(08-02-2017 11:57 AM)7 Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 10:28 AM)NIU007 Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 09:49 AM)7 Wrote:  It's hard to play as bad as Santa did in that first game in this offense.

Well, Graham managed it against Boise, though IIRC he was just coming off of an injury. Plus, Santa ran well at least.

Boise and EMU are a little bit different levels of competition

Yea but if you're throwing off target it doesn't matter who you're playing.

Just don't know how you guys see Graham as the answer, imo we have seen enough. There is a culture at NIU now that upperclassmen play no matter what which is a little concerning to me because it reminds me of the Lovie Smith era with the Bears. At some point talent has to matter.

(08-02-2017 07:18 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Just don't know how you guys see Graham as the answer, imo we have seen enough. There is a culture at NIU now that upperclassmen play no matter what which is a little concerning to me because it reminds me of the Lovie Smith era with the Bears. At some point talent has to matter.

I don't think anyone thinks Graham is the answer. Unless the question is "who is the QB least likely to be a complete disaster?" Graham is my last choice because he's the worst fit for the offense. Can't run. Can't throw deep. But the guy isn't a complete dumpster fire. Hes faced a really tough schedule. And he could still improve. Maybe..don't want to count on it. But just for reference..this is the first 230 pass attempts for Graham and another Mac QB who won a MACC recently.

126/229 55% 1371yds 14td 9int 117rating
120/225 53% 1468yds 8td 8int. 110rating

Admittedly that's not proof of anything other than I can cherry pick stats if need be.

(08-02-2017 07:53 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 07:18 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Just don't know how you guys see Graham as the answer, imo we have seen enough. There is a culture at NIU now that upperclassmen play no matter what which is a little concerning to me because it reminds me of the Lovie Smith era with the Bears. At some point talent has to matter.

I don't think anyone thinks Graham is the answer. Unless the question is "who is the QB least likely to be a complete disaster?" Graham is my last choice because he's the worst fit for the offense. Can't run. Can't throw deep. But the guy isn't a complete dumpster fire. Hes faced a really tough schedule. And he could still improve. Maybe..don't want to count on it. But just for reference..this is the first 230 pass attempts for Graham and another Mac QB who won a MACC recently.

126/229 55% 1371yds 14td 9int 117rating
120/225 53% 1468yds 8td 8int. 110rating

Admittedly that's not proof of anything other than I can cherry pick stats if need be.

Ok, I'm too lazy to solve this puzzle. Is it Lynch? If so, we're missing the stat representing Lynch's biggest talent. May as well compare me to Walter Payton in that case.

(08-02-2017 07:57 PM)Cowboy95 Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 07:53 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 07:18 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Just don't know how you guys see Graham as the answer, imo we have seen enough. There is a culture at NIU now that upperclassmen play no matter what which is a little concerning to me because it reminds me of the Lovie Smith era with the Bears. At some point talent has to matter.

I don't think anyone thinks Graham is the answer. Unless the question is "who is the QB least likely to be a complete disaster?" Graham is my last choice because he's the worst fit for the offense. Can't run. Can't throw deep. But the guy isn't a complete dumpster fire. Hes faced a really tough schedule. And he could still improve. Maybe..don't want to count on it. But just for reference..this is the first 230 pass attempts for Graham and another Mac QB who won a MACC recently.

126/229 55% 1371yds 14td 9int 117rating
120/225 53% 1468yds 8td 8int. 110rating

Admittedly that's not proof of anything other than I can cherry pick stats if need be.

Ok, I'm too lazy to solve this puzzle. Is it Lynch? If so, we're missing the stat representing Lynch's biggest talent. May as well compare me to Walter Payton in that case.

Zach Terrell. Who is somewhat Graham like physically.

(08-02-2017 08:00 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 07:57 PM)Cowboy95 Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 07:53 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 07:18 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Just don't know how you guys see Graham as the answer, imo we have seen enough. There is a culture at NIU now that upperclassmen play no matter what which is a little concerning to me because it reminds me of the Lovie Smith era with the Bears. At some point talent has to matter.

I don't think anyone thinks Graham is the answer. Unless the question is "who is the QB least likely to be a complete disaster?" Graham is my last choice because he's the worst fit for the offense. Can't run. Can't throw deep. But the guy isn't a complete dumpster fire. Hes faced a really tough schedule. And he could still improve. Maybe..don't want to count on it. But just for reference..this is the first 230 pass attempts for Graham and another Mac QB who won a MACC recently.

126/229 55% 1371yds 14td 9int 117rating
120/225 53% 1468yds 8td 8int. 110rating

Admittedly that's not proof of anything other than I can cherry pick stats if need be.

Ok, I'm too lazy to solve this puzzle. Is it Lynch? If so, we're missing the stat representing Lynch's biggest talent. May as well compare me to Walter Payton in that case.

Zach Terrell. Who is somewhat Graham like physically.

Better comp than Lynch, although I think the offense would need to be changed to fit Graham if he is the guy. I don't see that happening, so hopefully they go with Santa or Childers since they seem to be able to run a little.

(08-03-2017 08:00 AM)Cowboy95 Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 08:00 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 07:57 PM)Cowboy95 Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 07:53 PM)Rabid Squirrel Wrote:  

(08-02-2017 07:18 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  Just don't know how you guys see Graham as the answer, imo we have seen enough. There is a culture at NIU now that upperclassmen play no matter what which is a little concerning to me because it reminds me of the Lovie Smith era with the Bears. At some point talent has to matter.

I don't think anyone thinks Graham is the answer. Unless the question is "who is the QB least likely to be a complete disaster?" Graham is my last choice because he's the worst fit for the offense. Can't run. Can't throw deep. But the guy isn't a complete dumpster fire. Hes faced a really tough schedule. And he could still improve. Maybe..don't want to count on it. But just for reference..this is the first 230 pass attempts for Graham and another Mac QB who won a MACC recently.

126/229 55% 1371yds 14td 9int 117rating
120/225 53% 1468yds 8td 8int. 110rating

Admittedly that's not proof of anything other than I can cherry pick stats if need be.

Ok, I'm too lazy to solve this puzzle. Is it Lynch? If so, we're missing the stat representing Lynch's biggest talent. May as well compare me to Walter Payton in that case.

Zach Terrell. Who is somewhat Graham like physically.

Better comp than Lynch, although I think the offense would need to be changed to fit Graham if he is the guy. I don't see that happening, so hopefully they go with Santa or Childers since they seem to be able to run a little.

And Childers can at least pass too which imo is still important for a QB. NIU is said to be a run dominant team this season, but other teams will be focusing to stop that and I think it will be a tough haul for NIU to be consistent. We need a QB that can throw too which is why I hope it's Childers.

Do we really know Childers can pass? We've never seen him throw a single pass lol

(08-03-2017 12:48 PM)7 Wrote:  Do we really know Childers can pass? We've never seen him throw a single pass lol

Does this mean you are backing off on the Heisman campaign you started in your default pic?

(08-03-2017 12:48 PM)7 Wrote:  Do we really know Childers can pass? We've never seen him throw a single pass lol

He's doing the same thing he did with Tears. Remember when he called Tears the best athlete on the team before he ever played a down? Same thing happening here. I would LOVE to see Childers play and play well, but we haven't seen anything yet, so to sit here and say Carey is a joke because he won't name Childers the starter is laughable.

Plus there has been two practices and literally none of us know who the QB will be. They haven't even put on shoulder pads lol

(08-03-2017 12:51 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(08-03-2017 12:48 PM)7 Wrote:  Do we really know Childers can pass? We've never seen him throw a single pass lol

He's doing the same thing he did with Tears. Remember when he called Tears the best athlete on the team before he ever played a down? Same thing happening here. I would LOVE to see Childers play and play well, but we haven't seen anything yet, so to sit here and say Carey is a joke because he won't name Childers the starter is laughable.

I just know how Carey thinks. He hates two things, underclassmen and playmakers

(08-03-2017 12:52 PM)7 Wrote:  Plus there has been two practices and literally none of us know who the QB will be. They haven't even put on shoulder pads lol

So are you backing off on the heisman prediction. I'm just saying he should be given a chance to start you are already giving him the heisman. I'm not saying Childers is great but if you look at what he did in spring and high school film , the kid can obviously fill the role. It's more of a matter of Santa and Graham , I just can't see them as starters

(08-03-2017 12:52 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(08-03-2017 12:51 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(08-03-2017 12:48 PM)7 Wrote:  Do we really know Childers can pass? We've never seen him throw a single pass lol

He's doing the same thing he did with Tears. Remember when he called Tears the best athlete on the team before he ever played a down? Same thing happening here. I would LOVE to see Childers play and play well, but we haven't seen anything yet, so to sit here and say Carey is a joke because he won't name Childers the starter is laughable.

I just know how Carey thinks. He hates two things, underclassmen and playmakers

I'll await you posting the article with the quote of him saying this, thank you.

(08-03-2017 12:55 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(08-03-2017 12:52 PM)7 Wrote:  Plus there has been two practices and literally none of us know who the QB will be. They haven't even put on shoulder pads lol

So are you backing off on the heisman prediction. I'm just saying he should be given a chance to start you are already giving him the heisman. I'm not saying Childers is great but if you look at what he did in spring and high school film , the kid can obviously fill the role. It's more of a matter of Santa and Graham , I just can't see them as starters

You think Childers can play starting QB for NIU because he has a good high school tape? You do realize of course that Carey has said now over a dozen times that Childers has a chance to win the job. But instead, without seeing him play a down you are saying Carey is a moron for not naming him the starter. He might be our best option, but maybe lets watch him play in a real game first, jesus. Also, you clearly lack a sense of humor lol. #Childers4Hesiman

(08-03-2017 12:59 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(08-03-2017 12:55 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(08-03-2017 12:52 PM)7 Wrote:  Plus there has been two practices and literally none of us know who the QB will be. They haven't even put on shoulder pads lol

So are you backing off on the heisman prediction. I'm just saying he should be given a chance to start you are already giving him the heisman. I'm not saying Childers is great but if you look at what he did in spring and high school film , the kid can obviously fill the role. It's more of a matter of Santa and Graham , I just can't see them as starters

You think Childers can play starting QB for NIU because he has a good high school tape? You do realize of course that Carey has said now over a dozen times that Childers has a chance to win the job. But instead, without seeing him play a down you are saying Carey is a moron for not naming him the starter. He might be our best option, but maybe lets watch him play in a real game first, jesus. Also, you clearly lack a sense of humor lol. #Childers4Hesiman

Ill say one thing for Graham and Santa, they are tough as nails

(08-03-2017 12:57 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(08-03-2017 12:52 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I just know how Carey thinks. He hates two things, underclassmen and playmakers

I'll await you posting the article with the quote of him saying this, thank you.

Yeah, we never play any underclassmen. Can someone rescind MD's board privileges?

(08-03-2017 02:23 PM)armour248 Wrote:  

(08-03-2017 12:57 PM)DogPoundNorth Wrote:  

(08-03-2017 12:52 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  I just know how Carey thinks. He hates two things, underclassmen and playmakers

I'll await you posting the article with the quote of him saying this, thank you.

Yeah, we never play any underclassmen. Can someone rescind MD's board privileges?

Just meant Carey has some Lovie Smith in him. Underclassmen are behind the eight ball to begin, they can work out of it but I don't think it's a secret Carey is afraid of freshman

(08-03-2017 12:55 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(08-03-2017 12:52 PM)7 Wrote:  Plus there has been two practices and literally none of us know who the QB will be. They haven't even put on shoulder pads lol

So are you backing off on the heisman prediction. I'm just saying he should be given a chance to start you are already giving him the heisman. I'm not saying Childers is great but if you look at what he did in spring and high school film , the kid can obviously fill the role. It's more of a matter of Santa and Graham , I just can't see them as starters

Santa started 1 game and we won; So again I ask the same question, what did Santa do (or not do) in his only start to make you think that he can't be a starter?

(08-03-2017 04:32 PM)Djud Wrote:  

(08-03-2017 12:55 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  

(08-03-2017 12:52 PM)7 Wrote:  Plus there has been two practices and literally none of us know who the QB will be. They haven't even put on shoulder pads lol

So are you backing off on the heisman prediction. I'm just saying he should be given a chance to start you are already giving him the heisman. I'm not saying Childers is great but if you look at what he did in spring and high school film , the kid can obviously fill the role. It's more of a matter of Santa and Graham , I just can't see them as starters

Santa started 1 game and we won; So again I ask the same question, what did Santa do (or not do) in his only start to make you think that he can't be a starter?

This argument sucks. You can't throw out the EMU game simply because he didn't start.