(08-02-2017 05:36 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  Lawsuits Claim Disney Colluded to Replace U.S. Workers With Immigrants

Quote:Even after Leo Perrero was laid off a year ago from his technology job at Walt Disney World in Orlando, Fla. — and spent his final amonths there training a temporary immigrant from India to do his work — he still hoped to find a new position in the vast entertainment company.

Disney told American employees they would be given a severance package only if they trained their replacements.



US Department of Labor

H-1B Program

Quote:The H-1B program applies to employers seeking to hire nonimmigrant aliens as workers in specialty occupations or as fashion models of distinguished merit and ability. A specialty occupation is one that requires the application of a body of highly specialized knowledge and the attainment of at least a bachelor’s degree or its equivalent. The intent of the H-1B provisions is to help employers who cannot otherwise obtain needed business skills and abilities from the U.S. workforce by authorizing the temporary employment of qualified individuals who are not otherwise authorized to work in the United States.

The law establishes certain standards in order to protect similarly employed U.S. workers from being adversely affected by the employment of the nonimmigrant workers, as well as to protect the H-1B nonimmigrant workers. Employers must attest to the Department of Labor that they will pay wages to the H-1B nonimmigrant workers that are at least equal to the actual wage paid by the employer to other workers with similar experience and qualifications for the job in question, or the prevailing wage for the occupation in the area of intended employment – whichever is greater.

I believe the Disney workers lost their case, but that does not change the impact to the lives of Americans in this case. They still lost their "specialty labor" jobs to immigrants.

The way companies get around this is by outsourcing. They decide "we can't afford an in house IT staff and bring in TATA or some other agency which is nothing but an H1B farm.

(08-02-2017 02:53 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 02:21 PM)DefCONNOne Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 01:45 PM)chiefsfan Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 01:38 PM)fsquid Wrote:  I can see certain sectors lobby against this on the corporation side.

Plus every immigration advocacy group on earth. It's going to have a hard time getting past the Fillibuster threshold in the senate.

So we'll just mark you and Godzilla down as wanting unlimited unfettered open-borders immigration. How liberal, err...regressive of you!!

Where did I mention my views on immigration? Though again, I love that somehow Liberal has become an insult or something.

It's going to struggle in the senate. It needs 60 votes to escape filibuster, and I don't see the Democratic party supporting it. That's just facts.

I love how you missed the actual insult by focusing on the perceived insult.

(08-02-2017 05:41 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 05:38 PM)bullet Wrote:  H1b is more like a temporary worker program than immgration

Yes. And those temporary workers are bound to their sponsoring company. They can not look elsewhere for employment.

On the other side, they can apply for legal residency.


H1B is a foot in the door (nothing wrong with that) but it also increases the supply of "specialized labor".

With demand constant an increase in supply does what to the price?

My issue with H1B's is that they are filling a lot of the slots that your new college grads should be taking (level 1 support jobs). Not only does that make it harder for those kids, it makes the supply of level 2 and 3 engineers tighter in years to come.

(08-02-2017 05:44 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 05:36 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  Lawsuits Claim Disney Colluded to Replace U.S. Workers With Immigrants

Quote:Even after Leo Perrero was laid off a year ago from his technology job at Walt Disney World in Orlando, Fla. — and spent his final amonths there training a temporary immigrant from India to do his work — he still hoped to find a new position in the vast entertainment company.

Disney told American employees they would be given a severance package only if they trained their replacements.



US Department of Labor

H-1B Program

Quote:The H-1B program applies to employers seeking to hire nonimmigrant aliens as workers in specialty occupations or as fashion models of distinguished merit and ability. A specialty occupation is one that requires the application of a body of highly specialized knowledge and the attainment of at least a bachelor’s degree or its equivalent. The intent of the H-1B provisions is to help employers who cannot otherwise obtain needed business skills and abilities from the U.S. workforce by authorizing the temporary employment of qualified individuals who are not otherwise authorized to work in the United States.

The law establishes certain standards in order to protect similarly employed U.S. workers from being adversely affected by the employment of the nonimmigrant workers, as well as to protect the H-1B nonimmigrant workers. Employers must attest to the Department of Labor that they will pay wages to the H-1B nonimmigrant workers that are at least equal to the actual wage paid by the employer to other workers with similar experience and qualifications for the job in question, or the prevailing wage for the occupation in the area of intended employment – whichever is greater.

I believe the Disney workers lost their case, but that does not change the impact to the lives of Americans in this case. They still lost their "specialty labor" jobs to immigrants.

The way companies get around this is by outsourcing. They decide "we can't afford an in house IT staff and bring in TATA or some other agency which is nothing but an H1B farm.

True.

(08-02-2017 05:50 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 05:41 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 05:38 PM)bullet Wrote:  H1b is more like a temporary worker program than immgration

Yes. And those temporary workers are bound to their sponsoring company. They can not look elsewhere for employment.

On the other side, they can apply for legal residency.


H1B is a foot in the door (nothing wrong with that) but it also increases the supply of "specialized labor".

With demand constant an increase in supply does what to the price?

My issue with H1B's is that they are filling a lot of the slots that your new college grads should be taking (level 1 support jobs). Not only does that make it harder for those kids, it makes the supply of level 2 and 3 engineers tighter in years to come.

Which would drive the need to bring in specialty labor. #viciousCircle

(08-02-2017 05:54 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 05:50 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 05:41 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 05:38 PM)bullet Wrote:  H1b is more like a temporary worker program than immgration

Yes. And those temporary workers are bound to their sponsoring company. They can not look elsewhere for employment.

On the other side, they can apply for legal residency.


H1B is a foot in the door (nothing wrong with that) but it also increases the supply of "specialized labor".

With demand constant an increase in supply does what to the price?

My issue with H1B's is that they are filling a lot of the slots that your new college grads should be taking (level 1 support jobs). Not only does that make it harder for those kids, it makes the supply of level 2 and 3 engineers tighter in years to come.

Which would drive the need to bring in specialty labor. #viciousCircle

I'm at the point where I am level 3 support / lead engineer so as long as I keep up on my training I can hopefully be fine, eventually I'll be like those old mainframe codgers who dotted the landscape when I started.

But I really worry about young people.

Getting a HS dropout off welfare by giving him a job and a paycheck large enough to support himself does wonders our economy and society as a whole. Limiting green cards is a step in the right direction.

(08-02-2017 06:38 PM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  Getting a HS dropout off welfare by giving him a job and a paycheck large enough to support himself does wonders our economy and society as a whole. Limiting green cards is a step in the right direction.

And migrant workers are not sub-human. Farm labor at the right salary is a good job and Americans would do it.

(08-02-2017 06:38 PM)ODU BLUE Wrote:  Getting a HS dropout off welfare by giving him a job and a paycheck large enough to support himself does wonders our economy and society as a whole. Limiting green cards is a step in the right direction.

(Agreed but keeping that kid in HS is better for both our economy and society)

Anyone know the bill number? While I admit that I get the warm and fuzzies from Trump's sensible explanation, he hasn't done anything to prove that he can run a lemonade stand. I have to Obama him.

In Cotton's legislation, it proposed limiting the President's ability to pick the amount of refugees that can enter the country. Would Trump go for that?

(08-02-2017 07:40 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Anyone know the bill number? While I admit that I get the warm and fuzzies from Trump's sensible explanation, he hasn't done anything to prove that he can run a lemonade stand. I have to Obama him.

Does Obama'ing somebody involve stuttering: I, I, I, I, I, I, I...

(08-02-2017 07:52 PM)hoopfan Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 07:40 PM)nomad2u2001 Wrote:  Anyone know the bill number? While I admit that I get the warm and fuzzies from Trump's sensible explanation, he hasn't done anything to prove that he can run a lemonade stand. I have to Obama him.

Does Obama'ing somebody involve stuttering: I, I, I, I, I, I, I...

Good one!

(08-02-2017 05:50 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 05:41 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 05:38 PM)bullet Wrote:  H1b is more like a temporary worker program than immgration

Yes. And those temporary workers are bound to their sponsoring company. They can not look elsewhere for employment.

On the other side, they can apply for legal residency.


H1B is a foot in the door (nothing wrong with that) but it also increases the supply of "specialized labor".

With demand constant an increase in supply does what to the price?

My issue with H1B's is that they are filling a lot of the slots that your new college grads should be taking (level 1 support jobs). Not only does that make it harder for those kids, it makes the supply of level 2 and 3 engineers tighter in years to come.

Plus I can't understand the people on the phone with the thick Pakistani accents

(08-02-2017 04:47 PM)Fort Bend Owl Wrote:  So here's a question - how many of you have ancestors dating back to say 1900 who wouldn't have been able to come to America under these guidelines? I know mine wouldn't - my grandmother came over from Russia (Lithuania) in 1912 I think not knowing a word of English (she was 7 or 8 I think?). My dad's family came from Poland. I don't know as much about them but I will assume they didn't speak English either.

Allmost of mine have been here since the 1700's. The exception would be the Germans on my mother's side. They came over in the early 1800s.

tbh, the argument you're trying to make is irrelevant. We're a nation of 350 million right now with plenty on the gov't dole. We don't need more to build the population and we don't need more sucking up resources if they don't contribute.

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(08-02-2017 05:50 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 05:41 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 05:38 PM)bullet Wrote:  H1b is more like a temporary worker program than immgration

Yes. And those temporary workers are bound to their sponsoring company. They can not look elsewhere for employment.
On the other side, they can apply for legal residency.
H1B is a foot in the door (nothing wrong with that) but it also increases the supply of "specialized labor".
With demand constant an increase in supply does what to the price?

My issue with H1B's is that they are filling a lot of the slots that your new college grads should be taking (level 1 support jobs). Not only does that make it harder for those kids, it makes the supply of level 2 and 3 engineers tighter in years to come.

Part of the problem is that too many Americans are majoring in sociology and gender studies, rather than acquiring useful job skills.

(08-02-2017 08:21 PM)Owl 69/70/75 Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 05:50 PM)Bull_Is_Back Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 05:41 PM)umbluegray Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 05:38 PM)bullet Wrote:  H1b is more like a temporary worker program than immgration

Yes. And those temporary workers are bound to their sponsoring company. They can not look elsewhere for employment.
On the other side, they can apply for legal residency.
H1B is a foot in the door (nothing wrong with that) but it also increases the supply of "specialized labor".
With demand constant an increase in supply does what to the price?

My issue with H1B's is that they are filling a lot of the slots that your new college grads should be taking (level 1 support jobs). Not only does that make it harder for those kids, it makes the supply of level 2 and 3 engineers tighter in years to come.

Part of the problem is that too many Americans are majoring in sociology and gender studies, rather than acquiring useful job skills.

There is that but there is also the time I worked for a fortune 500 company and when we needed someone for a pretty mundane technical audit task. I recommended we put it out there on monster and look for a recent UoM graduate. It would be good on their resume and we could probably get them in for 20-30 per hour.

But instead we went ahead and sent the request to TATA....

Just red meat for the base to distract from the collusion with Russia. Has zero chance of passing but it fills the airwaves with something other than Putin. You guys are so easily manipulated. Do any of you ACTUALLY think this has a snowballs cgance in hell? Hey there's a shiny object over there!!! Pay no attention to me. Go get that object Roscoe.

I keep on thinking what if you had a credible intelligent leader taking this message? It does sell well with people. Why would you put that Miller guy as the face of it if you wanted it to succeed? Comedy of errors.