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RE: Quarterback this season
(08-01-2017 11:22 PM)7 Wrote:  anybody who calls the dude none of us have ever seen play the obvious choice is a dope.

i truly don't believe it'll be Graham, but if i'm a betting man I would say 55-45 it's Santa over Childers right now.

I'll (hopefully) be at both practices this weekend.

With how shaky Santa looked, and slow to read things last year @ EMU, its a little disheartening to think he would be in the discussion. Is Childers that far behind?

I just don't trust Carey, at all. He will choose A) the upper classmen B) the player that will play it safe and not make turnovers, while at same time never making big plays. I don't think the best player is high on Carey's evaluation criteria.
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RE: Quarterback this season
(08-01-2017 11:49 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(08-01-2017 11:22 PM)7 Wrote:  anybody who calls the dude none of us have ever seen play the obvious choice is a dope.

i truly don't believe it'll be Graham, but if i'm a betting man I would say 55-45 it's Santa over Childers right now.

I'll (hopefully) be at both practices this weekend.

With how shaky Santa looked, and slow to read things last year @ EMU, its a little disheartening to think he would be in the discussion. Is Childers that far behind?

I just don't trust Carey, at all. He will choose A) the upper classmen B) the player that will play it safe and not make turnovers, while at same time never making big plays. I don't think the best player is high on Carey's evaluation criteria.

How do we/you know who the "best player" is? Santa came in to the EMU game right before half with the team down by 21. No doubt he threw poorly; but he ran for nearly 100 yards, which likely had an impact on Huff's monster game. He also made a huge pass to KG in OT which led to the winning TD. The next week he is a dropped pass away from a 300 yard game, again leading the team to victory. Why is it disheartening that he apparently had a solid practice and may be ahead of Childers? Carey and his staff must win this year; collectively, they are going with the QB that gives them the best chance. They will choose Childers over Graham and Santa if he is "the best". It's ridiculous to draw any conclisuoons on either Santa or Childers based on the limited body of work. FYI, Hall of Famer Ryne Sandburg went 1-32 to start his Cub career; somebody saw some amazing potential in spite of his horrible start.
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RE: Quarterback this season
(08-02-2017 05:51 AM)Djud Wrote:  
(08-01-2017 11:49 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(08-01-2017 11:22 PM)7 Wrote:  anybody who calls the dude none of us have ever seen play the obvious choice is a dope.

i truly don't believe it'll be Graham, but if i'm a betting man I would say 55-45 it's Santa over Childers right now.

I'll (hopefully) be at both practices this weekend.

With how shaky Santa looked, and slow to read things last year @ EMU, its a little disheartening to think he would be in the discussion. Is Childers that far behind?

I just don't trust Carey, at all. He will choose A) the upper classmen B) the player that will play it safe and not make turnovers, while at same time never making big plays. I don't think the best player is high on Carey's evaluation criteria.

How do we/you know who the "best player" is? Santa came in to the EMU game right before half with the team down by 21. No doubt he threw poorly; but he ran for nearly 100 yards, which likely had an impact on Huff's monster game. He also made a huge pass to KG in OT which led to the winning TD. The next week he is a dropped pass away from a 300 yard game, again leading the team to victory. Why is it disheartening that he apparently had a solid practice and may be ahead of Childers? Carey and his staff must win this year; collectively, they are going with the QB that gives them the best chance. They will choose Childers over Graham and Santa if he is "the best". It's ridiculous to draw any conclisuoons on either Santa or Childers based on the limited body of work. FYI, Hall of Famer Ryne Sandburg went 1-32 to start his Cub career; somebody saw some amazing potential in spite of his horrible start.

We do know Santa and Graham are not good passers. I don't think you can get by with that this year. Teams are going to be loading up to stop NIU's run. It's going to take a QB that can throw
08-02-2017 06:56 AM
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RE: Quarterback this season
(08-01-2017 11:22 PM)7 Wrote:  anybody who calls the dude none of us have ever seen play the obvious choice is a dope.

i truly don't believe it'll be Graham, but if i'm a betting man I would say 55-45 it's Santa over Childers right now.

I'll (hopefully) be at both practices this weekend.
7: looking forward to your assessment of the QB situation and the overall vibe of the team. Listening to some of the media reports, you get a sense there's more energy and drive this year. Bobby Jones seems to be standing out as the vocal leader this year.

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(08-02-2017 06:56 AM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(08-02-2017 05:51 AM)Djud Wrote:  
(08-01-2017 11:49 PM)MaddDawgz02 Wrote:  
(08-01-2017 11:22 PM)7 Wrote:  anybody who calls the dude none of us have ever seen play the obvious choice is a dope.

i truly don't believe it'll be Graham, but if i'm a betting man I would say 55-45 it's Santa over Childers right now.

I'll (hopefully) be at both practices this weekend.

With how shaky Santa looked, and slow to read things last year @ EMU, its a little disheartening to think he would be in the discussion. Is Childers that far behind?

I just don't trust Carey, at all. He will choose A) the upper classmen B) the player that will play it safe and not make turnovers, while at same time never making big plays. I don't think the best player is high on Carey's evaluation criteria.

How do we/you know who the "best player" is? Santa came in to the EMU game right before half with the team down by 21. No doubt he threw poorly; but he ran for nearly 100 yards, which likely had an impact on Huff's monster game. He also made a huge pass to KG in OT which led to the winning TD. The next week he is a dropped pass away from a 300 yard game, again leading the team to victory. Why is it disheartening that he apparently had a solid practice and may be ahead of Childers? Carey and his staff must win this year; collectively, they are going with the QB that gives them the best chance. They will choose Childers over Graham and Santa if he is "the best". It's ridiculous to draw any conclisuoons on either Santa or Childers based on the limited body of work. FYI, Hall of Famer Ryne Sandburg went 1-32 to start his Cub career; somebody saw some amazing potential in spite of his horrible start.

We do know Santa and Graham are not good passers. I don't think you can get by with that this year. Teams are going to be loading up to stop NIU's run. It's going to take a QB that can throw

In his only full game/start Santa is 13-23 for 258 yards; and has a perfectly thrown 50 yard pass that was dropped; so what did he do (or didn't do) that leads you to the conclusion that he can't throw?
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08-02-2017 07:26 AM
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Djud - his 1st game was so horrible it was hard to watch. KG to me will be remembered most for looking at balls thrown 10 yards short. He looked HORRIBLE as a passer last year.
08-02-2017 09:12 AM
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(08-02-2017 09:12 AM)NIU05 Wrote:  Djud - his 1st game was so horrible it was hard to watch. KG to me will be remembered most for looking at balls thrown 10 yards short. He looked HORRIBLE as a passer last year.

Obviously that's not the case or he wouldn't be in the discussion. Lynch was 6/16 (38%) and a rating of 65 his first start. Graham was 9/12 with a rating of 194 his first real action. We know how they turned out. To judge a QB by his first ever college action seems like a bad idea to me.
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(08-02-2017 09:12 AM)NIU05 Wrote:  Djud - his 1st game was so horrible it was hard to watch. KG to me will be remembered most for looking at balls thrown 10 yards short. He looked HORRIBLE as a passer last year.

That is indisputable, so we should conclude he sucks and can't throw based on one half in his 1st game as a freshman?; my question was based on his first complete game.
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It's hard to play as bad as Santa did in that first game in this offense.
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Graham has all that experience and he is still bad. He's bad at even the short passing game. If it weren't for KG last season our QBs (except Maddie) would have looked even worse.
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