southern Miss also tried it on a much smaller budget. It worked for awhile. But it didn't get them anywhere.

Southern Miss also ran into a money crunch at about the same time expansion talk was heating up.
If they had been able to continue the path they had been on...who knows where they'd be?
At the very worst, they might be AAC conference mates with us. (I still see that happening in the future, although Tulane gives us some access to the Gulf Coast region, USM would give us more of the Mississippi market.)

With Ole Miss expected to go in the crapper, a rising USM program could become a good football program again for that state.

(08-31-2017 02:33 PM)EarthBoundMisfit Wrote:  With Ole Miss expected to go in the crapper, a rising USM program could become a good football program again for that state.

I'm convinced the state of MS will never fund USM as they should but will instead continue to pour $$$ down the black hole known as OM. It's a shame, USM has done much more with what little they get than OM or MSU & their multiple millions.

got tickets in the mail today

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(08-08-2017 05:22 PM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-08-2017 05:12 PM)Tiger87 Wrote:  

(08-08-2017 09:01 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-07-2017 02:53 PM)memphisike Wrote:  GA tech will not give us a home and home. So what, go to their house and whip their ass, it will be more impressive

Actually this is exactly how FSU built their program. They played away games at Nebraska in 80, 81, 82, at LSU 80, 81, 82, at Notre Dame in 81, at Ohio St 81 & 82, at Pitt 81 & 82 - with no return games at FSU and in each of these years still played UF, Miami, Southern Miss & Memphis H&H. This was the FSU pattern through the 80s. They didn't win them all but enough to gain nationwide recognition of their program. And after 10-12 yrs of this approach had their choice to join either the ACC or SEC.

And to put this in perspective, FSU & Memphis were considered peer programs in the 60-70s.

They did, but I think it's an outdated model now. The divide is so much wider now, you take those games and you're likely taking a bunch of L's. No one other than Alabama consistently goes on the road and wins big games. Back then FSU was pumping money into their program at a rate already comparable to some of the ACC and SEC schools. So the field was much more level.

Southern Miss also tried it on a much smaller budget. It worked for awhile. But it didn't get them anywhere.

But had Memphis done what Southern Miss did then it likely would have, IMO. Southern Miss has a geography problem that will now never go away. TV drives everything today and it was even essential to FSU's rise, even though TV was just beginning to move associations more than an OCS. FSU used those national wins over Neb, OSU & some others to gain a national recognition that could have never been gained through a regional scheduling like Memphis continued. We accepted our place in the 60s & lost ground for the next 40 yrs. while FSU moved forward from a point where we were peer programs, at least on the field. No doubt the state of FL also gave FSU the resources to compete with UF, while we were a step child to UTK getting scraps

Have you looked at our schedules in the 70's, 80's and 90's?

(08-06-2017 07:49 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 06:44 PM)panama Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 10:03 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 09:21 AM)panama Wrote:  

(08-05-2017 06:08 AM)Atlanta Wrote:  For sure we aren't GS in the SB - but you're right they have much better fan support that GSU. And it may be a stretch for GSU to get 15K to the Memphis game, 4K-5K is more likely.

You mean Memphis fans?

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No, meant what I said...we are far ahead of GS (GA Southern) who just happens to equally be far ahead of GSU when it comes to fan support. At this point GSU is smoke and mirrors when it comes to performance & fan support. Maybe GSU will make progress as you predict in those areas. For sure GSU has done amazingly well from the political view, to gain city, state & private financial support but at some point very soon GSU is going to have to have some success on the FB field & with fans to sustain what GSU has been given. And this has come to an urgency given the legislature has now limited by law the extent to which students can be extorted for activity fees to support the athletic efforts.

My point is you claimed there was a possibility of outdrawing us in our stadium. We have never had butts in n seats low enough to be outdrawn. But go ahead and prove me wrong. Lets see how many you bring.

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Just a little exaggeration to make the point that GSU fan support is a weakness to your aspiring program. Your pride, promotion of & support for GSU are admirable but your sensitivity to stated reality makes you a target. Let's see if GSU can, in fact, stand on their own over the next few years, achieve the success you predict, or fall back into a survival mode that leads to a decision to abandon your D-1 aspirations & deemphasize the FB program - not much room for anything in between for any of us who are not benefitting from a lucrative P5 conference membership.

Winning games will fix the fan support issue. There is less than a 1% chance of abandoning the program with the investment the University is making in the stadium and surrounding area. There's just no way.

Btw, hearing the Memphis game is looking like an afternoon game.....I'm hoping that means 5:00 PM over 3:00/3:30 PM but the game time should be set within the next few days apparently.

(09-08-2017 01:54 PM)Unionman76 Wrote:  got tickets in the mail today

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Great seats, you'll almost be part of the team! The east sideline is very close the field and players.